Really isnt that much difference between 16.4 & 18.1 touches a game
he has played is average 16 games a season this year as well
2018
time on ground 80% @ 60.8% Disposal Efficiency
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time on ground 78.9 @ 70.7% Disposal Efficiency
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he has played is average 16 games a season this year as well
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time on ground 80% @ 60.8% Disposal Efficiency
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time on ground 78.9 @ 70.7% Disposal Efficiency
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Not sure we need a Tigers supporter coming over here to comment on GC players we may or may not be trading for...
Enjoy your insight into your own players, for what that's worth, but you're not telling us anything new in regards to Martin.
His form has been patchy while at GC, but his best is elite and we'd (presumably) be hoping to get that level of output on a more consistent basis by playing him in one suitable position (instead of 4), with an aggressive game plan, and alongside a slew of talented and committed young players. 18-22 touches, 5 inside 50s and a goal a game playing predominantly on a wing/HFF would constitute a meaningful contribution. That would represent a return to his 2017 season form, with a slight projected increase due to getting better supply from a more effective midfield than he had at the time. Not unrealistic.
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I like what he'd add to our side, I'm aware there are no guarantees, and for the right price (ballpark Pick 18-24) I think it's a smart recruiting move. Not expecting him to dominate, just complement what we already have.
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Whilst he has shown glimpses i dont believe i have ever seen him dominate a game or look like dominating at any stage, Now its easy to say he plays in a bad team but players like Miller , Prestia and a few more have done this at GC and just have to look at players like Martin,Cotchin at richmond in the bad years
I have a few carlton mates that really dont want this trade to happen and they dont see what he has to offer and believe he will be the next whipping boy if he continues as he has for GC.
Just did a comparison on the lewis Taylor thread between Taylor v Martin , Very interesting stats
It's a 10% increase going from career to season disposal stats, I think that's worth considering.
The 16 games career average isn't really a great indicator either.
He got injured in the first 5 minutes of his debut season, did his AC joint while diving for a mark, and missed half the year.
Had the same thing happen the following year, mid season against the hawks listed as 1% TOG after a hamstring.
He played 43 games over the next 2 seasons, 2016 & 2017.
Missed a chunk of around a month at the end of last year after a calf injury and had another month or so out this year with a broken finger.
That's 2 impact injuries and 2 separate soft tissue injuries over 6 years. It's not that bad.
Going back to the career games average, if we ignore his first 2 years (missed half of each season with AC & calf) then his more recent average goes up to 19. That's not bad. Add in the typical questions regarding the lackluster S&C/injury history of the expansion clubs and potentially that number improves. Let Andrew Russell at him for a preseason and let's see if he's looking better than ever, especially if he's playing on the outside of Cripps/Ed/Murph/Walsh/etc as a linkman delivering to Charlie/Harry/Mitch(Eddie? Papley?)
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Which is why I said I don't expect him to dominate, just complement our existing list.
He has a skill/attribute profile we lack, and affords flexibility to our game day structures.
I think both of you are missing the point. Stats are only part of the explanation. This guy is gifted but has not been happy at the Suns in the last couple of years. Have a look at his efforts in the previous years to get an idea of what he’s capable of. I would have thought a Richmond supporter would endorse a player moving from the Suns to a team in Melbourne.
It doesnt really effect me in any way but just looking through this thread and looking at how he would fit your team and value , I know he was highly touted as a junior but from the games i have watched him play dont see how he would fit into Carlton. Papley,Wines or Brad Crouch on the other hand would be perfect
I see the need for a small forward hence the talk around Papley, Butler, Sam Gray and Eddie Betts. I rate Wines ahead of Brad Crouch but I doubt Carlton would have the wherewithal to get Wines across the line. The Crouch brothers remind me of Dylan Shiel and we don’t need to add more of this type to our team.
The Tigers have rifled through the assets of the Gold Coast Suns. Proof of the fact that it’s the top teams which benefit from Free Agency. Who wants to play for bottom teams?
