List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Watch - Depth Chart In OP

[Muddiemoose]

Because short is a half back flanker and surprise surprise, stepped up as a half back flank. Neither baker not markov are genuine midfielders, which is the area where we decided to trade away our depth without replacements.

Well technically Short was recruited as a Small Foward and even played his first sr games with us in that role

Just because a player is recruited as position x or y dosent mean they will play in that position furthermore just because a player has played a certain position in the past dosent mean they can’t be positioned elsewhere

K-mac played in the middle when he was playing vfl this year and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he trained with the mids during the pre season

 

[cairo tiger]

That’s a guess. Someone always slides

need a plan b and c. having said that higgo came to us like a gift from allah

 

[Mr Magic]

If Gold Coast won't use picks 24 and 29 in the draft, we could do a pick swap

2019 1st and 2019 2nd for GC 2019 2nd, 24 and 29

2018 17, 24, 29, 37, low 50s
2019 GC 2nd, GC 3rd, 4th, 5th...

You have to remember picks 24 and 29 are not really 24 and 29 when factoring matching father son and academy picks. Really our 2019 1st is too much to give.

It really depends on projected RFA compo and father son academy picks in 2019 apart from overall quality and depth of 2019 draft which would be incredibly difficult.

Our second rounder this year just is not worth as much because of father son and academy picks falling before it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Yer I guess we won’t really know if our depth has taken a hit until we see how well our new recruits perform in 2019. The mature players we bring in might be an upgrade on Lloyd, Miles and CEllis, that’s a call we’ll make in 12 months time.

As long as we can get through 2019 OK I'd hope that our depth will increase and 2018 will be seen as building long term depth. I have no expectation of replacing Miles and Lloyd with equal quality depth players. But if Jack Graham, Dan, and Higgins all step up in 2019 our depth problem will have resolved itself largely through increased quality in the midfield.

I don't expect our 2018 draftees to step up like Higgo. And given that 6 state league players have already been grabbed I suspect that it'll be hard to pick up much good mature talent this year. But given that this year seems to have a lot of good inside mids maybe we'll get the reload our midfield for the future this year.

 

[Dr Tigris]

It’s always been the case. Probably because they want to do it after year 12 exams

Yep, they don't want to have kids start at AFL clubs during exams. I'm sure the anxiety of waiting for the draft doesn't help either though .

 

[YeOldTiger]

Player depth means an incoming player can do the same function/role as the player he replaces.

How does Corey Ellis, Sam Lloyd or Anthony Miles fulfil those positions in the midfield?

• Corey Ellis - needs to find the ball and hit a target.
  • No point standing around and taking up space as a midfielder.

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• Anthony Miles
  • Why did he only play 1 game, might have something to do with a lack of defensive effort

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• Sam Lloyd
  • Is not a midfielder, more as a mid/forward, his problem not enough scoreboard impact. Too many other players vying for the midfield or forward role

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Richmond was never going to offer Reece Conca a 3-year deal, it would have been foolish considering his injury history.

The so-called depth (Ellis, Miles & Lloyd) played 12 games between them.

What some people define as depth, others could call them list cloggers!

Thank them for their service, move them on and create opportunities for those pushing up and maybe even another Graham or Higgins, ready-to-go draftee.

None of the guys who left were in our next Premiership side.

 

[Mr Magic]

Some might think this is unrealistic but I think trading RFC's 2019 first rounder for West Coasts 20 and 22 is doable.

20 and 22 is really 24 and 26 based on the roar phantom draft. We don't know where RFC's 2019 1st will be, could be better than we think although we would like it to be 18. Throw in 37 with it. West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA compo

Just trying to think who we could get at 24 and 26?

 

[JR82]

Trading next yrs 1st is a no if we are chasing Hopper as we'll need that pick.

