List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Prospects

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Drafting does need to be wholistic, you cant just keep blindly banging the best performed mids onto your list every year. The aim is to have the best list, not the most draft pick 'hits'. Sure, in theory you turn excess draft 'hits' into trade currency to fill out your list. In practice, good luck with that.

On the flipside, you dont pass on a potential superstar of any type to draft a role player.

Kemp a potential superstar? Weightman just a role player? WTFWIK? Talent identification can make any policy look like genius or stupidity.
 
stefoid said:
Kemp a potential superstar? Weightman just a role player? WTFWIK? Talent identification can make any policy look like genius or stupidity.
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Yep.
IF (a big IF) Weightman plays like Jamie Elliott, he is in no way a 'role player'. Elliott on song is a game changer.
Posters were considering trading a first rounder plus change for Papley.

Let's give Flea a chance before we start calling him just a role player.
 

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Mofra said:
Yep.
IF (a big IF) Weightman plays like Jamie Elliott, he is in no way a 'role player'. Elliott on song is a game changer.
Posters were considering trading a first rounder plus change for Papley.

Let's give Flea a chance before we start calling him just a role player.
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Absolutely. He could be a star.
 
Always remember that some people thought Bont was a bad pick
 
VitalDread said:
Always remember that some people thought Bont was a bad pick
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yep. The difference here is that with Bont, we were looking for that potential superstar, whereas Power has said this year we were looking to bring in a small forward. So clear policy difference. Thats what makes this choice so interesting, IMO
 
Mofra said:
Yep.
IF (a big IF) Weightman plays like Jamie Elliott, he is in no way a 'role player'. Elliott on song is a game changer.
Posters were considering trading a first rounder plus change for Papley.

Let's give Flea a chance before we start calling him just a role player.
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Flea? Is Cody known to get about with just a footy sock over his willy?
 
Recruitment head to heads (Currently listed players)

Oakleigh Chargers: 53 versus Sandringham Dragons: 46 = Winner Oakleigh Chargers.
Dandenong Stingrays: 36 versus East Fremantle: 20 = Winner Dandenong Stingrays.
Geelong Falcons: 43 versus Gippsland Power: 23 = Winner Geelong Falcons.
Calder Cannons: 29 versus Eastern Ranges: 24 = Winner Calder Cannons.
Bendigo Pioneers: 18 versus Ireland: 16 = Winner Bendigo Pioneers.
Murray Bushrangers: 37 versus Northern Knights: 24 = Winner Murray Bushrangers.
North Ballarat GWV Rebels: 22 versus Western Jets: 20 = Winner North Ballarat GWV Rebels.
VFL: 49 versus NEAFL: 25 = Winner VFL.
Claremont: 23 versus Swan Districts: 18 = Winner Claremont.
Woodville West Torrens: 17 versus North Adelaide: 12 = Winner Woodville West Torrens.
Sturt: 13 versus Subiaco: 12 = Winner Sturt.
Glenelg: 16 versus Central District: 9 = Winner Glenelg.
Norwood: 16 versus South Fremantle: 10 = Winner Norwood.
West Adelaide: 12 versus South Adelaide: 6 = Winner West Adelaide.
 
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Article on the AFL website says we were weighing up between Weightman and Kemp, and also implies we would have taken Pickett ahead of both if he was there. It'll be very interesting to see what turns out to be the right choice. I've got a niggling feeling it will be Kemp but who knows. I'd love to know if it was the ACL, or list fit, or if we just rated Weightman the better player.
 
My thoughts:

1. Weightman fills a need right away at a high level and can be part of a 2020 premiership campaign.
2. We just brought in a tall for each end of the ground, and we’ll have Ugle-Hagen and Raak next year who are also talls at either end of the ground, and our midfield is stacked. Kemp’s versatile but I’m not sure if we have a position he could make his, like Weightman can do with a forward position.
 
