Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

[CJMB]

Think we will see Kennedy spend time forward. Reads the play well, strong overhead, good set shot, spent a bit of time forward as a youngster. He won't be just a mid imo.

I suspect we will be drafting mids over the next few years who love to kick goals (Dow).

Especially considering his preseason... fitness and all post surgery. He did kick 3 on debut for the giants playing up forward so hopefully he can do the same for us come round 1 with a few extra hard ball gets and clearances thrown in for good measure.

 

[Jimmae]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

 

[Jimmae]

Yes our team structure is taking shape nicely its been revitalized with more young talent and its obvious. Silvagni has been enormous . However our scoring ability is non existence and way behind acceptable standards will be the last peice of the puzzel.
We need a tall KPF who is intelligent , skillfull and mobile.

- Steven Silvagni, 2015 list strategy meetings

Fast forward to today:

 

[BluesRule]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

Nice list. This is hard, my current thoughts are:

1. Macreadie on the interchange bench. Kid has a tank, can play forward or back and looks super impressive for a young lad so far. Gives us more options if a tall goes down to injury. He will be a player!
2. Wright has been incredible so far with limited opportunity as a Blues forward. Think he should start until he is overtaken (by Garlett or lebois or Polson, or Lang or Lamb, etc. if they are up to it).
3. Simpson has been our 7th defender not really a midfielder. Will be interesting to see if we need that 'extra' player as the experience of our back 6 improves, but he is a handy replacement for Doch while we test others.
4. Byrne has to earn his spot. He is very classy but so fragile. Prefer Simmo in the back 6 for now plus add SPS or Cunningham to midfield
5. McKay or Casboult debate may become irrelevant as Kerr improves (I hope). Would start with both and hope Kerr develops.
6. Will be fascinating to see who emerges in the Midfield. I have no idea what the best 6 will be - but would love to see Charlie in there so he can run all day and not get pushed off the ball/intimidate. I can see upside in Kerridge, Graham, Fisher, Shaw and hope Schuey and LOB get a game or two.
7. ASOS is too good to leave out and can run with elite forwards (i am looking at you Buddy) but Liam was sensational until the last few games last year. So good to have depth! Would play whoever is most ready to go in round 1 and expect they will swap over the season.
8. Dow looks ready to go. Should start on interchange and get experience. Maybe manage/rest a few weeks as season gets on.
9. Lang is a solid player and should start in the 22. He wants midfield time and we need his experience there.
10. Kreuzer should be selectively rested to give Lobbe/Phillips an opportunity plus maximise his longevity.
11. Hoping Cuningham emerges this year. Kid has class.
12. Can Mullet play as a small lock down defender? Can run, can spoil, does he have the composure? and nasty streak! Might be handy some weeks as Simmo does not play that role.

FB: Williamson, Jones/ASOS, Plowman
HB: Simmo, Weitering, Marchbank
C: C.Curnow E.Curnow Cuningham
HF: Murphy Casboult Wright
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int: Dow, Macreadie, SPS, Lang

 

[Iamcarlton]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

Wow! Our 2 leading goalkickers from last year not getting a game you really have moved on yet i still see your old fave Thomas in there ?
I sincerely hope we dont see Simpson playing on the wing/onball again as he might not make his 300th is this your wish for rd1 or who you think the coach will pick ??
Nice side although

 

[reubsblues]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

We have some serious depth now
I recon Casboult we play round 1 ahead of Mckay and im a huge Macreadie fan and you could also state a case for Wright and Mullett good problems to have a suppose

 

[AceAndy]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

Pretty good lineup there Jimmae

Only a couple of changes I would like to see would be Thomas out and MacReadie in and a spot for Wright (not sure who i would drop).

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Pretty good lineup there Jimmae

Only a couple of changes I would like to see would be Thomas out and MacReadie in and a spot for Wright (not sure who i would drop).

I’d have Wright in over Lang for now

 

[Foucault1989]

My thinking (right now) for round 1:

FB: Marchbank Jones Plowman
HB: Byrne Weitering Williamson
C: Murphy E.Curnow Simpson
HF: SPS C.Curnow Lang
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int from: Dow, Thomas, Cuningham, Fisher, Garlett

Next tier: Wright, Kerridge, O'Brien, Polson, ASOS, Macreadie, Casboult, Lobbe, Mullett

You had me until Thomas. Casboult will 100% play, Wright would be unlikely to miss. Other then that, spot on IMO

 

[AceAndy]

I’d have Wright in over Lang for now

Makes good sense , Lang is probably the one to make way for Wright.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Makes good sense , Lang is probably the one to make way for Wright.