 

[smurfin]

Fiddled around with a word table, but couldn't be stuffed reformatting, etc when transferring to here.
This is a very very rough order of draft potential, with likely academy & father/sons taken out along with the picks used to pay for them.
(eg Sydney's 26 removed and 37 moved to 58 for a bid at pick 10 for Blakey. North's 42,47,48, 49, 55 all removed for Thomas(bid at 12 & Scott (bid at 30))
The bolded players are where Richmond's picks are at 17, 33, 50, 54 & 59.
Not the player I predict we take, but a rough guide of who may be available around that mark.

Sam Walsh - (182cm 68kg)
Jack Lukosius - (194cm 82kg)
Izak Rankine - (178cm 74kg)
Ben King - (201cm 79kg)
Bailey Smith - (183cm 74kg)
Max King - (201cm 82kg)
Connor Rozee - (184cm 75kg)
Jackson Hately - (189cm 79kg)
Riley Collier-Dawkins - (193cm 88kg )
Jye Caldwell - (184cm 78kg)
Ned McHenry - (176cm 71kg)
Bailey Williams - (198cm 91kg)
Ian Hill - (176cm 66kg)Perth
Curtis Taylor - (186cm 74kg)
Xavier O'Halloran - (186cm 82kg)
Xavier Duursma - (185cm 71kg)
Zak Butters - (178cm 70kg)
Liam Stocker - (183cm 83kg)
Jordan Clark - (182cm 78kg)
Sam Sturt - (188cm 79kg)
Luke Valente - (186cm 80kg)
Thomas Sparrow - (182cm 81kg)
Chayce Jones - (179cm 73kg)
Joseph Ayton-Delaney - (180cm 68kg)
Sydney Stack
Fraser Turner - (186cm 75kg)
Jack Bytel - (188cm 79kg)
Tom McKenzie - (183cm 71kg)
Luke Foley
Jez McLennan - (183cm 81kg)
Tom Berry
Ely Smith - (188cm 86kg)
Noah Gown
Jacob Koschitzke - (196cm 94kg)
Laitham Vandermeer - (180cm 76kg)
Tom Joyce - (179cm 67kg)
Jacob Kennerley - (184cm 76kg)
Tom Lewis - (179cm 78kg)
Will Hamill
Oscar Chapman - (187cm 72kg)
Luke English
Riley Grundy
Toby Bedford
Aaron Nietschke - (184cm 77kg)
James Rowbottom
Luke Moore - (180cm 85kg)
Dillon O'Reilly - (194cm 89kg)
Daly Andrews - (183cm 76kg)
Lachlan Sholl - (185cm 77kg)
Alastair Richards - (187cm 78kg)
Harry Reynolds - (190cm 75kg)
Xavier O'Neill - (183cm 75kg)
Will Hamill - (185cm 70kg)
Jake Gaspar - (183cm 89kg)
Jack Ross - (186cm 85kg)
Mitch Riordan - (186cm 79kg)
Kyle Reid - (193cm 85kg)

 

[Phar Ace]

Twomey is a looney and the last couple of years i havent paid any attention or gotten hopes up because of phantom drafts.
This is his 2017 phantom draft compared to what happened:

Twomey/What happened

1. Rayner-Rayner
2. LDU-Brayshaw
3. Dow-Dow
4. Fogarty-LDU
5. Brayshaw-Cerra
6. Cerra-Stephenson
7. Clark-Clark
8. Coffield-Coffield
9. Naughton-Naughton
10. Richards-O'Brien
11. Higgins-Bonar
12. Bonar-Fogarty
13. Allen-Brander
14. O'Brien-Ling
15. Fogarty-Bailey
16. Murphy-Richards
17. Stephenson-Higgins
18. Bailey-Starsevich
19. Ballard-Powell
20. Brander-CCJ

5/20

I'm no apologist for this tool, but hells bells you are a harsh marker. He got 16 of the top 20 in his twenty. Get ten this year if you can, and the top 7 gimmies!

 

[Phar Ace]

Some might think this is unrealistic but I think trading RFC's 2019 first rounder for West Coasts 20 and 22 is doable.

