Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[footyfan1978]

Agree it didn't make sense at the time but has actually looked worse with the form of Casboult and the early form of Kerr in the reserves. We have a huge amount of KPP talent at the moment both forward and back so using picks to secure another one when we are desperate for a small forward and even a long term ruck prospect made little sense at the time and worse since.

My impression was it was an ask from coaching group to list management team and they let them get their specific wish, I am still unsure if it was a list strategy groups need in itself. Just does not fit with rest of their strategy that been more logical in most other areas in terms of what they trying to do.
Anyway it is done now. One or two list mistakes can live with as they not going to get everything spot on.

 

[Blutopia]

Which players on our list have trade value? Positions we have in surplus?

I'd say Liam Jones is tradeable for the right return (Levi was better in that role while Liam was out, and Goddard showed good signs before injury).

I'd also trade SPS if we could get a reasonable player in return. Something in the way he plays just doesn't sit with me....he's had a few ripper games, just doesn't do it consistently.

He’s only 21... Just because we have gotten 50 or 60 games quickly into some of our young guns, doesn’t mean they are fully experienced like a player would be at 23-24.

Too much quality here to trade. His consistency will improve over the next year or two.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

We need a small forward. Don't kid yourselves. It is not the cherry on top. It is vital for any serious tilt at the flag.

We need more than one, we need to trade and recruit in at least 3....

 

[cfc4life]

We need more than one, we need to trade and recruit in at least 3....

Yep, that's why a Sam Gray who comes cheap, along with a Dan Butler/Shai Bolton would be ideal.

 

[Soapy V]

We need more than one, we need to trade and recruit in at least 3....

Rare disagreement with you FBB. I would take a Papley over a Gray, Butler & ??? deal easily IMO.

We are at the stage where we can fill all positions easily. What we need is quality not quantity. I like Gray but he doesn't bring in much more if any than Gibbons.

Like I have said get our midfield rolling and small forward won't be an issue

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Who in our forward line under 190cm is a threat? Cuningham potentially but he can't get on the park. A Sam Gray or Shai Bolton type is ideal.

We have no dangerous natural small or medium forwards that would give the forward line the potency to take it to another level....

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If Grey was the 3rd player to come in after all other trade avenues were looked and tried at then no problem at all

 

[Blue__Balls]

Rare disagreement with you FBB. I would take a Papley over a Gray, Butler & ??? deal easily IMO.

We are at the stage where we can fill all positions easily. What we need is quality not quantity. I like Gray but he doesn't bring in much more if any than Gibbons.

Like I have said get our midfield rolling and small forward won't be an issue

Two would be the minimum I think - Papley or Tippa as the key acquisition, and then a Butler or Gray budget option for a bit of redundancy/depth. The latter blokes wouldn't be reserves-only, they'd just need to be performing well enough to hold a spot in the starting side over other mid/forward rotations.

 

[agro]

Samo has improved this year and will keep getting better. When he puts it all together watch out.

He’s only put it together a handful of times in his first 50 games - he needs to increase that greatly in his next 50.

 

[Soapy V]

If Grey was the 3rd player to come in after all other trade avenues were looked and tried at then no problem at all

Sorry, I just don't get why. We have the list now and we need quality. Do that and we have real depth. Bringing in more handy players into positions we have covered by similar players doesn't achieve anything

This year needs to be about 5-6 quality players over 10 handy ones

 

[BlueAbroad]

That's a really good analysis BlueABroad.....I reckon it's worth reposting these clips at the start of the ND. Most posters (self included) don't know a lot about these kids you've spoken about, gives us a good insight into the players we may be targeting.

Will do mate, cheers!

 

[Blutopia]

Rare disagreement with you FBB. I would take a Papley over a Gray, Butler & ??? deal easily IMO.

We are at the stage where we can fill all positions easily. What we need is quality not quantity. I like Gray but he doesn't bring in much more if any than Gibbons.

Like I have said get our midfield rolling and small forward won't be an issue

Agreed Soap. I think if we could get any two of Papley, S.Bolton, Tippungwuti as small forward options that would be great.

You can’t underestimate the power of the effect that quality players have on other players around them.

Take Puopolo and Breust for instance at Hawks. They were far better players with Cyril around and Roughy/Buddy firing. Buddy left first and was replaced by other serviceable KPF players, but Once Cyril went and then Roughy dropping off, their effectiveness dropped off significantly.

So for us to get Papley and Tippungwuti for example, not only do they feast off McKay/Curnow/McGovern’s crumbs but then Cunningham(if stays fit) becomes a 2 goal a game small forward, Gibbons becomes a 2 goal a game forward similar to Puopolo.

So if we can get McKay and Curnow averaging around 3 goals a game like other top teams KPF, McGovern, *Papley, *Tippa, Cunners, Gibbo all averaging 1.5 - 2 goals a game with mids kicking a few then we become a scoring machine.

Looking at our list, if we can bring in 1 gun mid (Cogs would be a dream) and add 2 quality small forwards, then we will slingshot up the ladder next year.

We already have depth so I’m not keen on S.Gray unless we get him cheap in regards to salary and trade.

