List Mgmt. 2018 Draft, Free Agency & Trade Hypotheticals thread, Part II: Nothing happened!

[replicant]

Collingwood yet to sign Brody Mihocek. Their cap must be squeezed, we should offer him whatever we offered Langdon, and then shift Reid back. Was really impressed with Mihocek this season.

 

[The King!]

I don't want trade period excitement. I want the best list decisions being made.

We shed two big contracts, Hannebery and Rohan, neither player has been justifying their salary.

If we had signed Scully I would be as dubious as I am about Hawthorn signing him. If it works out, great, but it would have been a strange decision for us to off-load Hannebery to then bring in Scully - it would have been back to square one with a massive contract on a player whose best is as good as there is but whose injury situation meant that you had to doubt they would ever rise to that level again.

Agree with point 1, that’s very fair do what’s best

If Rohan was on a big contract we are pretty incompetent but yes good to rid ourselves of those

It does depend on the Scully contract I had heard it’s not much, he was a front ended player, that’s reasonable though,

At the end of the day I think we need to do more to make the list competitive, I’m not as optimistic on the growth the current list has left, maybe we even needed to blow it up and shred more, but who knows

 

[SSwans2011]

It was more that others (not saying you) say how we are bringing all these injured players back including sam

There is way more evidence that Scully can play footy than Reid in terms of getting on the park


That’s all, anyone who thinks hawthorn hasn’t improved their list must not watch a lot of opposition footy which is fine.

Turning a piece of crap like dureya into Scully essentially, as if that’s not a good move

I agree with some it sucks it seems easier for Vic clubs ,but that’s the cards we have,

The thing is, though, we have no evidence at this stage that Scully will be back to his best if he even regularly gets back on the park. I might be wrong, but I read he requires another operation? That's a lot of stress on his ankle and a very interrupted pre-season. Can't be good for someone whose football relies on their running ability.

Anyway, there's no real point commenting on it until we see whether or not it's a success, but I can quite safely say that I wouldn't have been too keen to cough up the extra cash we likely would have needed to to keep him in Sydney if the messages coming out of GWS are true.

Collingwood yet to sign Brody Mihocek. Their cap must be squeezed, we should offer him whatever we offered Langdon, and then shift Reid to full back. Was really impressed with Mihocek this season.

What evidence is there to suggest Reid can play full back? Every time he's thrown back there he plays as the spare.

 

[Churches]

Collingwood yet to sign Brody Mihocek. Their cap must be squeezed, we should offer him whatever we offered Langdon, and then shift Reid back. Was really impressed with Mihocek this season.

Brody Mihocek is a gun aswell.

 

[TheMase]

The mistake was keeping Tippett and extending him , getting him made sense at the time

I think that was a clause in his original contract that triggered the option for an extension. Clearly that clause or the criteria of it that was the mistake.

 

[Kapanis]

Collingwood yet to sign Brody Mihocek. Their cap must be squeezed, we should offer him whatever we offered Langdon, and then shift Reid back. Was really impressed with Mihocek this season.

Yes to Mihocek.

 

[Churches]

Question:

If we still had the COLA, how different do you think our team would look/this year's trade period?

 

[replicant]

What evidence is there to suggest Reid can play full back? Every time he's thrown back there he plays as the spare.

Well, he's tall, he can catch a ball, but his kicking is suspect.

So he has all the attributes of a full back.

 

[SSwans2011]

Well, he's tall, he can catch a ball, but his kicking is suspect.

So he has all the attributes of a full back.

True. Jonathan Brown and Fraser Gehrig had all those traits too. Do you think they could have played full back?

I just think it's time to give up on the idea that Reid will ever become a full back. Hopefully we'll get to a stage where he rarely even ends up in the back half, ever.

 

[brad cooper]

It was more that others (not saying you) say how we are bringing all these injured players back including sam

There is way more evidence that Scully can play footy than Reid in terms of getting on the park


That’s all, anyone who thinks hawthorn hasn’t improved their list must not watch a lot of opposition footy which is fine.

Turning a piece of crap like dureya into Scully essentially, as if that’s not a good move

I agree with some it sucks it seems easier for Vic clubs ,but that’s the cards we have,

Other than running what does scully exactly offer? He's average at best. Glad swans didn't get him.

 

[TheMase]

Well, he's tall, he can catch a ball, but his kicking is suspect.

So he has all the attributes of a full back.

His kicking is fine.
Accuracy %
2014 - 65%
2015 - 55%
2017 - 64%

Buddy
2016 - 60%
2017 - 53%
2018 - 57%

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Question:

If we still had the COLA, how different do you think our team would look/this year's trade period?