20 and 22 is really 24 and 26 based on the roar phantom draft. We don't know where RFC's 2019 1st will be, could be better than we think although we would like it to be 18. Throw in 37 with it. West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA compo

Just trying to think who we could get at 24 and 26?

So, from that I take it you consider yourself smarter than the entire West Coast recruiting department? FMD!

 

[Grockadoc]

Well technically Short was recruited as a Small Foward and even played his first sr games with us in that role

Just because a player is recruited as position x or y dosent mean they will play in that position furthermore just because a player has played a certain position in the past dosent mean they can’t be positioned elsewhere

K-mac played in the middle when he was playing vfl this year and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he trained with the mids during the pre season

Astbury was drafted as a Key Forward, case in point, and is now one of the most consistent, underrated defenders in the comp.

 

[Roksman]

Fiddled around with a word table, but couldn't be stuffed reformatting, etc when transferring to here.
This is a very very rough order of draft potential, with likely academy & father/sons taken out along with the picks used to pay for them.
(eg Sydney's 26 removed and 37 moved to 58 for a bid at pick 10 for Blakey. North's 42,47,48, 49, 55 all removed for Thomas(bid at 12 & Scott (bid at 30))
The bolded players are where Richmond's picks are at 17, 33, 50, 54 & 59.
Not the player I predict we take, but a rough guide of who may be available around that mark.

Great post.

We should be barracking for early bids of all 3 of those players. All of a sudden our draft hand looks much more promising.

17, 33, 50, 54 & 59

massive upgrade on:

17, 37, 64, 68, 74, 92

 

[tugga]

Any ruckmen at VFL, SANFL or WAFL that could be gettable with one of our late picks?

 

[Dr Tigris]

Any ruckmen at VFL, SANFL or WAFL that could be gettable with one of our late picks?

Is anyone an advance on Soldo and/or CCJ?

I know people talk about this. And I agree that ruck depth is a major issue. But state league rucks tend to not be great AFL rucks. And Soldo is a damn fine VFL level ruck - not great AFL, but worth seeing how he goes. I see CCJ as our main man going forward, not 2019 though I'd venture.

If there is a ruck sitting there that fits our needs then fine. But why are they still there?

 

[Dr Tigris]

Fiddled around with a word table, but couldn't be stuffed reformatting, etc when transferring to here.
This is a very very rough order of draft potential, with likely academy & father/sons taken out along with the picks used to pay for them.
(eg Sydney's 26 removed and 37 moved to 58 for a bid at pick 10 for Blakey. North's 42,47,48, 49, 55 all removed for Thomas(bid at 12 & Scott (bid at 30))
The bolded players are where Richmond's picks are at 17, 33, 50, 54 & 59.
Not the player I predict we take, but a rough guide of who may be available around that mark.

Sam Walsh - (182cm 68kg)
Jack Lukosius - (194cm 82kg)
Izak Rankine - (178cm 74kg)
Ben King - (201cm 79kg)
Bailey Smith - (183cm 74kg)
Max King - (201cm 82kg)
Connor Rozee - (184cm 75kg)
Jackson Hately - (189cm 79kg)
Riley Collier-Dawkins - (193cm 88kg )
Jye Caldwell - (184cm 78kg)
Ned McHenry - (176cm 71kg)
Bailey Williams - (198cm 91kg)
Ian Hill - (176cm 66kg)Perth
Curtis Taylor - (186cm 74kg)
Xavier O'Halloran - (186cm 82kg)
Xavier Duursma - (185cm 71kg)
Zak Butters - (178cm 70kg)
Liam Stocker - (183cm 83kg)
Jordan Clark - (182cm 78kg)
Sam Sturt - (188cm 79kg)
Luke Valente - (186cm 80kg)
Thomas Sparrow - (182cm 81kg)
Chayce Jones - (179cm 73kg)
Joseph Ayton-Delaney - (180cm 68kg)
Sydney Stack
Fraser Turner - (186cm 75kg)
Jack Bytel - (188cm 79kg)
Tom McKenzie - (183cm 71kg)
Luke Foley
Jez McLennan - (183cm 81kg)
Tom Berry
Ely Smith - (188cm 86kg)
Noah Gown
Jacob Koschitzke - (196cm 94kg)
Laitham Vandermeer - (180cm 76kg)
Tom Joyce - (179cm 67kg)
Jacob Kennerley - (184cm 76kg)
Tom Lewis - (179cm 78kg)
Will Hamill
Oscar Chapman - (187cm 72kg)
Luke English
Riley Grundy
Toby Bedford
Aaron Nietschke - (184cm 77kg)
James Rowbottom
Luke Moore - (180cm 85kg)
Dillon O'Reilly - (194cm 89kg)
Daly Andrews - (183cm 76kg)
Lachlan Sholl - (185cm 77kg)
Alastair Richards - (187cm 78kg)
Harry Reynolds - (190cm 75kg)
Xavier O'Neill - (183cm 75kg)
Will Hamill - (185cm 70kg)
Jake Gaspar - (183cm 89kg)
Jack Ross - (186cm 85kg)
Mitch Riordan - (186cm 79kg)
Kyle Reid - (193cm 85kg)

