Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[Big_Luch]

This is not correct, his attitude was lauded as better than anyone’s, lived and breathed footy and has engaged in private coaches for years. One of his big knocks which to me looks stupid is that he dropped out of school at 16 to solely focus on football, some thought he had little room to improve.

Heard that from a major player agent.

 

[DangerousD]

Heard that from a major player agent.

Fair play, I wonder if a few clubs were put off due to his personality, attitude can mean many things to some. He isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but his commitment wasn’t ever really questioned.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Heard that from a major player agent.

That's surprising. I thought there would be nothing better than having a character like Higgins at your club. They bring groups closer together plus he seems to be as committed as anyone

 

[Blues90]

Higgins has been a fantastic acquisition for the tigers, but anyone who decides to drop out of year 12 to focus on their footy is dense

Worked didnt it lol

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[ferrisb]

We need to start acting with a sense of urgency , if we are serious about climbing up the ladder and ultimately reaching cup number 17 we need to take drastic measures . We need to do whatever it takes to make deals happen for premium players ..supporters have had enough they have suffered enough . We want to be the old Carlton again

I agree that at some stage we do need to trade in some talent. We won't make it to #17 purely by organically bringing in kids through the draft IMO.

BUT you sound panicked and desperate. That leads to picking the wrong players and/or the right players at the wrong price.

I think this is one of those 'hasten slowly' kind of things. We need to make a few clever/select acquisitions. But don't panic and try and rush the process. The more short cuts you make, the longer this thing will take.

 

[RAPPA]

Spoken like a pompous turd, so anyone who doesn’t finish year 12 as they have other career aspirations are dense?

Lol it was more that footy doesn't last forever. Isnt the average career span 5 years? I don't subscribe to the theory that you need to finish year 12. Far from it. But look, I get the blowback and so long as he uses his opportunity in the bigtime to sure up his future then good luck to him. I just don't agree with using football as an excuse to sacrifice at least completing year 12 when countless footballers before him have been able to do both

 

[Kramer1]

Young man dedicates himself to something. Dedication pays off. Young man is clearly dense.

 

[ferrisb]

Higgins has been a fantastic acquisition for the tigers, but anyone who decides to drop out of year 12 to focus on their footy is dense

I am 99% brain, 1% brawn (can you be 101%/-1%?), so Higgins is hard for me to relate to. And I am a big supporter of people finishing school.

But if his best bet of having a successful career was pursuing football, can you begrudge him doing everything to achieve his dream?

And it's not like he dropped out of school to hang out at the local park with mates. From all reports, he lives, eats, breathes footy, gym, recovery etc.

 

[4thchicken]

But if his best bet of having a successful career was pursuing football, can you begrudge him doing everything to achieve his dream?

That’s where I see a problem with the decision to drop out of school. Essentially he closed off many potential career options and gambled that he would be able to have a successful afl career.

All it takes is an injury or two to rob him of pace/agility and good bye career.

Nothing wrong with wanting to pursue your dreams but education is highly important- regardless of whether you wish to be a footballer, pursue a trade or any other career pathway

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Higgins wouldn't have been giving up school he was most likely giving up the first year of a trade apprenticeship, which age really doesn't matter with

 

[Beer n Skittles]

That’s where I see a problem with the decision to drop out of school. Essentially he closed off many potential career options and gambled that he would be able to have a successful afl career.

All it takes is an injury or two to rob him of pace/agility and good bye career.

Nothing wrong with wanting to pursue your dreams but education is highly important- regardless of whether you wish to be a footballer, pursue a trade or any other career pathway

You're not forever locked out of school.

 

[4thchicken]

You're not forever locked out of school.

Of course not but it gets harder as you get older - learning capability drops off, life gets in the way (social, family, career)

 

[DangerousD]

Lol it was more that footy doesn't last forever. Isnt the average career span 5 years? I don't subscribe to the theory that you need to finish year 12. Far from it. But look, I get the blowback and so long as he uses his opportunity in the bigtime to sure up his future then good luck to him. I just don't agree with using football as an excuse to sacrifice at least completing year 12 when countless footballers before him have been able to do both

School obviously was not a priority for him and who knows maybe he planned on doing a trade that doesn’t require year 12.
Even if his career as an AFL player failed, local footballers still earn a lot of money, on a side note, maybe if he finished year 12 he may have gone a little higher but he has definitely landed in a good spot at the Tigers.

 

[Yesterday Dog]

School means stuff all. I did the same thing as Higgins but instead of focusing on football, it was drugs. Slightly different, obviously drugs have better long term career options.

 

[Soapy V]

Of course not but it gets harder as you get older - learning capability drops off, life gets in the way (social, family, career)

Don't agree. I dropped out went into the Army and then went to Uni on my late 30's and got a degree. Was a much better student and more focussed later. Everyone's different

 

[RAPPA]

I am 99% brain, 1% brawn (can you be 101%/-1%?), so Higgins is hard for me to relate to. And I am a big supporter of people finishing school.

But if his best bet of having a successful career was pursuing football, can you begrudge him doing everything to achieve his dream?

And it's not like he dropped out of school to hang out at the local park with mates. From all reports, he lives, eats, breathes footy, gym, recovery etc.

Point noted, and if he was in navy blue, I wouldn't bat an eyelid

 

[HereComesJuddy]

School means stuff all. I did the same thing as Higgins but instead of focusing on football, it was drugs. Slightly different, obviously drugs have better long term career options.

