List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[ScrappyDo]

trading isn't going to fix us. neither is drafting.

it's developing what we already have. until we can do that, we ain't going anywhere.

How do we develop if we don't draft? How do we replace retirees if we don't draft or trade? How do we......

 

[StCicatriz]

How do we develop if we don't draft? How do we replace retirees if we don't draft or trade? How do we......

we can continually re-fill the tank with more players. but until we can develop them, it won't do anything.

 

[ScrappyDo]

we can continually re-fill the tank with more players. but until we can develop them, it won't do anything.

I agree that's what should have said

 

[luca77]

Trade Ross??? Anyone see what’s happened at Carlton the last few years?

I don’t rate Ross overly however he’s most likely the next captain of our club, with the age/experience we need. I wouldn’t trade unless someone gave overs and we had experience coming back.

Would be demoralising for some of the players to have both Stuv and Rossy (our best two midfielders the past few seasons) leave, we need to build on what we have by replacing our list cloggers and even inconsistent players like Blacres/Dunny rather then a proven AFL player and leader in Seb.

I don't think people are talking about trading Ross for a draft pick or a kid. People are talking about guys like Whitfield/Coniglio e.t.c. Getting them at the expense of Ross plus picks probably would be overs which is what you'd be after, right? We'd still probably have Geary/Hanners/Jake e.t.c and Billings/Steele e.t.c will be leaders soon enough.

 

[Mat Mann]

trading isn't going to fix us. neither is drafting.

it's developing what we already have. until we can do that, we ain't going anywhere.

that's not untrue, but if a bloke at 18 already has very good kicking skills, they don't disappear, great decision-making doest get un-coached. its damn hard to make an average kick at 18. an elite kick at 21, decision making even harder.

the simple fact is we haven't drafted the class we should have, Rising stars nominations and the lack of them from this group is pretty dismal. not too many of our draftees have come in and had an instant impact.

 

[StCicatriz]

that's not untrue, but if a bloke at 18 already has very good kicking skills, they don't disappear, great decision-making doest get un-coached. its damn hard to make an average kick at 18. an elite kick at 21, decision making even harder.

the simple fact is we haven't drafted the class we should have, Rising stars nominations and the lack of them from this group is pretty dismal. not too many of our draftees have come in and had an instant impact.

its a big step up from what is TAC Cup/U18s to even the state leagues. you need to be trained on how to play at that level. yes inherent skill helps, but there's so much that goes with it.

take Max King for example and derms words. which are spot on. he needs to be taught the craft.

 

[VDS66]

Billings

Big call. Won't surprise either.

 

[VDS66]

trading isn't going to fix us. neither is drafting.

it's developing what we already have. until we can do that, we ain't going anywhere.

OK let's not trade and hope they turn out ok.

Then you can sack whoever is responsible. Rinse and repeat...

 

[VDS66]

I don't think people are talking about trading Ross for a draft pick or a kid. People are talking about guys like Whitfield/Coniglio e.t.c. Getting them at the expense of Ross plus picks probably would be overs which is what you'd be after, right? We'd still probably have Geary/Hanners/Jake e.t.c and Billings/Steele e.t.c will be leaders soon enough.

Correct.

However, I'm not seeing him as captain material.

Would rather give it to Hanners.

 

[Mat Mann]

its a big step up from what is TAC Cup/U18s to even the state leagues. you need to be trained on how to play at that level. yes inherent skill helps, but there's so much that goes with it.

take Max King for example and derms words. which are spot on. he needs to be taught the craft.

how much teaching did Carlton do to Cripps, Dogs to Bont, PA to Rozee, Melb to Oliver?
you can't teach a pig to fly.

Development is important, no doubt, but name a team that has developed a side to a flag rather than drafting class at the start.

 

[VDS66]

how much teaching did Carlton do to Cripps, Dogs to Bont, PA to Rozee, Melb to Oliver?
you can't teach a pig to fly.

Development is important, no doubt, but name a team that has developed a side to a flag rather than drafting class at the start.

Heres the thing...

We have players developing under the same system. Battle, Gresh, Billings etc.

 

[StCicatriz]

how much teaching did Carlton do to Cripps, Dogs to Bont, PA to Rozee, Melb to Oliver?
you can't teach a pig to fly.