Actually that looks a lot better than I thought it would. We could get some nice players to develop. Great way of doing the analysis!

 

[Azzleberry]

Only caddy and Higgins are genuine mids and none could replace someone like prestia or Martin if they are injured. Besides naish hasn't been close to getting a game, baker isn't fit enough yet, menadue and markov are list clogging and Townsend isn't guaranteed to be on the list and was worse than Ellis when playing in the middle.

The point still stands that we have no clearance winning mids outside the top 22 and if someone like Martin or Cochin are injured then every game will be a clearance smashing

Menadue and Markov are list cloggers yet you refer to C Ellis and Miles as depth.. you’ve lost me

 

[_RT_]

Any ruckmen at VFL, SANFL or WAFL that could be gettable with one of our late picks?

State Combine invitees were
Sam Conway Geelong Falcons 202cm 89kg 19 year old
Darcy Fort Central Districts 205cm 99kg 25 years old
Kieran Strachan Port Melbourne 202cm 95kg 23 years old

 

[Mr Magic]

So, from that I take it you consider yourself smarter than the entire West Coast recruiting department? FMD!

Why would you suggest that?? I take it you consider yourself smarter than the post creator myself???

My post, especially considering I created it and have a closer idea of its intent, would have a solid understanding of the fact the posts content has nothing to do with the relative smarts of myself versus whoever is in the West Coast footy club let alone the recruiting department as a collective or singularly. In fact the intelligence of West Coast's club was not even considered when creating the post!! Truth be told that aspect was not even in my solar system when devising the post so excuse me for the dimension I currently reside in!!


It troubles me you feel it necessary to form such an opinion!!!!

The 17 reference was deduced by the fact that West Coast would believe, hopefully for them, they are confident and they feel they will win the 2019 premiership and go back to back. That means, from their viewpoint, RFC's pick cannot be pick 18 given West Coasts wins the premiership and therefore must be 17 or better. Note I put in a qualifier for RFA compo!!!

My opinion was based on the following observations:
1.I believe West Coast is a competitive club in the AFL
2.I believe they feel they are a contender
3. I believe they will be trying to win the premiership in 2019
4. I believe they feel they are confident and believe West Coast is a good chance to win the 2019 AFL premiership especially since they won in 2018.

Your post does raise interesting point that people like you and me think different things. So many RFC supporters will think RFC first round pick will be pick 18 end of 2019. Many West Coast supporters will be thinking West Coasts first round pick will actually be 18 and RFC's pick might be 17 but then they might think it could be 16 or 15 or better depending on how they rate other teams and their progression. West Coast might think the Pies will be a bigger threat being grand finalists and adding Beams so RFC could use this to an advantage in a trade for picks if it suited RFC obtaining the talent it needs at the draft!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Some might think this is unrealistic but I think trading RFC's 2019 first rounder for West Coasts 20 and 22 is doable.

