Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

[Jimmae]

Sassy!

Have you come around to fisher yet? You had half the board in distress on draft night 2016

He's attempted to address the concerns I have, which is all you can ask. Whether we burned a 2nd round pick on a guy who might never have the tank for midfield is yet to be seen.

That being said, Atley hasn't set the world on fire yet, so if neither can turn themselves into AFL mids, I'd rather have the guy who can burn a few off and kick a goal.

 

[Cripps17]

Whether we burned a 2nd round pick on a guy who might never have the tank for midfield is yet to be seen.

Why wouldn't a player like Fisher be able to build the required endurance? Shouldn't this be achievable in a professional environment?

I don't understand why there would be a barrier.

 

[My name geoff]

He's attempted to address the concerns I have, which is all you can ask. Whether we burned a 2nd round pick on a guy who might never have the tank for midfield is yet to be seen.

That being said, Atley hasn't set the world on fire yet, so if neither can turn themselves into AFL mids, I'd rather have the guy who can burn a few off and kick a goal.

Wasted a second rounder? Not sure I'm with your logic that Cuningham has to become a mid to be a valuable second rounder..

How very quickly people forget:

http://m.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-06-13/cuninghams-rising-star-performance

http://m.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-06-01/top-moments-cuningham-announces-himself

Cuningham has x-factor. He's already shown in his 11 games tht he can break games open with very few touches. If we can turn his 19 possession, 2 goal game against GWS into a regular thing (I see no reason why it can't) then a second rounder is an absolute steal. His career averages almost mirror SPS and they are only 10 months apart in age.

 

[Arr0w]

What? Really? Better how so though - lots of contributing factors to inside ability.

I haven't seen Polson play but if this is true, I'm excited.

I believe he moves better through traffic, has a better side step and has no trouble stepping back into the corridor. Murphy at the same age, plays similar to what he does now, spreads well, doesn't step back in that often

Not suggesting he will be a better overall player, just different attributes, despite both being similar types (if that makes sense)

 

[Jimmae]

Why wouldn't a player like Fisher be able to build the required endurance? Shouldn't this be achievable in a professional environment?

I don't understand why there would be a barrier.

It's not manager mode in FIFA: some people never respond well to endurance training, others excel.

Wasted a second rounder? Not sure I'm with your logic that Cuningham has to become a mid to be a valuable second rounder..

How very quickly people forget:

http://m.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-06-13/cuninghams-rising-star-performance

http://m.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-06-01/top-moments-cuningham-announces-himself

Cuningham has x-factor. He's already shown in his 11 games tht he can break games open with very few touches. If we can turn his 19 possession, 2 goal game against GWS into a regular thing (I see no reason why it can't) then a second rounder is an absolute steal. His career averages almost mirror SPS and they are only 10 months apart in age.

no

I was talking about Fisher.

 

[Masqualero]

Murphy has great ability in traffic.

His sudden stops are pretty lethal.

Some of his moves in the St Kilda game were slick as F***

 

[TerryWallet]

I didn't like the pick of Fisher when we used #25 on him. Happy to admit that. Too small and fragile to make it i thought.

But watching him take to senior footy in the AFL, my worries subsided to the point i am now bullish on him. He carries a certain air of confidence when he plays. In fact i'd go as far as to say it is arrogance that he exudes once the ball bounces. He plays with no hesitation and no deference.

I like his chances of making it as an AFL player.

 

[HARKER]

I didn't like the pick of Fisher when we used #25 on him. Happy to admit that. Too small and fragile to make it i thought.

But watching him take to senior footy in the AFL, my worries subsided to the point i am now bullish on him. He carries a certain air of confidence when he plays. In fact i'd go as far as to say it is arrogance that he exudes once the ball bounces. He plays with no hesitation and no deference.

I like his chances of making it as an AFL player.

He's an intriguing prospect isn't he?

Does anyone else feel that maybe he was asked to focus on playing more of a defensive game last year, against his natural inclination?
Always seemed to be running after someone with arms outstretched, like a blind man being chased by a pride of lions

Couldn't crack a 20 possession game last year, yet I wouldn't be surprised should he do so in at least half his games this year.........and kick goals.

 

[Cripps17]

It's not manager mode in FIFA: some people never respond well to endurance training, others excel.

Not sure how you took my question but I was geniunely interested in a response.

 

[Jimmae]

Not sure how you took my question but I was geniunely interested in a response.

You want me to explain the intricacies of human biodiversity to you in a forum post?

 

[Cripps17]

You want me to explain the intricacies of human biodiversity to you in a forum post?

You've pegged Fisher specifically as a risk for not developing a tank so I was just interested to hear why. You've been a knob in both replies though so no longer curious.

 

[Jimmae]

You've pegged Fisher specifically as a risk for not developing a tank so I was just interested to hear why. You've been a knob in both replies though so no longer curious.

Poor beep test, and other (non-genetic) reasons that some here are aware of, that affect endurance and general fitness.

 

[Masqualero]

I think Kerridge actually has quite a good footy brain as in he’s often in the right spots, knows where to run and reads the play fairly well. He really does just drop the ball when it comes to disposal quality. Can see him being a really good player if he starts using the ball well and has better hands in close.

That goal from around the edge of the centre square last year shows he has talent, we know he works bloody hard. Hope he gets there.

I think he knows how to play to a structure well but has poor footy IQ. Because he doesnt have problems being in the right places but as soon as the ball is in his hands you can see him actively working through his options and then rushes a kick forward to no ones advantage in particular.

He is a hard worker though and I hope he does improve his disposal and his composure.

