2018 Draft thread

[Nunez]

Have fun guys, I’ll be back in 3 weeks.
Off to Vietnam.

Looking forward to your Scout report on Vietnamese footballers

 

[jackess]

Really can't see the point with picking a KPP if we are in desperate need of more quality midfielders and there is a bloke with leadership qualities, a balanced inside/outside game and is one of the most highly rated mids in the past few years available.

My argument would be that gun KPPs are mostly taken in the first round while decent midfielders can still be drafted later on.

 

[werdna78]

If we end up with pick 1, I think we take Lukosius. Otherwise try to get 2 picks in the top 15 and take 2 midfielders.

 

[chopperduck]

Can not see us taking a tall with our first pick. No Matter how good they are, we have some great tall talent already. What we need is midfield talent, and being able to get the best mid in the draft is exactly what we need. You can find some value in midfielders later in the draft, but the elite ones are at the pointy end.

 

[Nunez]

Can not see us taking a tall with our first pick. No Matter how good they are, we have some great tall talent already. What we need is midfield talent, and being able to get the best mid in the draft is exactly what we need. You can find some value in midfielders later in the draft, but the elite ones are at the pointy end.

Lukocius would have to be the next Gablett Sr or Franklin, a great leader and keen to play for us in order to give him any consideration and even then we may just say **** it and back two of McStay, Hipwood, Ballenden, Wooller and Skinner to make it as KPFs long term. Not to mention Tozer next year and McFayden who plays as a forward his year.

 

[jackess]

A midfielder is easier to find than a gun key forward. Look how long it's taken us to replace Browny and we're still struggling.

 

[briztoon]

Can not see us taking a tall with our first pick. No Matter how good they are, we have some great tall talent already. What we need is midfield talent, and being able to get the best mid in the draft is exactly what we need. You can find some value in midfielders later in the draft, but the elite ones are at the pointy end.

My only concerns with Walsh is that he is more of an outside player when we desperately need a class inside mid, and that he needs to work on his kicking decision making.

 

[jjami15]

My only concerns with Walsh is that he is more of an outside player when we desperately need a class inside mid, and that he needs to work on his kicking decision making.

You are correct but if he is as highly rated as he is then you take him there. I actually think that there a number of inside types that we can target at our second pick. Glad to see Vietnam has Internet.

 

[briztoon]

You are correct but if he is as highly rated as he is then you take him there. I actually think that there a number of inside types that we can target at our second pick. Glad to see Vietnam has Internet.

lol, piggybacking on mother in laws wifi while having breakfast and watching my mother in law cut my fiancé’s hair.

 

[POBT]

Lukosius looks like projecting as a tall wingman at senior level to me. I could even see him in that important third tall defender role with the way he reads the footy. Either way, I think he'll help the way sides move the footy, rather than taking big marks inside 50.

If I was looking for the centrepiece of my forward line for the next 15 years, I'm not sure I'd be completely convinced that Lukosius is the man.

 

[jackess]

Lukosius looks like projecting as a tall wingman at senior level to me. I could even see him in that important third tall defender role with the way he reads the footy. Either way, I think he'll help the way sides move the footy, rather than taking big marks inside 50.

If I was looking for the centrepiece of my forward line for the next 15 years, I'm not sure I'd be completely convinced that Lukosius is the man.

I think you question it with most young key forwards. The mobile ones like Hipwood and Curnow look like flankers or second talls when the big ones like Schache, McKay, Boyd, Patton, etc. look to slow to really dominate as a forward. It's very difficult to know if they'll learn how to use their body like Darling, Lynch and Hogan eventually did.

He knows how to lead and he's quick enough to worry most defenders. Deeper in the forward line he might play like Josh Kennedy.

 

[M Malice]

Lukosius is not your traditional tall forward, nowhere near the type of recent draftees Schache, Boyd, Patton, McCartin. Lukosius is a running machine ah la Nick Reiwoldt with elite around the ground kicking skills. At this stage I don't think any club with pick 1 will be passing on him.

 

[POBT]

Lukosius is not your traditional tall forward, nowhere near the type of recent draftees Schache, Boyd, Patton, McCartin. Lukosius is a running machine ah la Nick Reiwoldt with elite around the ground kicking skills. At this stage I don't think any club with pick 1 will be passing on him.

How many Nick Riewoldt type key forwards are there in the comp these days though? I’d argue he’d be a wingman these days. Or he'd play as a Tom Lynch (Adl) link up type. Riewoldt pretty much ended his career playing those sort of roles.

The days of a key forward “working over his opponent” seem to be gone. Zone defence now prevails and teams simply guard the space rather than the man. A defender who can’t keep up with his opponent simply transfers responsibility to the next man in the zone.

If I’m looking for a key forward these days, I want contested marking, agility, speed and the ability to contribute when the footy hits the deck. Endurance is important but that’s the case for every player now. A tall forward who relies on endurance to beat his man will look great at lower levels but it just doesn't seem to be as big a competitive advantage at senior level.