For now. Good luck to him if he can grab a spot, but if it’s Wright’s spot he’s gunning for, either Wright has to do a fair bit wrong or Lang has to be pretty amazing.
I’m just glad we’ve got pressure for spots and can argue who deserves it.

 

[TooBlue14]

Simpson Weitering Plowman
Macreadie Jones cuningham

Murphy Curnow Williamson

SPS Charlie Wright
Silvagni Casboult Pickett

Kruezer Cripps Kennedy

Thomas Fisher SPS Dow

 

[Jimmae]

Wow! Our 2 leading goalkickers from last year not getting a game you really have moved on yet i still see your old fave Thomas in there ?
I sincerely hope we dont see Simpson playing on the wing/onball again as he might not make his 300th is this your wish for rd1 or who you think the coach will pick ??
Nice side although

You had me until Thomas. Casboult will 100% play, Wright would be unlikely to miss. Other then that, spot on IMO

Thomas reflects the overall attacking setup within the midfield group. You can say a lot of things about Daisy, but the truth is he's probably more defensively capable through the midfield than most of the names I've mentioned, with Cuningham, Simpson and Ed being the others.

Beyond that squad of 23, there's a better argument to be made for Kerridge before anyone else if Thomas is the first name removed.

I’d have Wright in over Lang for now

Makes good sense , Lang is probably the one to make way for Wright.

With Lang and Garlett brought onto the list, and the development of Pickett, SPS and Fisher, where does Wright fit in?

If 2 or 3 of those names aren't ready to go in terms of form and/or fitness, then it's a different story, but it's hard to make a case for a guy who generally doesn't burn off his opponent that strongly despite all that he can bring to the table as a roaming small forward.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Thomas reflects the overall attacking setup within the midfield group. You can say a lot of things about Daisy, but the truth is he's probably more defensively capable through the midfield than most of the names I've mentioned, with Cuningham, Simpson and Ed being the others.

Beyond that squad of 23, there's a better argument to be made for Kerridge before anyone else if Thomas is the first name removed.




With Lang and Garlett brought onto the list, and the development of Pickett, SPS and Fisher, where does Wright fit in?

If 2 or 3 of those names aren't ready to go in terms of form and/or fitness, then it's a different story, but it's hard to make a case for a guy who generally doesn't burn off his opponent that strongly despite all that he can bring to the table as a roaming small forward.

I’d say he fits in to the tune of 30 odd goals. Until somebody proves they can do the same while offering more in other areas.
I’m happy for him to be replaced but he’s got runs on the board and needs to be pushed out IMO.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Appreciate you taking the time to reply CJMB.

Considering the training reports and media comments it seems Willo is ahead of Byrne.

Am not sold on Byrne and can see Willa perhaps being preferred. Byrne might get his chance early though.
If Willa is preferred and knowing Doc is to come back, then perhaps Byrne is favourite in the trade bait stakes.

I think Wright may stick around for more than 1 year. ... I get the feeling Wright can step it up a bit over the coming couple of years with some better i50 entries and playing purely as a small forward with minimal/negligible mid rotations.

Wrighty’s has several 1 year contracts. Even if he’s pushed out. I see him kept on as depth and leadership in the VFL. If Pickett, Garlett and resting midfielder all have significant output, then I think Wright will be pushed out due to his relative lack of pace.

Harry I feel will get there, I'm just a little less confident that it'll be this year that he completely dethrones Levi. I'm hoping he can get fit and stay on the park and play 10-15 games this year. Next year he steps up. Of course there's no complaints from me if he can manage that this year. Will be interesting to see if he can play as the #1 big dog for us and do some relief ruck work.

Agree.
Have visions of Harry monstering Rance but it might be too soon for Round 1.
Will be happy with 10-15 and he stays fit for a full pre-season ahead of 2019. If it comes together this year, he wins the Rising Star.

For ruckman we can probably go after the young-ish 3rd string at a club who wants more action. Think Nankervis; Tigs picked him up for a 3rd or 4th rounder. That doesn't have to happen this year, could be next. It all rides on MKs fitness, we're ok at the moment with Phillips and Lobbe as backups but we'll have to reassess at the end of the season for how all 3 are going.

Was thinking Nank when I posted this morning.
No question Lobbe is an upgrade on Gorringe and Korcheck.
It’s all about MK staying on the park in 2018.

The question of how we approach the midfield is an interesting one. Do we go all in on a 7 figure or thereabouts FA? Do we try and pick up some handy role players like an AA squad level specialist winger or hff who might command 60-70% of the coin that the big fish FA demands? Do we back our current list and continue to add the best midfielders available through the draft?

