Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion Thread

[hey shorty]

Ah yeah. Be marginalised, disadvantaged, treated like outsiders and kicked on home.

Long as you're a bit better chance to watch it happen. You, individually.

We don't have our start-up concessions anymore son.

As long as the AFL continue to look after sponsors etc then the MCG is everyones best chance to see a GF. People are acting very precious on this matter, I cant see why you wouldnt want to play in front of 100K on the biggest day in team sport in this country

 

[PrideOf]

As long as the AFL continue to look after sponsors etc then the MCG is everyones best chance to see a GF. People are acting very precious on this matter, I cant see why you wouldnt want to play in front of 100K on the biggest day in team sport in this country

I get what you're saying, but when your opposition on the biggest day in team sport is playing at home, with a perfect week's lead-up to the match at home, while you travel across the country to meet them ... and they didn't earn it ... then yeah, nah.

 

[subaru]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/296624465106d590f8b8b67ece8b9545

Federal electorate of Port Adelaide to be abolished under radical redraw of South Australia electoral map by Australian Electoral Commission

Hey
It's a start ..

 

[footy4ever]

Getting a little desperate...

I'm beginning to like this Elspeth Hussey.

A lot! You go girl.

 

[hey shorty]

I get what you're saying, but when your opposition on the biggest day in team sport is playing at home, with a perfect week's lead-up to the match at home, while you travel across the country to meet them ... and they didn't earn it ... then yeah, nah.

I totally get that, I do. Recent history has told us that if the GF were played in Adelaide last year there was a fair chance we would have won the game.

Personally I find the whole travel thing overblown when compared to overseas sports and leagues. The only thing I have an issue with is the hypocrisy of the AFL. They talk about equalisation which is fine, but its not equal and never will be..... nor should it BTW. The best shouldnt be punished for being the best.

GF day is one of those things that doesnt need changing, its an event not just a game

 

[hey shorty]

Am reposting this because I can only like it once.

Funny isnt it. 5AA program manager is Ports media guy, Chief 'Footy' writer is a longtime Puffer, then you have Tredrea (who isnt bad), and Kornes PLUS Timmy G on the SANFL games.

But its awful that a Crows fan is a news reporter......

 

[footy4ever]

Maybe if the GF is always at the MCG then the Vic clubs should have to cede home ground advantage for the preliminary finals

I like this a lot.

 

[PrideOf]

Personally I find the whole travel thing overblown when compared to overseas sports and leagues.

Just on this, because I've debated it with Victorian nuffies before. Travel in sporting leagues isn't an issue, unless some clubs just don't travel.

It would be like the EPL, where Manchesters City and United only went on the road once. And the FA Cup was always played at Old Trafford.

It would be like the NFL, where New Yorks Jets and Giants each visited LA once in a season, and the Superbowl was always in New York.

Can you imagine an NBA where the Lakers played 78 games at home, 4 away and the Best of 7 Finals series gave them 5 matches?

All of these are absurd and no-one would accept they were fair. Even if Man United fans claimed Manchester was the home of football, or the Lakers fans claiming LA was the home of basketball.

But that's what we've got.

 

[PrideOf]

Funny isnt it. 5AA program manager is Ports media guy, Chief 'Footy' writer is a longtime Puffer, then you have Tredrea (who isnt bad), and Kornes PLUS Timmy G on the SANFL games.

But its awful that a Crows fan is a news reporter......

The PAPs are turning into nutjob fanatical illogical morons - like arguing for gun control in America or reality in Scientology.

 

[Doctor B]

Funny isnt it. 5AA program manager is Ports media guy, Chief 'Footy' writer is a longtime Puffer, then you have Tredrea (who isnt bad), and Kornes PLUS Timmy G on the SANFL games.

But its awful that a Crows fan is a news reporter......

Its a little ironic that they sway and sing along to never being torn apart yet their victim mentality makes them desperately look for a reason anything not Port is against them. There is always someone or something trying to tear them apart.

 

[Murray2503]

Why didnt the vfl (afl) sign up the grand final to the mcg for 200 years? They may as well just said that under the current competition, the premier 9 times out of 10 will be a victorian team. What a sham. The only solution to the corrupt vfl is to award the premiership to the team that finishes on top home and away. They are the true premier. In my eyes richmond and the dogs were not the best team. They were both manufactured premiers.

 

[Markthirtytwo2]

We sell out games here that are half as big, and a large portion of Supercars patrons are here in SA.

It really isnt the same, and thats without going into attendance at the game itself

If we could handle a crowd of 250,000 back in 1995 for our last Grand Prix, we can handle anything.

