2017 trade hypothetical thread

[Capt Hindsight]

Not it wouldn't.

Please provide examples where an out of contract key backman has commanded more than a top 10 draft pick?

 

[Jell]

Straight swap for Pick 8 would get it done.

If Jacob Weitering wanted out of Carlton and someone offered pick 8, I'd tell them they're dreaming, and Lever has more runs on the board than Weiters at this stage.

 

[Jell]

Please provide examples where an out of contract key backman has commanded more than a top 10 draft pick?

Name the last time a 21 year old key defender who was already considered one of the best in the league, requested a trade??

Can't compare situations that haven't occurred before. Apparently he's being offered close to $1mil a season. If his financial value is that high, surely his trade value should match that.

 

[Dom PC]

I think a top 10 pick for Lever is getting close to the mark... maybe a if it was a late top 10 pick, then add a 2nd rd pick.

So say pick 8 and a mid 20s pick and that seems close fair to me.

Trying to imagine Harris Andrews leaving... I'd probably be asking for a top 5 pick. So I'd say Lever is worth around that mark too.

 

[Capt Hindsight]

Name the last time a 21 year old key defender who was already considered one of the best in the league, requested a trade??

Can't compare situations that haven't occurred before. Apparently he's being offered close to $1mil a season. If his financial value is that high, surely his trade value should match that.

Defenders are undervalued at the trade table based on history. Adelaide and their fans would feel hard done by in just getting a top 10 pick but i can't see them forcing Lever into the draft over it. The money side of things too hard to say as you never get an accurate figure, just speculation. I'm assuming he would be getting offered something around 750-800k, especially from a club like the bulldogs that already have a few players on big dollars.

 

[Sector 7G]

Please provide examples where an out of contract key backman has commanded more than a top 10 draft pick?

Jake Carlisle (minor picks when back the other way through a now closed loophole). He was older , less talented, a flog and had sanctions hanging over his head.

 

[Cleric]

Straight swap for Pick 8 would get it done.

Lol

 

[Cleric]

I think a top 10 pick for Lever is getting close to the mark... maybe a if it was a late top 10 pick, then add a 2nd rd pick.

So say pick 8 and a mid 20s pick and that seems close fair to me.

Trying to imagine Harris Andrews leaving... I'd probably be asking for a top 5 pick. So I'd say Lever is worth around that mark too.

No, try and imagine Hipwood leaving, because I would take him in a heart beat for a mid first and second round pick. Pretty sure Brisbane wouldnt acceot that tho.

 

[Cleric]

Defenders are undervalued at the trade table based on history. Adelaide and their fans would feel hard done by in just getting a top 10 pick but i can't see them forcing Lever into the draft over it. The money side of things too hard to say as you never get an accurate figure, just speculation. I'm assuming he would be getting offered something around 750-800k, especially from a club like the bulldogs that already have a few players on big dollars.

He is being offered 850-900 per year for contract up to 7 years.

 

[Capt Hindsight]

Jake Carlisle (minor picks when back the other way through a now closed loophole). He was older , less talented, a flog and had sanctions hanging over his head.

Carlisle trade ins and outs for saints was pick 5 and pick 24 for Carlisle and pick 14. So they paid less than pick 5 as there pick 24 was upgraded to pick 14. Therefore not more than a top 10 pick.

 

[bungalow_bill]

If he nominates the dogs the crows may not get what he is worth. Depends if Lever is happy to stay at the crows if they aren't offered a fair trade

 

[Sector 7G]

Carlisle trade ins and outs for saints was pick 5 and pick 24 for Carlisle and pick 14. So they paid less than pick 5 as there pick 24 was upgraded to pick 14. Therefore not more than a top 10 pick.

Technically valued at pick 9 by AFL draft pick calculator.

 

[19thcrow]

Based on current ladder positions and rumours about the Dogs being into Lever, Carlton into Kelly and obviously Adelaide into Gibbs, hypothetical 3 way trade:

GIBBS > ADEL
LEVER > WB
KELLY > CAR
PICK 8 (WB) > ADEL > CARL > GWS
PICK 25 (WB) > ADEL
PICK 52 (ADEL) > WB
PICK 3 (CARL) > GWS
PICK 21 (GWS via COLL) > CARL

Summary:

CARLTON
IN: Kelly, Pick 21
OUT: Gibbs, Pick 3

GWS:
IN: Pick 3, Pick 8
OUT: Kelly, Pick 21

ADELAIDE:
IN: Gibbs, Pick 25
OUT: Lever, Pick 52

WB:
IN: Lever, Pick 52
OUT: Pick 8, Pick 25

Suddenly Gibbs is worth pick 21?
Gws wouldn't need to add pick 21 and Carlton would need to pay more then a 29yo Gibbs and pick 3 for Kelly. Crows and WB won't need to help Carlton get Kelly. I would hope Crows would trade pick 8 for someone better than Gibbs too. Crows trade out Lever for Gibbs and a 27 pick upgrade lol. Carlton didn't do crows any favors last trade period why would we assist you getting Kelly now.