I think Shiel’s the man which is FA end of 2019.
Does SOS use some bargaining chips before, say 2019 Draft Picks kin 2018 trading ... and who should we target?
Can see something like getting a second high draft pick in 2018 using the 2019 first rounder and one of our 2018 second rounders, which would net us two highly rated first round midfielders in 2018 Draft ... (Ben comes afterwards).

I'd also add a genuine small defender to our 'acquisition list'.

The FA I would consider end of 2018 is Neville Jetta.
I was hoping we might get Ed Richards after I saw some vision of him in the lead up to the recent Draft. Thinking LO’b must be pretty good if SOS went him over Richards.
I can see Lamb trialled in the small defender role over the course of this season.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Possible round 1 team

FB: Williamson Jones Plowman
HB: Simmo Weitering Marchbank
C: SPS E.Curnow Fisher
HF: Murphy Casboult C. Curnow
FF: Wright McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int: Dow Garlett Silvagni Lang

Since we are playing richmond and they dont have a tall forward line, feel Jones, Weitering and Marchbank are enough talls and we dont need another on the bench.

Feel we go with run. Fisher, Dow, Garlett and Lang will play if all are fit.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I'm worried about our defenders

Jones
Weitering
Marchbank
Plowman (plays taller than he is)
McCredie

All have at least 5 years left and imo will all be guns. Some weeks we could play 4, but depending on line ups we might only be able to play 3 (e.g. Richmond finals side) I don't want to loose McCredie for a second/third rd pick because of lack of opportunity when he could go on and have a stellar 10 year career.

If Jones has another season like last year, I think we should trade him to a contender for their first
(Pick 14-20) as he is the oldest and would get us better value than trading the current "weakest" of our defenders in McCredie.

Also keeping in mind we have
ASOS and Rowe for 1-3 years and JGM as a development project for depth also.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Wright was sixth in the b and f last year and our second highest goal kicker, he is near an automatic selection imo.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Wright was sixth in the b and f last year and our second highest goal kicker, he is near an automatic selection imo.

He will make however wants his spot really earn it.

You want guys with superior talent like Garlett and Pickett to be pushed and wright will make sure that happens.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

He will make however wants his spot really earn it.

You want guys with superior talent like Garlett and Pickett to be pushed and wright will make sure that happens.

Agree that it would be great for the team if he is overtaken but there is room for at least 3 or 4 of his type in the side so if he is overtaken then we are looking pretty bloody good.

 

[ferrisb]

This is so annoying.

We have too many options for best 22.

SOS... . You've over managed the list, ya dill.....

 

[cookie monster]

I'm worried about our defenders

Jones
Weitering
Marchbank
Plowman (plays taller than he is)
McCredie

All have at least 5 years left and imo will all be guns. Some weeks we could play 4, but depending on line ups we might only be able to play 3 (e.g. Richmond finals side) I don't want to loose McCredie for a second/third rd pick because of lack of opportunity when he could go on and have a stellar 10 year career.

If Jones has another season like last year, I think we should trade him to a contender for their first
(Pick 14-20) as he is the oldest and would get us better value than trading the current "weakest" of our defenders in McCredie.

Also keeping in mind we have
ASOS and Rowe for 1-3 years and JGM as a development project for depth also.

Looking like an embarrasment of riches isn't it?

I don't share you worry though, few reasons:

• The nature of the game dictates at least one of those names is going to be injured at any given time. Last year Marchbank, Silvagni and Rowe having extended layoffs.
• Weitering and McCreadie can potentially play forward
• If the situation does emerge that we have 3+ AA Quality KPDs, we could/should look at selling the best of them on the player market, where the going rate for AA KPs is generally 2 x First Round Picks. Crude move, but it would only be done in a situation where we truly have the loss covered.

 

[Robertio]

Zak Fisher is a Gun. Best 22 for the next ten years at pick 27 SOS is the BOSS.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

You can change a list dramatically in 3 off seasons like we have done. Picks like Fisher, Williamson etc to add to the cream in SPS, C curnow, Weits, Dow etc is what catapults you into premiership contention or has you sitting mediocre. These types of players will make or break us. Pretty confident top 4 is only an off season of drafts and trades along with another season away. 2020 is when we will have a proper tilt

 

[Blues90]

Wow! Our 2 leading goalkickers from last year not getting a game you really have moved on yet i still see your old fave Thomas in there ?
I sincerely hope we dont see Simpson playing on the wing/onball again as he might not make his 300th is this your wish for rd1 or who you think the coach will pick ??
Nice side although

Anyone who thinks casboult wont play is actually a delusional moron no one supplys what he does

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