Congrats!
Now stay the F away from my kids

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Ok what about this trade option:

We Get: Shiel, Setterfield & GWS first round pick
GWS Get: Pick 1 & Priority Pick 19

What do people think? Get around me!

 

[Soapy V]

If several of these players can step up and surprise some in 2019 like Polson Cuningham Schumacher LeBois Garlett Macreadie Pickett Lang TDK Phillips Kerr then we are in a good spot.

I have no doubt that Murphy Kruezer Cripps Curnow Docherty Simpson are our core next year

Charlie SPS Weitering Marchbank Plowman Dow O'Brien Kennedy McKay Fisher Silvagni Williamson are improving and look long term players

It's the next level that will really make us. Adding 5-6 good ready made players will help tremendously especially at reserves level. IMO that will help our development drastically.

2019 is something to look forward to

 

[Wickzki]

This is not correct, his attitude was lauded as better than anyone’s, lived and breathed footy and has engaged in private coaches for years. One of his big knocks which to me looks stupid is that he dropped out of school at 16 to solely focus on football, some thought he had little room to improve.

I just want to say this.

I had glandular fever which became chronic fatigue. This stopped me dead in the tracks from 16 to 18. My Dad then died and 3 months later I found myself caring for a dying mother 24/7 (she refused medical help as multiple doctors advised that there was nothing that could help her) until a week before my 22nd birthday when she died. Clearly, I didn't have an education (highest was Year 10 when she died). Since then, I've gotten my Year 12 completed, worked overseas in professional sport, and now have 3 university degrees to my name.

The way that I see it, he's poured his energy into becoming a high level athlete, has played 16 games (and counting) in his first professional season for the reigning premiers who are going to win the minor premiership. If he applies himself to his career as much as he already has done he will have earned a significant amount of career earnings by the time that he's 23-25 (if he has a 5-7 year career, if he has longer he's laughing).

He's so far ahead of where I was at and I think, for the most part, I came out of everything pretty well all things considered. He can go back to school, get his year 12 or even do a tertiary level degree in something that he's passionate about and launch a successful post-football career.

Not completing high school by the age of 18 isn't for everyone nor does it necessarily state that a young bloke is immature or lazy. I believe it will become something that is considered more beneficial for guys with big league careers ahead of them. Drop out of school, get professional coaching and be fully prepared for the professional level. I know plenty of people who finish high school and have the mentality of a six year old while I know plenty of people who were never academics and are highly professional people.

 

[thylacine60]

School means stuff all. I did the same thing as Higgins but instead of focusing on football, it was drugs. Slightly different, obviously drugs have better long term career options.

cheers, woosha......

 

[thylacine60]

I just want to say this.

I had glandular fever which became chronic fatigue. This stopped me dead in the tracks from 16 to 18. My Dad then died and 3 months later I found myself caring for a dying mother 24/7 (she refused medical help as multiple doctors advised that there was nothing that could help her) until a week before my 22nd birthday when she died. Clearly, I didn't have an education (highest was Year 10 when she died). Since then, I've gotten my Year 12 completed, worked overseas in professional sport, and now have 3 university degrees to my name.

The way that I see it, he's poured his energy into becoming a high level athlete, has played 16 games (and counting) in his first professional season for the reigning premiers who are going to win the minor premiership. If he applies himself to his career as much as he already has done he will have earned a significant amount of career earnings by the time that he's 23-25 (if he has a 5-7 year career, if he has longer he's laughing).

He's so far ahead of where I was at and I think, for the most part, I came out of everything pretty well all things considered. He can go back to school, get his year 12 or even do a tertiary level degree in something that he's passionate about and launch a successful post-football career.

Not completing high school by the age of 18 isn't for everyone nor does it necessarily state that a young bloke is immature or lazy. I believe it will become something that is considered more beneficial for guys with big league careers ahead of them. Drop out of school, get professional coaching and be fully prepared for the professional level. I know plenty of people who finish high school and have the mentality of a six year old while I know plenty of people who were never academics and are highly professional people.

it's as thought-provoking as you will ever see - quality wick is quality

 

[Soapy V]

Having a look through at players we may want from other clubs or leagues as mature aged additions.

Free Agents

A.Gaff
R.Lester
D.Mundy
L.Dahlhaus

Trades

M.McGovern
B.Crouch
Ed Langdon
Will Brodie
J.Scrimshaw
B.Ainsworth
D.Shiel
J.Atley
J.Lloyd

State Leagues

J.Palmer
S.Collins
H.Schloithe
S.Nelson


Who else is there? Who should or will we target? IMO we need 5-6 players who can step straight in and make us better

 

[Arr0w]

Having a look through at players we may want from other clubs or leagues as mature aged additions.

Free Agents

A.Gaff
R.Lester
D.Mundy
L.Dahlhaus

Trades

M.McGovern
B.Crouch
Ed Langdon
Will Brodie
J.Scrimshaw
B.Ainsworth
D.Shiel
J.Atley
J.Lloyd

State Leagues

J.Palmer
S.Collins
H.Schloithe
S.Nelson


Who else is there? Who should or will we target? IMO we need 5-6 players who can step straight in and make us better

Fisher
McAdam
Stephen's

Many, many more

 

[bigm386]

Ok what about this trade option:

We Get: Shiel, Setterfield & GWS first round pick
GWS Get: Pick 1 & Priority Pick 19

What do people think? Get around me!

I feel like GWS wouldn't be keen to lose players for picks considering where their list is at unless salary cap issues force their hand?