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CaptainMurphy said:
Article on the AFL website says we were weighing up between Weightman and Kemp, and also implies we would have taken Pickett ahead of both if he was there. It'll be very interesting to see what turns out to be the right choice. I've got a niggling feeling it will be Kemp but who knows. I'd love to know if it was the ACL, or list fit, or if we just rated Weightman the better player.
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Think the article said Pickett and Bergman were both right in the mix for us if still there.

Also claimed that GWS were considering taking Will Day at 4!
 
weltschmerz said:
My thoughts:

1. Weightman fills a need right away at a high level.
2. We just brought in a tall for each end of the ground, and we’ll have Ugle-Hagen and Raak next year who are also talls at either end of the ground, and our midfield is stacked. Kemp’s versatile but I’m not sure if we have a position he could make his, like Weightman can do with a forward position.
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It's a good point. I'm usually vehemently against drafting for needs early, but there's a few extenuating circumstances here:
  • The magnitude of difference between our need to the type of player Weightman is, and the type of player Kemp is - we've got nobody like Weightman and despite Kemp playing multiple positions, we've got them all heavily covered both now and upcoming.
  • If we rated Kemp better, it doesn't seem like it would have been by much.
  • Kemp's ACL.
  • This was a weaker draft, so our pick 15 might be compared to say a pick 30 from last year's for example, where it wouldn't be so strange to draft for needs. If we'd had pick 4 we probably would have gone best available.
I still would have gone Kemp, but I'm also the chump that was disappointed that we picked Bont AND Naughton. So don't listen to me.
 
CaptainMurphy said:
If we'd had pick 4 we probably would have gone best available.
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Incidentally, for my money that would be Hayden Young, and he'd have been a good fit as well.

I think Weightman was one of the best available at 15. Below Kemp (on ceiling) and Robertson, but not many others.
 
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weltschmerz said:
Incidentally, for my money that would be Hayden Young, and he'd have been a good fit as well.

I think Weightman was one of the best available at 15. Below Kemp (on ceiling) and Robertson, but not many others.
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Robertson is an interesting one. Ranges on so many people's boards because of his strong contested game/poor disposal think he is very similar to dunkley in that way
 
Lots of interesting views on the Weightman selection, I have enjoyed reading. I'm more onboard with the decision than I was on the night. He looks to me like a high involvement player with a point of difference (specialist small forward who can snap with either foot and can take an overhead mark), he appears cheery, easy going and robust, he has a good physique, he could be a human cannonball in a few years time. And he's not that small either at 177, he's not much shorter than JJ, let's not talk about him as if we had selected a midget at pick 15.
 
Triple Baileys said:
Lots of interesting views on the Weightman selection, I have enjoyed reading. I'm more onboard with the decision than I was on the night. He looks to me like a high involvement player with a point of difference (specialist small forward who can snap with either foot and can take an overhead mark), he appears cheery, easy going and robust, he has a good physique, he could be a human cannonball in a few years time. And he's not that small either at 177, he's not much shorter than JJ, let's not talk about him as if we had selected a midget at pick 15.
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Also the young man is only 18 years old so he potentially has a few more cm's to grow.
MaCrae grew from 189 to 191 over one pre season I'm not mistaken.
 
Curious as to people's opinions about Luke Jackson vs Tim English. I think it may have been in one of the Callum Twomey videos that Luke Jackson is referenced as "going to be the best ruckman going around in a few years time" (I'm paraphrasing there just a bit). I thought our Timmy was going to be that player. Thoughts?
 
Jackson's a really talented player but he's also on the short side for a ruckman. Not sure how important that will end up being.
 
FROGGR said:
Curious as to people's opinions about Luke Jackson vs Tim English. I think it may have been in one of the Callum Twomey videos that Luke Jackson is referenced as "going to be the best ruckman going around in a few years time" (I'm paraphrasing there just a bit). I thought our Timmy was going to be that player. Thoughts?
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Jackson is about 7cm shorter, and from what I've seen is far less mobile than English, although looks to have a better contested game. I'd be willing to bet English is the better player long term, and if given the choice between the two I'd go English every time
 
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