 

[Masqualero]

Poor beep test, and other (non-genetic) reasons that some here are aware of, that affect endurance and general fitness.

Is he not following his diet or something? Would you be able to shed some light or PM if possible?

 

[TooBlue14]

I think he knows how to play to a structure well but has poor footy IQ. Because he doesnt have problems being in the right places but as soon as the ball is in his hands you can see him actively working through his options and then rushes a kick forward to no ones advantage in particular.

He is a hard worker though and I hope he does improve his disposal and his composure.

This aspect of his game improved. Despite a terrible turnover v Essendon late last year he had a very good game. His final 6 games were B grade and he deserves his spot in the rotation. He thrives on getting a roll that suits him and he is clearly reviewing his tapes and sticking to simple instructions. When Cripps and Curnow were gone Id was him getting the Ball out to the right ball movers. And he has a great set shot. Got us back into games on countless occasions. I think he makes the bench spot this year easily.

 

[Soapy V]

He's attempted to address the concerns I have, which is all you can ask. Whether we burned a 2nd round pick on a guy who might never have the tank for midfield is yet to be seen.

That being said, Atley hasn't set the world on fire yet, so if neither can turn themselves into AFL mids, I'd rather have the guy who can burn a few off and kick a goal.

Jimmae, I don't get where this Fisher not having a midfield tank comes from. He has a very good engine and exceleration. Not an Ed Curnow engine but very good. Not far off Murphy. His running in the pre season has been very good

 

[Soapy V]

This aspect of his game improved. Despite a terrible turnover v Essendon late last year he had a very good game. His final 6 games were B grade and he deserves his spot in the rotation. He thrives on getting a roll that suits him and he is clearly reviewing his tapes and sticking to simple instructions. When Cripps and Curnow were gone Id was him getting the Ball out to the right ball movers. And he has a great set shot. Got us back into games on countless occasions. I think he makes the bench spot this year easily.

Kerridge is just a poor ball user especially under pressure. Got games last year when Ed was injured. I just can't see them both in the one side and Ed is way ahead. Ed is the shutdown worker. Cripps & Kennedy the bulls and Murphy Dow SPS Cuningham Fisher Polson are the break away, run and carry. Charlie & Pickett are the X factor

 

[Arr0w]

Fisher showed in his draft year that he was comfortable around bigger bodies, playing WAFL 1sts after the carnival. Has handled himself well at AFL level despite his size.

We all know how Simpson started and he has always had a small frame

 

[Iamcarlton]

Jimmae, I don't get where this Fisher not having a midfield tank comes from. He has a very good engine and exceleration. Not an Ed Curnow engine but very good. Not far off Murphy. His running in the pre season has been very good

Apparently he tested poorly at the draft combine in his draft year ? . As a kid of which he still is and before he had really tested his body in a full time AFL environment . And possibly before any real emphasis or monitoring of his diet . By looking at the definition of his body and the extra weight he seems to have added id say he's doing all the right things . And most likely he will gain the extra fitness to run more in the midfield as a matter of course .

 

[Benaly28]

Turnovers kill you in modern day footy and Kerridge is the turnover king.Full stop.

 

[katmanblue]

You want me to explain the intricacies of human biodiversity to you in a forum post?

Now that you mention it...

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[TerryWallet]

Turnovers kill you in modern day footy and Kerridge is the turnover king.Full stop.

He's a turnover merchant and a chronic fumbler. Everyone appreciates his workrate. But to say he is a poorman's Ed Curnow is accurate....and damning. He has driven me to fits of laughter the last 2 years with his fumbles and poor disposal.

In saying that , i really do admit that his last half dozen or so games last year were imo the cleanest of his career(post Game 1 lol).

Kudos to his effort, but we aint going anywhere if Kerridge is in our side, even at the standard of his last half a dozen games. He's a classic "rung below AFL standard" player.

 

[Jimmae]

Jimmae, I don't get where this Fisher not having a midfield tank comes from. He has a very good engine and exceleration. Not an Ed Curnow engine but very good. Not far off Murphy. His running in the pre season has been very good

He's never had one, he's just had a host of tricks that served him well at state levels.

All of that being said, the endurance gap we're talking about is the difference between him being a permanent wingman, and him being a career half-forward.

He's made enough strides to be the latter, and if that's his limit, that's still ok for us. Even if he does develop the tank, that may still be his position if the game keeps evolving towards taller wingers who can fly for a grab in a 1v1.

 

[Arr0w]

I didn't like the pick of Fisher when we used #25 on him. Happy to admit that. Too small and fragile to make it i thought.

But watching him take to senior footy in the AFL, my worries subsided to the point i am now bullish on him. He carries a certain air of confidence when he plays. In fact i'd go as far as to say it is arrogance that he exudes once the ball bounces. He plays with no hesitation and no deference.

I like his chances of making it as an AFL player.

Really wanted a tall with that pick, Brennan Cox, still think he will be a beauty. If we were to take a small, had Fisher in a list of about 5 guys, along with Mutch, Rotham, Drew, Clarke.

Fisher has done very well to date

 

[TerryWallet]

Really wanted a tall with that pick, Brennan Cox, still think he will be a beauty. If we were to take a small, had Fisher in a list of about 5 guys, along with Mutch, Rotham, Drew, Clarke.

Fisher has done very well to date

Yeah, i was pretty open with that pick. No-one i was really set on. But i wasn't too keen when we read Fisher's name out. Looking back at my notes, Poholke was the pick i would have made on draft night. Adel got him at about #40 from memory.

And i agree on Cox. Think Freo have got a live one there.