Training 2018 Preseason Thread

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The West Coast web is the biggest myth going. Every club has something similar.

Everyones trying to rebound quickly off half back to avoid a defensive setup by the opposition. The crows maybe the superior of sides as they have the quality and skill of the players there.

The term 'game plan' is simply over rated. The way a team play is purely determined by the players they have. If you changed coaches at a side id say the team would play so identical to the previous coach you wouldnt be able to see the difference.

I dont buy into this game plan theory.


I think that a fair bit of what you are saying is right but I think it's right for the wrong reasons. Without addressing your post point for point, I'd summarise as saying that if we try to make sense of game plans based on what we are told by players, media and coaches game plans do appear to be bullshit and almost entirely ineffective for most teams.


There is a huge disconnect between commentators expectations and what it is that most clubs are trying to do. There is also a lot of cheerleading for certain styles of footy, ours, Adelaide's and GWS's, that ironically enough continually fail under the heat of finals.

The best example I can give on this point is complaints on Crunch Time about the dull time during our demolition of St Kilda the night before. Rather than trying to understand and appreciate the game of chess that was occurring, as we were trying to open up a corridor to transition from defence, these guys can't even pretend to have the attention spans or interest to understand more than basketball's meaningless end-to-end movement.

While it is understandable, commentary's focus on outcomes instead of processes does nothing to assist with the understanding of the game. I've been very repetitive on this point but Richmond's success in finals was not about its small forwards, it was a result of its ability to shut down the transition of its opponents (GWS and Adelaide) through the middle of the ground. This shutdown makes it impossible for GWS and Adelaide to win unless they change their plan for movement of the ball from defence. They didn't change, and there was no indication that they would change, and Richmond's picked more talented sides apart. It's no surprise that its small forwards kicked goals and layed tackles because they are the players who are in the necessary positions.


A lot of people seem to have this view of a game plan as a panacea for crappy teams or criticism of a coach. I find it amusing that Chris Scott is criticised for having no plan B when, Clarkson aside, he has more different plans for his team, focus on the opposition and engineers more wins from the coaching box than anyone else.

'Pressure' is often discussed as though it is a game plan in itself - it's all we ever hear coaches and players talk about. Pressure is the foundation that a successful game plan is built on. The Scott/Geelong example is a good one, here, because quite often they have intricate plans for ball movement and zone defence which seem to create a malaise in the side which is then very susceptible to opponents who are amped to bring intense pressure to the contest.

We can't dismiss pressure because it is clearly very important but every team is trying to bring pressure and quite often they do bring pressure (and still lose). It is no surprise that Richmond's pressure was next level against Geelong because Geelong tend to play slow which feeds into the intensity that Richmond was able to bring to the contest. It helps to make your forwards look quick when the disposal of your opponents from defence is stifled because the midfield options are shut down.
 
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Depending on situation of play every AFL team has a zone or will go man on man at times. Every team at times runs with a spare behind the ball and every side has had an extra in the midfield at times.

Win CP, Clearances gain territory and Inside 50s. Once inside 50 the key is to cause a stoppage or turnover and thus null rebound 50s this was the biggest key to the hawks domination ask anyone there at the time. Once a repeat stoppage I50 or turnover is caused the chance of a score greatly increases.

Rebound quickly off half back to prevent opposition from setting up defense whether man on man or zone.
Are you saying that game plans mean little because every team has them and it's more about the execution?
I think it's more than that, a team must have enough plans to counter any type of attack as well as alternative plans to break a defence to score.
Reviewing will find that you both executed a plan poorly and didn't have a plan against what was coming. A decision would then be made If you need to work on execution or add plans.
Plans seem similar for the scenario across the league but it's how you execute and how many you can execute.
We seemed to keep it simple and execute as best as possible with limited plans, which is probably why we didn't win scrappy against a good team. Hopefully another year of drilling in more stoppage and defensive plans can get us out of trouble more often.

If I've misunderstood and you think it's more about i50's and gaining territory then a plan is set up against that to let them come, pressure the kicker and have spares to start your drive from defence. The last few years has primarily been this setup which is why there has been a huge increase in scores from defensive 50 over scores from clearances.
 

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Can 100% confirm that the players are a full year ahead of where they were this time last year.

LOL very funny!

It was a serious question because even though we have excellent training reports on the blitz however this preseason seems to be quieter than last season and this year is the first time in sometime that the club has complete clean air without having players under a cloud or back from suspension.
 
LOL very funny!

It was a serious question because even though we have excellent training reports on the blitz however this preseason seems to be quieter than last season and this year is the first time in sometime that the club has complete clean air without having players under a cloud or back from suspension.
Well I think today was the first day back for the players after the Xmas break, so we'd probably be getting some more updates as to where they are at over the next month.
 

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I attended training yesterday, Stringer kicked an amazing goal deep in the packet from a stoppage, Clean take from the ruck contest 3-5 quick powerful steps and bang on the boot straight through the middle, Said something after the goal but didn't quite hear it, Would've been arrogant though. :D
 
I attended training yesterday, Stringer kicked an amazing goal deep in the packet from a stoppage, Clean take from the ruck contest 3-5 quick powerful steps and bang on the boot straight through the middle, Said something after the goal but didn't quite hear it, Would've been arrogant though. :D

Round 1 cant come soon enough.
 

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