None cause the 9.8% only applied to a player contract and was ticked off by the AFL, also if Langdon didn't move for 600k whats another 10% on top of that gonna do?

 

[Punts]

His kicking is fine.
Accuracy %
2014 - 65%
2015 - 55%
2017 - 64%

Buddy
2016 - 60%
2017 - 53%
2018 - 57%

Reid field kicking as good as buds?

 

[Churches]

None cause the 9.8% only applied to a player contract and was ticked off by the AFL, also if Langdon didn't move for 600k whats another 10% on top of that gonna do?

Very true, I guess it was more the 2-year trade ban that affected it.

But also 9.8% is not bad... Assuming you're on 500k, you do get a little extra. But

 

[SilentHunter_]

Really?

We shed some big contracts that we didn't want to pay. We improved out points/picks situation to bid on Blakey this season and have a better hand next season. We brought in a player that we rated as a junior and have been following ever since who seems to have been played out of position by his former club and could prove to be an astute signing. We haven't committed significant amounts of our salary cap to players under serious injury clouds (actually, as per my first point we did the opposite). We retained our reigning B&F winner, we retained our excited CHB prospect, both of whom were apparently certain to leave us if you believed what you read. We extended contracts on a number of the young stars that we have drafted in the last couple of seasons.

That's the worse that this off-season could have goen so far?

Who is the exciting CHB prospect?

 

[Punts]

So when Horse said buddy needs help upfront did he mean Naismith coming back and Sinclair playing FF because we haven’t addressed that one of many issues?

Reid is cooked imo so if buddy doesn’t get help his body won’t hold up imo

 

[Wolfgang West]

Collingwood yet to sign Brody Mihocek. Their cap must be squeezed, we should offer him whatever we offered Langdon, and then shift Reid back. Was really impressed with Mihocek this season.

Back where ? The medical room ? Don't worry he won't step foot outside it.

 

[azzzr]

Who is the exciting CHB prospect?

shandi

 

[RobbieK]

Agree with point 1, that’s very fair do what’s best

If Rohan was on a big contract we are pretty incompetent but yes good to rid ourselves of those

It does depend on the Scully contract I had heard it’s not much, he was a front ended player, that’s reasonable though,

At the end of the day I think we need to do more to make the list competitive, I’m not as optimistic on the growth the current list has left, maybe we even needed to blow it up and shred more, but who knows

Clearly you and the football department have a different opinion on where our list is at. I think it is pretty obvious I'm more inclined to side with our football department on this one and believe that the fundamentals of our list are sound, that there is reason to have faith in the ability of this list to improve on the performances of last season and that rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater we need to take a more incremental approach to change.

That's not to say that I agree with everything the club does blindly. I was surprised by some of the retained veterans this year, for instance. I wonder if we had not offered Grundy an extra year would we have been able to bring in Moore? Maybe it would have pushed Grundy out a little earlier than we necessarily had to, but in doing so we would have replaced him with someone who is going to be on the list for 8 or 9 more seasons rather than realistically only one more season.

But I do think we have a great young list of players. I think there are good signs all over the ground - in defence with Alliir, Melican, Lloyd and Jones, in the midfield with Heeney, Mills, Florent and Hewett, in the forward line with Ronke, McCartin, Hayward and Papley. It is not unreaslistic to think that all of those players will be better for another year of development. Blakey is about to join us and he looks to be a very good prospect to add to that list. These are guys that we are going to build a team around for the best part of the next decade.

We showed this year that we can match it with the best. We beat West Coast twice, we beat Collingwood. What we didn't do was show up consistently all season and when we were off we were really terrible. If you only look at that bad games then sure, it makes sense to feel that we need to make wholesale changes to the team, to the way we play, to the list of players. But I choose to look at the good and the bad, and I think that is the view internally as well. We know what this team is capable of, we know it is competitive with the very best, we just need to make smaller changes to ensure that we don't have such a gap between our best and our worst performances. I think a lot of that will come from the natural progression of younger players, and I am happy that the club has been focused on extending the contracts of the players we already have on the list.

I would like to have seen us bring in a player using the money freed up by the Hannebery trade. I think we could do with some more inside midfield power. I'm sure the club was looking into it, and maybe it is just the case that the right target wasn't available this season. I would rather the club wait until next year to use the money then to feel like they need to spend it now on a player that isn't the right match. Next year I expect we have a couple of big retirements (McVeigh, Grundy, Smith and Jack potentially). There is no Blakey to pick either next season. That should put us in the box seat to be making bigger plays at established A grade players. I imagine we are already lining up our targets.