Development is important, no doubt, but name a side that has developed a side to a flag rather than drafting class at the start.

given that no side becomes a premiership side over night and its built on the fact you draft and develop the talent. i would say simply drafting the talent does not work. you need to turn it into a premiership side.

take hawthorn, they didn't start playing finals as soon as they got their good young kids from the draft. they had to develop them. it's why clubs spend significantly more on developing the talent than finding it.

 

[saintkildaman]

I don't think people are talking about trading Ross for a draft pick or a kid. People are talking about guys like Whitfield/Coniglio e.t.c. Getting them at the expense of Ross plus picks probably would be overs which is what you'd be after, right? We'd still probably have Geary/Hanners/Jake e.t.c and Billings/Steele e.t.c will be leaders soon enough.

I think if a big fish ala Coniglio were to come to St Kilda they would be wanting to contend, trading a bloke who has won a best and fairest and narrowly missed another in previous seasons would be a strange decision for a team contending.

Say the Stuv rumours are true and Hanners doesn’t get his body right, I really doubt a top player will risk coming into our weak midfield to be be top dog and cop all the attention.

 

[St Muir]

Big call. Won't surprise either.

I'd rather keep him but he's the cream on top sort of player and more value to a club looking at moving from finals to grand finals in my opinion. Probably one of the few players we have that has significant trade value. I'd consider it if it means we get a strong inside mid coming back our way.

 

[Mikka84]

Billings

Juicy.

 

[Saintsman33]

I'd rather keep him but he's the cream on top sort of player and more value to a club looking at moving from finals to grand finals in my opinion. Probably one of the few players we have that has significant trade value. I'd consider it if it means we get a strong inside mid coming back our way.

So... You'd rather trade an outside mid with some class and polish for another inside mid.

Exactly the opposite of what we need to do.

 

[sunny3193]

Juicy.

Delicious

 

[Mikka84]

So... You'd rather trade an outside mid with some class and polish for another inside mid.

Exactly the opposite of what we need to do.

To be fair.. we need a lot of everything..

 

[Mikka84]

So, its reported Coniglio has been offered 1mill x 5 years or close enough.. And he's weighing up options.

This gets me juicy and delicious. There's only one thing he would be weighing up and that's money, honey.

Offer the campaigner lots of it. No one else has much.. We do ( well not in the bank, we literally have none ) but the AFL does.

 

[VDS66]

So reported Coniglio has been offered 1mill x 5 years or close enough.. And he's weighing up options.

This gets me juicy and delicious. There's only one thing he would be weighing up and that money, honey.

Offer the campaigner lots of it. No one else has much.. We do ( well not in the bank, we literally have none ) but the AFL does.

By us?

 

[CaptainRisky]

So reported Coniglio has been offered 1mill x 5 years or close enough.. And he's weighing up options.

This gets me juicy and delicious. There's only one thing he would be weighing up and that money, honey.

Offer the campaigner lots of it. No one else has much.. We do ( well not in the bank, we literally have none ) but the AFL does.

I dont think he would come to us even if we offered him 300-400k more per year than the giants

 

[Mikka84]

By us?

We've offered him a significant contract. A lot bigger than GWS.

Needs to bite. Weighing it up in the coming weeks - which means he'll sign tomorrow.

 

[TheJackal]

We've offered him a significant contract. A lot bigger than GWS.

Needs to bite. Weighing it up in the coming weeks - which means he'll sign tomorrow.

I'd go a mill plus for Cogs, or better yet, $2m for Taranto and Cogs, divide it whichever way they want. Would walk into our team as our two best mids and solve a number of problems.

 

[Gosaints12]

Newnes is a FA so if we were to let him go it would be up to the AFL to determine what he gets.

Just having a look at the "formula" I think he's likely get us either a pick after where our second would be (26 at the moment which would go back after other compo picks) or an end of second round pick (a pick in the 40's after other picks are handed out).

Although if we were to land a FA ourselves, we'd end up with no compensation.

We land Tommy no doubt. So effectively it’s Newes for Tommy.


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[Gosaints12]

Big call. Won't surprise either.

Who am I trading a future elite midfielder for right now. Billings is 23 it better be overs and more.


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