 

[Geoffa32]

The PAPs are turning into nutjob fanatical illogical morons - like arguing for gun control in America or reality in Scientology.

I like the theory that the alleged victim posted about this on Facebook and C7 swooped in and initiated the interview after that post

You would think such a post would have gone viral and a lot more people would have seen it well before C7 Tweeted their teaser leading to the interview in the 6pm news.

Far more likely a Port Adelaide staffer told C7 and contact was initiated from that.






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[hey shorty]

If we could handle a crowd of 250,000 back in 1995 for our last Grand Prix, we can handle anything.

If memory serves my correctly, it wasnt handled overly well !!! Mind you thats absolutely massive

 

[whattagun07]

Can someone explain to me the reaction of the PAP board over the SPP incident? I had a quick look but they were seeming to blame the ch7 reporter...?

 

[GameofSloanes]

Kick out all the corporates and just leave it for the fans.

Yes, I think all fans from all clubs would agree with that. The AFL won't though

 

[GameofSloanes]

Can someone explain to me the reaction of the PAP board over the SPP incident? I had a quick look but they were seeming to blame the ch7 reporter...?

She must have been the one that allegedly assaulted someone & broke team rules

 

[TheRoo32]

Boy oh boy the Port boards' thread on the SPP issue has some of the more bizzare, delusional, bordering on psychotic ramblings I've ever seen.

That board would have to be the only one where the average age is higher than the average IQ...

 

[subaru]

Can someone explain to me the reaction of the PAP board over the SPP incident? I had a quick look but they were seeming to blame the ch7 reporter...?

Yes
Pepper the Pig is the "scape goat "

 

[subaru]

Boy oh boy the Port boards' thread on the SPP issue has some of the more bizzare, delusional, bordering on psychotic ramblings I've ever seen.

That board would have to be the only one where the average age is higher than the average IQ...

It's actually scary that grown men can think like that

Obviously these are the type of people that need reminding of the "she's got to be awake to give consent " idiom in the AFL guide to getting chicks !

 

[Jetwa5h]

Kick out all the corporates and just leave it for the fans.

Centre Square was a $1900 a ticket event at Punt road before and after the GF.

Sam Kekovich speech to Centre Square

Grand Final Day 2008


My fellow Australians,

I've been invited here to talk to Centre Square, in these big marquees on Punt Road Oval. And speaking of Punt Road Oval, let me tell you something for nothing - Jack Dyer would be spinning in his grave if he could see the place right now. Full of a bunch of Collins Street corporate criminals, Chapel Street designer cats and Toorak poodle rooters who have about as much interest in football as Paris Hilton
has an interest in astrophysics.

Captain Blood didn't break every bone in his body and commit multiple acts of on-field heroism and homicide so he could see his beloved home ground turned into an over-priced pre-match party for chardonnay-swilling spivs and their assorted hangers-on attending their one footy match of the year, whilst tens of thousands of hard-working honest battlers who love the game and love their team are denied the chance to attend the greatest game in the world.

I've had a gutful. Whilst this bunch of Armani-wearing, Audi-driving, Prada-carrying try-hards monopolise priceless vantage points in the MCG, millions of genuine footy fans who have followed their team through thick and thin have to make do by watching the game at home or down at the local pub, whilst the Melbourne spivocracy get to sit on their fat posteriors in a marquee and wouldn't even know the way to the MCG without a tour guide.

Since most of you haven't attended a single match this year and know
nothing about football, let me give you a few tips - Geelong wears blue, Hawthorn wears brown, and in case you were wondering, there'll be no fashions on the field at half-time, and no, the Lexus Centre across
the road is not a prestige car dealership.

Centre Square is not only unfair. Centre Square is not only inequitable.
Centre Square is downright un-Australian! And so are all of you! In fact, I bet you're all so un-Australian that you all hate the Anzacs, you booed Cathy Freeman, and you want to cull cute cuddly koalas
because one of them once jumped out in front of your Range Rover on the way to Mount Hotham.

But it's not just you who are at fault. I also blame the AFL - those out-of-touch, opera-loving elitists at AFL headquarters who are responsible for this unconscionable abomination need to take a good
hard look in the mirror. That is if they can handle the sight of moral and spiritual bankruptcy staring back at them.

I also blame the government. Our new Prime Minister has clearly failed his first test of leadership if he thinks it's acceptable to allow an event like this to go ahead without a pre-emptive strike by the SAS.
The PM is doing nothing to ease the squeeze on working families on the bottom rung of the ladder of opportunity who just want to see their
team in the Granny. But he'd better get his act together and do something about it, or millions of angry footy fans will do it for him.
Revolutions have been started and governments have been overthrown for lesser outrages than this. And people ask why we need capital punishment.