I think most teams in the league would be envious of the group of young players we have coming through the ranks. It isn't the kind of list I think we should be blowing up. We might need to be a bit patient with it for a year or so as it matures and is able to be more consistent in its output, and we will no doubt need to be more active next year in regenerating the list, but I see things heading in the right direction. Is that optimistic? I guess. I don't think it is too unrealistic, though.

 

[Deccas]

Who is the exciting CHB prospect?

Aliir

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[SilentHunter_]

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oh right.

 

[The King!]

Clearly you and the football department have a different opinion on where our list is at. I think it is pretty obvious I'm more inclined to side with our football department on this one and believe that the fundamentals of our list are sound, that there is reason to have faith in the ability of this list to improve on the performances of last season and that rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater we need to take a more incremental approach to change.

That's not to say that I agree with everything the club does blindly. I was surprised by some of the retained veterans this year, for instance. I wonder if we had not offered Grundy an extra year would we have been able to bring in Moore? Maybe it would have pushed Grundy out a little earlier than we necessarily had to, but in doing so we would have replaced him with someone who is going to be on the list for 8 or 9 more seasons rather than realistically only one more season.

But I do think we have a great young list of players. I think there are good signs all over the ground - in defence with Alliir, Melican, Lloyd and Jones, in the midfield with Heeney, Mills, Florent and Hewett, in the forward line with Ronke, McCartin, Hayward and Papley. It is not unreaslistic to think that all of those players will be better for another year of development. Blakey is about to join us and he looks to be a very good prospect to add to that list. These are guys that we are going to build a team around for the best part of the next decade.

We showed this year that we can match it with the best. We beat West Coast twice, we beat Collingwood. What we didn't do was show up consistently all season and when we were off we were really terrible. If you only look at that bad games then sure, it makes sense to feel that we need to make wholesale changes to the team, to the way we play, to the list of players. But I choose to look at the good and the bad, and I think that is the view internally as well. We know what this team is capable of, we know it is competitive with the very best, we just need to make smaller changes to ensure that we don't have such a gap between our best and our worst performances. I think a lot of that will come from the natural progression of younger players, and I am happy that the club has been focused on extending the contracts of the players we already have on the list.

I would like to have seen us bring in a player using the money freed up by the Hannebery trade. I think we could do with some more inside midfield power. I'm sure the club was looking into it, and maybe it is just the case that the right target wasn't available this season. I would rather the club wait until next year to use the money then to feel like they need to spend it now on a player that isn't the right match. Next year I expect we have a couple of big retirements (McVeigh, Grundy, Smith and Jack potentially). There is no Blakey to pick either next season. That should put us in the box seat to be making bigger plays at established A grade players. I imagine we are already lining up our targets.

I think most teams in the league would be envious of the group of young players we have coming through the ranks. It isn't the kind of list I think we should be blowing up. We might need to be a bit patient with it for a year or so as it matures and is able to be more consistent in its output, and we will no doubt need to be more active next year in regenerating the list, but I see things heading in the right direction. Is that optimistic? I guess. I don't think it is too unrealistic, though.

Good post, don’t agree with it all entirely I think we needed to be more bold, maybe even trade a kid etc, but then we aren’t in the trade rooms and discussions]
Was a bit frustrating we seem to publically target some people and it fell through

2019 will be interesting that’s for sure

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

So when Horse said buddy needs help upfront did he mean Naismith coming back and Sinclair playing FF because we haven’t addressed that one of many issues?

Reid is cooked imo so if buddy doesn’t get help his body won’t hold up imo

Step up Pink.

 

[TheMase]

Reid field kicking as good as buds?

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?

Buddy is an exceptional field kick, Reid is a pretty good field kick too.

I have not compared him TO Buddy. I commented on a forwards goal kicking accuracy and used Buddy as an example that Reid’s goal kicking is acceptable.

But since you put words in my mouth, let’s look at Buddy’s and Reid’s disposal efficiency.

Reid
2014 - 73%
2015 - 75%
2017 - 73%
Even 75% in his only game this year

Buddy
2016 - 65%
2017 - 62%
2018 - 60%

Buddy is a far superior player and has far more impact on the contest than Reid. But that doesn’t mean Reid doesn’t do good things when he is on the park and when he gets the ball.

 

[SilentHunter_]

I just don't see how we have improved as a team? I mean we have clear concerns in the air, leg speed and accurate disposal by foot... And we are satisfied that Blakey and Clarke are good enough to address these issues? Grundy and McVeigh are very close to the end too.

We have lost two of the finest mids in the competition over a period of two years... Who have we replaced them with? Mills and Heeney I suppose?