We’ve made some decisions in the past three years concerning the make up of the team for the following season. Some have worked but most were never likely to succeed long term. We’ve reached the stage where we’re looking 3 to 5 years ahead. We’re confident about the future given the growing maturity of the list.
I rate Jack Martin. I think he needs a different environment to succeed. It’s up to Jack as to whether that’s Carlton or another team. Now he was a priority pick (like Hogan?) so he was rated highly. He’s hurt his value over the last couple of seasons. He’s not contracted. I’m sure if he picks Carlton then SOS and his crew will determine a fair value.
I agree with most parts of your post , If Martin only cost a 2nd rounder and on reasonable coin but when the touted $700k price tag combined with most likely a pick below #20 then its getting on the expensive side. I can understand GC asking for a high pick due to interest from 3 clubs min but just think there would be better value elswhere or next year and dont think he would be a great fit for Carlton.
But the ball is in his court and if he decides its carlton then hope he works out
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I think he's behind a long list of small forwards at Richmond.
They've probably already told him it's best to explore his options sooner rather than later in order to make the right decision.
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This is a reasonable way to think about. Another way is to assess if he’s clearly in our best 22 and then assess what you would pay as a trade price. IF we get Papley I think he’s somewhere in the 25-30 range on the list:
Docherty Jones Newman
SImpson Weitering Marchbank
Walsh Cripps SPS
Charlie McKay Cuningham
Silvagni McGovern Papley
Kreuzer Ed Murphy
Casboult, Setterfield, Gibbons, Dow, Fisher, Stocker, LOB, MARTIN, TDK, Plowman, Williamson, Kennedy, Lang.
If Papley doesn’t get done then fair enough, he might squeeze in. Two things follow: (1) I can see why B70 says Papley is our main target; (2) if the above is correct you wouldn’t want to pay a lot (in a trade value sense) for Martin. I baulk at giving up our first rounder even for a pick shuffle to an end of first rounder. I’d maybe do it if Papley doesn’t happen but it’s line ball for mine.
I don't want to see Deluca cut, nor did I want Schumacher to go.
I guess the only way we'll know whether we did the right thing or not, is to see what we bring in for them.
We've released eight players to date and I'm just not sure whether we needed to be in such a hurry, unless of course there are reasons beyond the quality of the player to do so. i.e. attitude, money etc.
Just concerned we don't bring in too many 'project' and 'developing' types as too many can hinder the whole.
We already have BSilvagni, Finbar and Owies and I understand that some may say 'so what' but we find over and again that the better teams have the better squads in the VFL, also. This is by no means a coincidence.
I guess the only way we'll know whether we did the right thing or not, is to see what we bring in for them.
We've released eight players to date and I'm just not sure whether we needed to be in such a hurry, unless of course there are reasons beyond the quality of the player to do so. i.e. attitude, money etc.
Just concerned we don't bring in too many 'project' and 'developing' types as too many can hinder the whole.
We already have BSilvagni, Finbar and Owies and I understand that some may say 'so what' but we find over and again that the better teams have the better squads in the VFL, also. This is by no means a coincidence.
Does it feel like we have too many rookies atm?
I guess Gibbons/Goddard may get promoted.. still leaves us Cottrell, Owies and Deluca, we may just want to take 1 or 2 in the Rookie Draft?
I guess Gibbons/Goddard may get promoted.. still leaves us Cottrell, Owies and Deluca, we may just want to take 1 or 2 in the Rookie Draft?
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I'm surprised Gibbons hasn't been upgraded maybe still a chance depending on trades, Cottrell and Owies definitely will be given the chance can't see Deluca being given a rookie shot to be honest.. wouldn't be surprised if we fill all our rookie spots up and don't participate in the rookie draft..
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To whoever I was having a discussion with about Shai Bolton a while back, I apologize. After tonight it's clear he's a gun. Could be every bit as good as Charlie Cameron. Consider me a fan
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