Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[Arr0w]

If we could somehow land Tippa and Papley it would improve our forward line significantly, but honestly DODO is such a peanut I wouldn't even bother trying to get a player from Essendope. Will expect two firsts for Tippa or something stupid.

Unfortunately for Dodo, he has little say, AMT is uncontacted

 

[bigm386]

Unfortunately for Dodo, he has little say, AMT is uncontacted

Yep but if a trade isn't reached wouldn't he end up in the draft? Or has something changed with free agency? Does he somehow count as a free agent :/

 

[HARKER]

Unfortunately for Dodo, he has little say, AMT is uncontacted

Someone should give him a call then.

Wouldn't mind Tipa. Even when quiet, he's just dangerous.
We need some flair in our forward half. Something to worry opponents before the bounce of the ball

 

[Arr0w]

Yep but if a trade isn't reached wouldn't he end up in the draft? Or has something changed with free agency? Does he somehow count as a free agent :/

I don't think it would get to that point

Normally uncontacted players are traded for slightly less value, compared to if they were contracted

It's not as if Essendon could say, if the deal doesn't get done, we can still keep him

If Tippa wants that one big contract, he then has enough suitors and Essendon get nothing

Dodo is hard to deal with, but he is not stupid

 

[F_therest]

AMT is apparently taking offers

He is, in my opinion, the only difference making small forward in the league. He’s a game breaker and insanely popular, as well as being a perfect fit for us. At 26 he is also looking for his one big contract

I think he is worth $850k or more over 4 years and would happily give it to him. Would need to trade and again, he is the only small forward in the comp I’m giving up a first round pick for.

Um Papley? Younger and imo more consistent than Tippa.

And $850k is waaaay overs. That would put him up with Charlie & Cripps. $650k absolute max. Probably not even that.

 

[cfc4life]

Um Papley? Younger and imo more consistent than Tippa.

And $850k is waaaay overs. That would put him up with Charlie & Cripps. $650k absolute max. Probably not even that.

Not as big of a difference as you would think.

 

[HARKER]

Just checked on Tipungwuti's age. He'll start the season as a 27 year old.
No spring chicken at all.

Several months on and the same names present; Coniglio, Papley and more recently, Hill.
We have the money and picks to make this happen, although getting the players to want to come to us, is the big trick.

What a difference this team would be from day one, with those guys involved?

Docherty Jones Marchbank
Williamson Weitering Thomas

Kreuzer Cripps Walsh
Hill Coniglio Fisher

Cuningham CCurnow SPS
Papley McKay McGovern

IC 1 - Murphy Dow ECurnow Setterfield
IC 2 - O'Brien Plowman JSilvagni Kennedy
IC 3 - Stocker Newman Casboult Gibbons

Change the squad around whichever way, but we could finally and sincerely start talking he 'D' word.

 

[BlueView]

I’de take a younger more consistent Papley on less money, wouldn’t mind Tippa but anything north of 600, 700 would be massive overs for a player of his consistency

 

[F_therest]

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Not as big of a difference as you would think.

Who is left and who is right?

And btdg said Tippa was the ONLY small forward he'd give a first rounder for.
If your contention is their stats are similar, you're supporting my assertion that both are worth one.

And i still stand by my statement that Papley is more consistent...Tippa's season has been littered with really, really good games and then a bunch of invisible ones. It's been highlighted in commentary and footy shows quite a bit this year. Both are good options but would still prefer Papley - who is also younger and more versatile.

 

[DangerousD]

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Not as big of a difference as you would think.

Not sure how you don’t call that big.
Papley has him covered, 15-4 is a thumping

 

[Mr_Plow]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

Inconsistent but a match winner also. I’d love him but Papley should well and truly be prioritised, the problem is he is contracted and Sydney can demand whatever they like. There are plenty of really good flankers around but these two probably fit what we need the most unfortunately they will also cost the most.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Inconsistent but a match winner also. I’d love him but Papley should well and truly be prioritised, the problem is he is contracted and Sydney can demand whatever they like. There are plenty of really good flankers around but these two probably fit what we need the most unfortunately they will also cost the most.

I also hate dealing with Dodoro. We should definitely be heavily into AMT, if only to drive his price up for *.

 

[reubsblues]

If we added coniglio and papley we would make finals next yr with a fit list, we don't need to add another 4 or 5 players to the list our needs have to be Pacific and elite because we are going to get to the point when good players won't be getting games and then will want to move on

 

[F_therest]

I also hate dealing with Dodoro. We should definitely be heavily into AMT, if only to drive his price up for *.