I think Darcy Cameron would be a great get also to mean our ruck stocks are covered for when Kreuz goes.

Then maybe one other mid which will mainly be for depth - maybe Ellis?

 

[cfc4life]

Sorry, I just don't get why. We have the list now and we need quality. Do that and we have real depth. Bringing in more handy players into positions we have covered by similar players doesn't achieve anything

This year needs to be about 5-6 quality players over 10 handy ones

Except we don't have anyone playing the pressure/goal kicking small forward role.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

This may have been posted previously....but the noise is getting louder.
Saturday's win is showing the football world that we're quickly becoming a destination club for young talent.
Make it happen SOS

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[Blutopia]

He’s only put it together a handful of times in his first 50 games - he needs to increase that greatly in his next 50.

His average disposals this year is up to near 20 from about 15 last year. His career average is 16.5 overall.

Shaun Burgoyne’s career average over 370 games is 18.1 per game.

Some players don’t need to average 30 disposals per game to have as much or more effect than the 30 disposals player.

SPS has great skill, vision and awareness in traffic. He is the player that under pressure will deliver a ball like a bullet to a forward in traffic between 3 opposition players which sets up the winning goal in a game.

We need to focus on our players strengths and what role they are playing in our team. You can’t have ten 30 plus possession players in your team, you need different cogs in a well oiled machine.

Look at GWS - they have multiple high disposal mids each week, a great mix of gun forwards and backs but they don’t get it quite right.

Problem is they only have one Cog and he might be in our machine next year

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Rare disagreement with you FBB. I would take a Papley over a Gray, Butler & ??? deal easily IMO.

We are at the stage where we can fill all positions easily. What we need is quality not quantity. I like Gray but he doesn't bring in much more if any than Gibbons.

Like I have said get our midfield rolling and small forward won't be an issue

Agree about getting in the best quality in we can but it's the position itself that needs depth for imo a couple of reasons (1) in case of injury, you need capable backups to come in and play at the level required (2) form and development, good players in form creating depth for healthy pressure on all playing for the same positions, having players developed through the NB's is also very important as well...

Just a rough selection of players that would give our list a much needed boost and would probably be a stretch of landing even three of them but besides Papley all of them can be required at a great price...
It Maybe only through my rose coloured glasses Soap but even three of these would give the list a great boost in depth...

SYD Papley- 23yrs- mid to late first rounder
GCS AhChee- 22yrsrsrs late second rounder to third round
RICH Butler- 23yrs- third to fourth rounder
RICH Bolton- 21yrs- late second round
GWS Langdon- 24yrs- third to fourth round

 

[bigdog43]

Perfect offseason would be Coniglio, Papley, Cameron/Lynch and a healthy Docherty.

 

[bigm386]

Perfect offseason would be Coniglio, Papley, Cameron/Lynch and a healthy Docherty.

If we can land Papley I would be happy. Out of him and Cogs I would take Papley.

Cogs to me is one of the best two way running mids in the comp but Papley fills an absolute need for us and brings a toughness we lack at times.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Sorry, I just don't get why. We have the list now and we need quality. Do that and we have real depth. Bringing in more handy players into positions we have covered by similar players doesn't achieve anything

This year needs to be about 5-6 quality players over 10 handy ones

Or 2-3 quality players and 3-4 handy ones.

Don't think we have room in the starting 22 to bring 5-6 new players in, and if we do so we're pushing some of our kids back into the 2's (which some would be happy with, others not so much). Try convincing 5-6 AFL-grade players to come across and fill three starting spots, with the others relegated to the VFL.

2 best 22 players, and 4 that would be competing for limited spots, represents a good spread. Round it out with a few draftees/rookie elevations.

More than that is greedy and, to my mind, disruptive.

Get some top shelf talent and some honest foot soldiers, continue to develop what we have, flags will follow.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

out of all the small forwards who are out of contract I would be going really hard for Ah Chee and Bolton. Bolton though is a flanker, Ah Chee as a junior also was much better higher up the ground. Both would come fairly cheap and have huge ceilings but it still wouldn’t fill our biggest hole and that is a true pressure small forward and that’s why we need to go as hard as possible for Papley. He is everything that we need, no other realistic option comes close to him imo.

 

[thylacine60]

I think it's more. Get to a standard to play later in the year and then need to improve more over the pre season. 6-7 weeks isn't enough

correct

 

[Soapy V]

We keep talking like we need certain players to fill roles when we have a group of young players that aren’t even close to their potential yet. When they do we may not have many holes as some think

 

[Soapy V]

Perfect offseason would be Coniglio, Papley, Cameron/Lynch and a healthy Docherty.

And a fit Williamson Stocker Setterfield Marchbank Dow Kennedy Cuningham TDK Charlie etc [emoji15]

 

[cfc4life]

We keep talking like we need certain players to fill roles when we have a group of young players that aren’t even close to their potential yet. When they do we may not have many holes as some think

Who on our list right now is a pressure small forward that hits the scoreboard? Owies? He's a Cat B rookie. Not sure why you're so against bringing in good small forwards.