 

[Dom PC]

No, try and imagine Hipwood leaving, because I would take him in a heart beat for a mid first and second round pick. Pretty sure Brisbane wouldnt acceot that tho.

Not rating Andrews huh... i would have him on par if not better than Lever.

If Andrews left i would want a top 5 pick which is what I think Lever would be worth. Say pick 8 and 25 was offered, i think that is close to the mark. Certainly wouldn't be happy with that, but it is close.

I suppose it depends on the draft depth.

 

[Prochard123]

Apart from Cleric I think we can all agree that our first round pick is enough for Lever.

Pick 3 for uncontracted Lever straight swap.

Although wouldnt adelaide prefer an established player instead as they are in premiership window

 

[Cleric]

Not rating Andrews huh... i would have him on par if not better than Lever.

If Andrews left i would want a top 5 pick which is what I think Lever would be worth. Say pick 8 and 25 was offered, i think that is close to the mark. Certainly wouldn't be happy with that, but it is close.

I suppose it depends on the draft depth.

No, Lever is Hipwood quality. What can we have him for? Pick 8?

 

[Cleric]

Apart from Cleric I think we can all agree that our first round pick is enough for Lever.

Pick 3 for uncontracted Lever straight swap.

Although wouldnt adelaide prefer an established player instead as they are in premiership window

Its not me you have to convince. Im pretty sure after getting smashed by supporters over being to soft at the trade table the Crows are gonna go hard on this one.

 

[Carlos Danger]

No, Lever is Hipwood quality. What can we have him for? Pick 8?

You are comparing a back with a forward. Forwards get paid more, they get traded for more that's just the way it is.

Pick 3 or pick 8 & 2nd round are not far off the mark. He is uncontracted so you can't dig in too much.

But don't worry too much, there's plenty of talk around that he's staying.
McGovern is another story though

 

[Cleric]

You are comparing a back with a forward. Forwards get paid more, they get traded for more that's just the way it is.

Pick 3 or pick 8 & 2nd round are not far off the mark. He is uncontracted so you can't dig in too much.

But don't worry too much, there's plenty of talk around that he's staying.
McGovern is another story though

Comparing one of the best young backs around, said by many to be the next Rance to one of the best young forwards going around. And top quality KPDs do high in the draft, such as Weitering at pick 1, and Lever is as good as him.

 

[citizen-erased]

You are comparing a back with a forward. Forwards get paid more, they get traded for more that's just the way it is.

Pick 3 or pick 8 & 2nd round are not far off the mark. He is uncontracted so you can't dig in too much.

But don't worry too much, there's plenty of talk around that he's staying.
McGovern is another story though

our highest paid player is our CHB (I'm pretty sure).
There are defenders on good coin.

 

[Yoda_]

As an Essendon supporter, would love for a couple of trades to eventuate.

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Trade 1
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Western Bulldogs gain; Essendon 3rd Round Pick (currently - pick 44)
Essendon gain; Lukas Webb (21 y.o, 187cm, 85kg, Inside leaning Midfielder)


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Trade 2
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Fremantle gain; Essendon 4th Round Pick (currently 62)
Essendon gain; Harley Balic (20 y.o, 187cm, 82kg, Inside leaning Midfielder)


Would leave us light on with picks (currently picks 9, 26, 81, 99)

 

[citizen-erased]

As an Essendon supporter, would love for a couple of trades to eventuate.

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Trade 1
----------
Western Bulldogs gain; Essendon 3rd Round Pick (currently - pick 44)
Essendon gain; Lukas Webb (21 y.o, 187cm, 85kg, Inside leaning Midfielder)


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Trade 2
---------

Fremantle gain; Essendon 4th Round Pick (currently 62)
Essendon gain; Harley Balic (20 y.o, 187cm, 82kg, Inside leaning Midfielder)


Would leave us light on with picks (currently picks 9, 26, 81, 99)

i think one would do us.
Laverde, Begley, Mutch, Clark, Howlett - all possible additions to our inside midfield.
And Zaka has been good getting closer to the action.

I like the cheaper option of Balic. But i was also quite keen on him in his draft year and think we erred going both Redman & Morgan and not getting one of Balic or Mathieson.

Would also depend on the draft strategy and if we have an inside mid or 2 on the radar for the early picks, we may not look to Balic/Webb types.

I still like Wigg. Quick winger/HBF with a very good boot.
A good one to play off the opposite wing to Parish.

 

[citizen-erased]

Carlisle trade ins and outs for saints was pick 5 and pick 24 for Carlisle and pick 14. So they paid less than pick 5 as there pick 24 was upgraded to pick 14. Therefore not more than a top 10 pick.

at some point, the Saints owe the Swans something for that.
Pretty sure Bird was part of the deal too

We got 5, 24 & Bird
Saints got Carlisle and 14
Swans got pick 23 & 44

Does not add for sydney to me.

 

[Taylor]

Didn't they get to use the picks to buy their #3 draft pick?

 

[citizen-erased]

Didn't they get to use the picks to buy their #3 draft pick?

might be right there.