20 and 22 is really 24 and 26 based on the roar phantom draft. We don't know where RFC's 2019 1st will be, could be better than we think although we would like it to be 18. Throw in 37 with it. West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA compo

Just trying to think who we could get at 24 and 26?

It could get interesting come draft night.

RFC could say to West Coast if pick 20 becomes pick 24 and 24 becomes pick 26 RFC will trade 2019 1st rounder plus whatever to them for the picks especially if certain players are still available and others are not!

Same could be said for other clubs picks as well in terms of pick trading opportunities so RFC can nab the player(s) they want.

Alternatively we might be keeping our first rounder for a slider. If the slider does not eventuate and the players we wanted at that pick are already taken we might consider trading our first pick for two later picks or a combination of a later picks and future picks

 

[smurfin]

Great post.

We should be barracking for early bids of all 3 of those players. All of a sudden our draft hand looks much more promising.

17, 33, 50, 54 & 59

massive upgrade on:

17, 37, 64, 68, 74, 92

Cheers. I worked on bids coming at:
10 for Blakey (Swans)
12 for Thomas (Norf)
We should definitely bid on them at 17 if still there.
20 West (Dogs)
25 Quaynor (Pies)
25 McFadyen (Lions)
30 Scott (Norf)
30 Cameron (Eagles)
35 Carter (Freo)
35 Briggs (GWS)
40 Kelly (Pies)

 

[smurfin]

Is anyone an advance on Soldo and/or CCJ?

I know people talk about this. And I agree that ruck depth is a major issue. But state league rucks tend to not be great AFL rucks. And Soldo is a damn fine VFL level ruck - not great AFL, but worth seeing how he goes. I see CCJ as our main man going forward, not 2019 though I'd venture.

If there is a ruck sitting there that fits our needs then fine. But why are they still there?

It opened my eyes to this a few years ago when I felt we should grab a state-league ruck, checked some stats and then realised Hampson was actually the best ruck in the VFL.
Soldo currently the new Hampson.

 

[Phar Ace]

Why would you suggest that?? I take it you consider yourself smarter than the post creator myself???

My post, especially considering I created it and have a closer idea of its intent, would have a solid understanding of the fact the posts content has nothing to do with the relative smarts of myself versus whoever is in the West Coast footy club let alone the recruiting department as a collective or singularly. In fact the intelligence of West Coast's club was not even considered when creating the post!! Truth be told that aspect was not even in my solar system when devising the post so excuse me for the dimension I currently reside in!!


It troubles me you feel it necessary to form such an opinion!!!!

The 17 reference was deduced by the fact that West Coast would believe, hopefully for them, they are confident and they feel they will win the 2019 premiership and go back to back. That means, from their viewpoint, RFC's pick cannot be pick 18 given West Coasts wins the premiership and therefore must be 17 or better. Note I put in a qualifier for RFA compo!!!

My opinion was based on the following observations:
1.I believe West Coast is a competitive club in the AFL
2.I believe they feel they are a contender
3. I believe they will be trying to win the premiership in 2019
4. I believe they feel they are confident and believe West Coast is a good chance to win the 2019 AFL premiership especially since they won in 2018.

It's pretty simple - you said:

"West Coast will be thinking its 17 or better forgetting about RFA comp"

Like an entire football Club doing this for a living will over look that.............

So unless your syntax means something different - it presumes your suggestion will in some way be smarter than their thinking on such matters. I find that extraordinary. But go ahead and presume that if you wish.

If you mean something completely different then say so.

 

[Roksman]

Cheers. I worked on bids coming at:
10 for Blakey (Swans)
12 for Thomas (Norf)
We should definitely bid on them at 17 if still there.
20 West (Dogs)
25 Quaynor (Pies)
25 McFadyen (Lions)
30 Scott (Norf)
30 Cameron (Eagles)
35 Carter (Freo)
35 Briggs (GWS)
40 Kelly (Pies)

That's a lot of variables [emoji39]

 

[SumTingWong]

I like Jacob Koschitzke as a late pick up.