I think Lukosius will be a superstar. He looks to me to be the best player in the draft. What I see from Lukosius (based on limited viewing admittedly) is the ability to will himself to the footy through superior workrate and an unbelievable game sense. He then overlays that with lovely skills, particularly by foot. Everything I've described says he'd be perfect on a wing. I reckon he looks like a taller, better version of Lachie Whitfield rather than the next dominant key forward in the comp.

The reason I say this is because I don't reckon we should overlook Lukosius because we think we don't need a tall forward. It looks to me like he could play 4 or 5 roles to an elite standard and, to repeat, I'm not convinced key forward is necessarily his best bet.

 

[jackess]

Is there any evidence that Lukosuis relies on endurance to beat his opponent?

I'd say his performance at SANFL level shows he has tricks.

Also I'm not sure how you'd judge a juniors contested marking ability.

 

[M Malice]

How many Nick Riewoldt type key forwards are there in the comp these days though? I’d argue he’d be a wingman these days. Or he'd play as a Tom Lynch (Adl) link up type. Riewoldt pretty much ended his career playing those sort of roles.

The days of a key forward “working over his opponent” seem to be gone. Zone defence now prevails and teams simply guard the space rather than the man. A defender who can’t keep up with his opponent simply transfers responsibility to the next man in the zone.

If I’m looking for a key forward these days, I want contested marking, agility, speed and the ability to contribute when the footy hits the deck. Endurance is important but that’s the case for every player now. A tall forward who relies on endurance to beat his man will look great at lower levels but it just doesn't seem to be as big a competitive advantage at senior level.

I think Lukosius will be a superstar. He looks to me to be the best player in the draft. What I see from Lukosius (based on limited viewing admittedly) is the ability to will himself to the footy through superior workrate and an unbelievable game sense. He then overlays that with lovely skills, particularly by foot. Everything I've described says he'd be perfect on a wing. I reckon he looks like a taller, better version of Lachie Whitfield rather than the next dominant key forward in the comp.

The reason I say this is because I don't reckon we should overlook Lukosius because we think we don't need a tall forward. It looks to me like he could play 4 or 5 roles to an elite standard and, to repeat, I'm not convinced key forward is necessarily his best bet.

I agree, I probably didn't explain myself adequately in my post, I highlighted his running capacity because I think he can rotate all over the ground. IIRC it was Matthew Richardson who played a wing type role late in his career, so I'm thinking something similar to that only even more expansive, he could even play as a big bodied mid as well, he is not that much taller than Patrick Cripps or Marcus Bontempelli.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Perhaps he could be a Hogan type forward who doubles as a mid fielder

 

[KissKiss]

I would also still consider what the look of the game committee (or what ever they are called) recommends at the end of the year (October?). Still think that lowering the interchange will be high on their agenda. If so guys like Lukosius become more valuable again

 

[cotter101]

I would also still consider what the look of the game committee (or what ever they are called) recommends at the end of the year (October?). Still think that lowering the interchange will be high on their agenda. If so guys like Lukosius become more valuable again

Yeah. Soon enough, there won’t be an interchange. I think it’ll come down to 45 rotations at the end of this year as we progress to opening the game up more.

 

[Dom PC]

Yeah. Soon enough, there won’t be an interchange. I think it’ll come down to 45 rotations at the end of this year as we progress to opening the game up more.

Please tell me you have a source Cotter?

Would love it to go down that much so quickly.

 

[KissKiss]

Please tell me you have a source Cotter?

Would love it to go down that much so quickly.

Not sure there is a source but a lot of the recent talk down here about that committee has been suggesting rapid reductions to the interchange (even down to just substitutions). It fits very much with their remit of not changing the fundamental rules of the game

 

[cotter101]

Please tell me you have a source Cotter?

Would love it to go down that much so quickly.

No source. Committee won’t decide on anything until end of year.

 

[M Malice]

Yeah. Soon enough, there won’t be an interchange. I think it’ll come down to 45 rotations at the end of this year as we progress to opening the game up more.

I'm all for a drastic reduction in the number or interchanges although it would probably mean the end of Rhys Matheison's career.

 

[jackess]

I'm all for a drastic reduction in the number or interchanges although it would probably mean the end of Rhys Matheison's career.

I think he'd struggle anyway

 

[Hanley]

Not sure we are a lock for top 3 prospect at all . We beat Carlton and St Kilda at Gabba in my opinion and probably beat Gold Coast there . That could put us in line for pick 4 then suns get compo pick when lunch leaves pushing us back to pick 5 . If I was suns I’d be drafting both those king twins back to back with picks

I was thinking this last thought earlier in the week listening to the Northern Exposure podcast talk about GC. The King twins would be great for marketing and softening the Lynch bitter pill. Not that anyone asked but I can see Carlton talking Lukosius first, then we take Walsh, GC get 3 and 4 for the Kings and the Saints win a couple late and end up with Smith at 5.

 

[briztoon]

I was thinking this last thought earlier in the week listening to the Northern Exposure podcast talk about GC. The King twins would be great for marketing and softening the Lynch bitter pill. Not that anyone asked but I can see Carlton talking Lukosius first, then we take Walsh, GC get 3 and 4 for the Kings and the Saints win a couple late and end up with Smith at 5.

GC fans really don’t one, let alone both King twins.