So cut off your silver tails, tear up your fur coats and get fair dinkum. Our great Australian game is the greatest game in the world - the game of the people. Not some once-a-year marquee piss-up for an overpaid, over-dressed pack of passionless corporate cretins who only turn up for the free chardonnay and then spend the actual game looking about as interested and excited as a line of Easter Island statues.

So don't bother coming across to the MCG this afternoon, because you're not welcome. The next train out of Melbourne leaves Richmond station in 10 minutes - so make sure you're on it. Or, better still, under it.

So don't be un-Australian - everyone here in Centre Square can get stuffed! You know it makes sense. I'm Sam Kekovich.

 

[whattagun07]

So a video of him absolutely bladdered, stumbling after a girl who is holding her skirt down clearly wanting nothing to do with him... but it's the Media's fault?

 

[mattymac]

No surprise really. People were talking about Richmond getting gifted home Prelim and GF they hadn't earned. Then Perth stadium opens with a 70k capacity. VFL got scared.

From here our best course of action is to get fully behind the push for a 3 game final series. The VFL will want to support it because of the extra money and tying up the media for longer.

For us it's a win - win. Either one of the finals gets played at AO or if they go full greed hog and want all 3 at the MCG at least we get a "sighter" game that we can use to adjust.

 

[GameofSloanes]

So a video of him absolutely bladdered, stumbling after a girl who is holding her skirt down clearly wanting nothing to do with him... but it's the Media's fault?

Now you're getting it

 

[arrowman]

OK, I’m going to go all tl;dr here and try and look at this MCG / Grand Final thing dispassionately, and without worrying about the “VFL bias” thing.

First off, I think we need to accept that Australia is a small country, population-wise, and Aussie Rules does not dominate the landscape in the way that e.g. the NFL/Superbowl does. So we’re always going to be up against it when it comes to finding suitable alternative venues for the GF.

There is an argument that the MCG is Australia’s Wembley - the only problem being of course the “home ground” thing. It has to be admitted that the MCG, as by far the biggest stadium in Australia, has a big head start.

At the same time, we are coming to a point where it’s viable to have at least one 60,000 seat stadium in each capital city. Especially if there’s an event like the GF to be shared around, with both private and especially govt funding to be drawn on. Would for example, the SA government be willing to chip in for infrastructure to support a GF, and the associated tourism / economic benefits every 4-5 years? I would think so.

So in the past (and the quite recent past) the MCG really has been the only viable venue for a GF. But now we have Perth, Adelaide, Sydney (in one way or another) covered too - provided we’re prepared to accept a 60,000 (or so) seat venue vs 100,000.

The Superbowl is regularly played in c. 60,000 seat stadiums. I’d love to know what the ticketing breakdown is compared to the GF, and how many actual fans get to go to the Superbowl vs the GF. And of course ticket prices for the Superbowl are (I believe / assume) stratospheric.

On the other hand, take out the MCC members and we’re starting to get back to a 60,000 seat game? Which would mean that even if the number of seats available to club supporters might not be any higher than at the MCG, it doesn’t have to be lower, either.

In short, I think if the GF were played at a 60,000 seat stadium, the number of tickets available for supporters would end up being the same, and ticket prices would probably go up. Is that a compromise we, as supporters, are prepared to make?

So the thing is - all arguments about “home ground advantage” aside, and given that the MCG is, in capacity terms, the standout choice: Is there a case for rotating the GF to other grounds / states?

(No, you can’t make the GF a “home ground game”, you can’t organise a GF in 6 days. And I don’t believe it should be a bidding process, either, or you’d end up with same state government “buying” the GF over and again. So it needs to be rotated.)

I think there is a case - not just to remove / reduce the “home ground advantage”, but in terms of the development of the game.

It is, I think, in the AFL’s best long term interests to explore / pursue the idea of rotating the GF. There could be good money in it, if done right. It could result in new and improved / expanded stadiums for the AFL around the country. It could improve the exposure / acceptance of the game in the non-traditional states.

As for “home ground advantage” - rotating the GF would statistically make it most likely that the GF would be played on a neutral ground. There would be times when it is a home ground for one of the teams, and there is a chance/risk that it would result in the lower-ranked team getting home ground advantage. I think this is something we would have to accept if we’re to get rotation of the GF at all.

But I don’t think rotating the GF can achieve
- home ground advantage for the higher-ranked team, or
- more tickets for club members.

And if that is the case - if rotating the GF could not (and I believe cannot) deliver those things, would we as supporters really care so much if it happens or not?