Would probably want as much for an uncontracted, 26 year old Tippa as Sydney for a contracted, 23 year old Papley.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

Great name though

 

[Soapy V]

If we added coniglio and papley we would make finals next yr with a fit list, we don't need to add another 4 or 5 players to the list our needs have to be Pacific and elite because we are going to get to the point when good players won't be getting games and then will want to move on

Things would really have to go right for that to happen. It's a big jump. We are going to go through a "change over" period where Murphy Simpson Thomas Curnow Kruezer need to be overtaken by others. We have the talent coming through but it's going to be another season before they are consistent effective AFL footballers.

 

[btdg]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

What interests me in Tippa is a) his tackling and forward pressure (which is outstanding) and b) his capacity to terrify opponents and break a game open with minimal possessions

He’s played for an Essendon team that has hadn’t its forward structures disrupted all year, and who have been equally inconsistent.

I wouldn’t be worried about consistency putting him alongside our rotation of Curnow/McKay/McGovern/CAS. Even with injuries we keep plenty of dangerous tall timber that he can crumb off. And 4.5 tackles per game and the fear factor he brings there? He’s an absolutely perfect fit IMO

Papley - I dunno, he strikes me as a solid and consistent half forward flank. More disposals, good crumbing and 1-2 goals each game. No one is terrified of Papley, though, and I don’t think he completes the circle in the same way AMT would.

Not to mentioning the markieting boost. Tippa is a seat filler, and we are a team that could use a little excitement. Papley is boring imo

Hence, I’d pay big bucks to Tippa cos I reckon he makes us a contender. I don’t think Papley moves the needle

 

[HARKER]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

Papley is the one, I feel. He's stacks up possessions, kicks goals, rarely out of the game and gets others around him involved.

Tipungwuti can be seen to be more dangerous when he's on, but you're right. Take the consistency and team-based player most days.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What interests me in Tippa is a) his tackling and forward pressure (which is outstanding) and b) his capacity to terrify opponents and break a game open with minimal possessions

He’s played for an Essendon team that has hadn’t its forward structures disrupted all year, and who have been equally inconsistent.

I wouldn’t be worried about consistency putting him alongside our rotation of Curnow/McKay/McGovern/CAS. Even with injuries we keep plenty of dangerous tall timber that he can crumb off. And 4.5 tackles per game and the fear factor he brings there? He’s an absolutely perfect fit IMO

Papley - I dunno, he strikes me as a solid and consistent half forward flank. More disposals, good crumbing and 1-2 goals each game. No one is terrified of Papley, though, and I don’t think he completes the circle in the same way AMT would.

Not to mentioning the markieting boost. Tippa is a seat filler, and we are a team that could use a little excitement. Papley is boring imo

Hence, I’d pay big bucks to Tippa cos I reckon he makes us a contender. I don’t think Papley moves the needle

I agree that AMT is more of a match winner but it’s a little bit like Rankine vs Walsh. Papley may not be seen as a match winner but maybe with him in the side we never get to the point where we need one. Much like Walsh and Rankine.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Take the consistency and team-based player most days.

Indeed, the value of consistency is particularly important as a small forward, which can be quite a streaky and dependent position.

 

[Espio]

Surely this season has shown that our priority need is a competitive back up or if available primary ruck. I love Kruez and what he has done as much as anyone, but he has at times this year moved into the liability area far too often.
6 6 6 has increased the importance of first hands in the contest and fact is K is undersized and doesn’t jump like he once did.
I am not suggesting we put MK out to pasture, rather we lighten the load and bring in quality support that can stand up when he cannot.


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[HARKER]

Indeed, the value of consistency is particularly important as a small forward, which can be quite a streaky and dependent position.

We all love the players that pop up and thrill us from time to time. Coaches likely see things differently.

Imagine having 15+ players that simply produce week after week? I'm not in love with 1 good game in 4 game players, any more. i.e. Highlight players.

Consistency is key and this is where Papley shows up.

 

[BlueView]

We all love the players that pop up and thrill us from time to time. Coaches likely see things differently.

Imagine having 15+ players that simply produce week after week? I'm not in love with 1 good game in 4 game players, any more. i.e. Highlight players.

Consistency is key and this is where Papley shows up.

Teagues philosophy from what I can gather and what keeps being said about him is screwed to the
“role player” ideology. I’ll take the meat and potatoes player that gives 8/10 and beats their man every week than a flashy 4/10 every three weeks and 10/10 the other.

Generally you can afford to have one maybe two of those type players but once you cross a certain threshold you run the risk of becoming a conditional down hill skier type team.

Still too many if and buts with our list to gamble excessively on those types imo.

 

[David Sylvian]

Melbourne midfield taking a hammering at the moment would like to shake a mid free. Petracca or oliver would be handy additions.