List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[Obeanie1]

Probably gettable to be honest. On current output probably worth pick 35, on potential pick 15, so somewhere in between that (pick 25) & I wouldn’t be surprised if the club let him go. I’d prefer to keep him.

Is Acres playing atm?

 

[bird_man]

Is Acres playing atm?

Missed the China game and missed round one but has played most weeks.

 

[mightymalaka]

I'll be very disappointed if Billings defects at seasons end! Yeah he's getting decent numbers at the moment but is still no where near
The finished article, tend to agree that he is the type that will markedly improve as we get better and better. And after everything we have invested in him
and the patience the club has shown with him, it will be a bitter pill to swallow if he takes off!
Would hope the lad is hellbent on repaying that faith and proving to the StKilda faithful that he can and will be the player he has always promised to be!

 

[StCicatriz]

WC by your account are doing lots of things right off the field, I don’t doubt they are.

The thing is so too are Collingwood and others, we don’t need to travel far to see top facilities and best practice. WC have won 1 flag in the past ten years so all that innovation and rooms full of analytics staff may just take a back seat to talent on the park. It’s easy to forget that St Kilda were a lucky bounce or two away from going back to back so we must have been doing something right.

https://www.monash.edu/turner-insti...recovery-times-and-enhance-player-performance

To the best of my knowledge we have collaborated with and trained at Monash in the past and every team including us are looking for an edge.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I have no problem being corrected. That article is exactly what I'm looking for from our club. To see it happen gives me more confidence in Lethlean.

I'm not sold on him yet but the fact he's getting as much people with a history of success involved is a massive tick. Gubby. Dermot. Billy Slater. Ratten. I forget his name the rugby union guy. We need anyone with a history of success involved with this club. A weight of numbers thing.

The appointment of dos and the link to universities to improve our modelling is even better.

That article you linked is another tick.

Having said that. Its just not one flag in 10 years for WCE. It's sustained success. They get a flag a tick over every 10 years.

1986 to 1992
1994 to 2006
2006 to 2018

With some failed grand finals throw in.

Id love that for our club. I thought we had turned that corner and were there with 1997 to 2009 and 2010. Like you said, very close. Which is why I had associated us with being this underdog that finds a way to success but just falling short. This decade of 2011 to 2019 has not been that. Its been a reversion to being no where near it and falling away.

Hopefully we've turned the corner with things you have mentioned to return back to what got us there in 1997 and 2009.

We need to find a way to be innovative and ahead of the comp.

 

[Obeanie1]

Probably gettable to be honest. On current output probably worth pick 35, on potential pick 15, so somewhere in between that (pick 25) & I wouldn’t be surprised if the club let him go. I’d prefer to keep him.

Cheers

Sounds spot on. 15 to 35.

The BF rumour mill on our board is saying if we get Kelly without using the Swans 2nd which we hold that may be put up for Acres. Currently pick 23 before academy shuffles etc.

Im getting excited on Devon Robertson the WA U18 skipper. High production inside mid, Priddis but with pace and agility. Lacks x factor but can get a stack of ball in close.

Eagles midfield depth is shallow, if we lost a couple of mids to injury we would get exposed.

 

[Yawkey way]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I have no problem being corrected. That article is exactly what I'm looking for from our club. To see it happen gives me more confidence in Lethlean.

I'm not sold on him yet but the fact he's getting as much people with a history of success involved is a massive tick. Gubby. Dermot. Billy Slater. Ratten. I forget his name the rugby union guy. We need anyone with a history of success involved with this club. A weight of numbers thing.

The appointment of dos and the link to universities to improve our modelling is even better.

That article you linked is another tick.

Having said that. Its just not one flag in 10 years for WCE. It's sustained success. They get a flag a tick over every 10 years.

1986 to 1992
1994 to 2006
2006 to 2018

With some failed grand finals throw in.

Id love that for our club. I thought we had turned that corner and were there with 1997 to 2009 and 2010. Like you said, very close. Which is why I had associated us with being this underdog that finds a way to success but just falling short. This decade of 2011 to 2019 has not been that. Its been a reversion to being no where near it and falling away.

Hopefully we've turned the corner with things you have mentioned to return back to what got us there in 1997 and 2009.

We need to find a way to be innovative and ahead of the comp.

I’ve said it many times before but successful clubs usually do a lot right on and off the field.

Having the right staff, using the best facilities and collaborating with Monash and others just drives everyone involved to buy in and work harder. We’re back at Moorabbin and have a new deal at marvel, we’re putting together a good group off the park and hopefully we will have a good draft/trade period.

If we keep doing the right things success will follow imo.

 

[Saintbloke]

Hey you're correct on cripps. He was only found to be diabetic in the back end of his draft year. Yes he developed compartment syndrome in his last year with us. Yes he didn't spend enough time with us to make it obvious. But the results are there for WCE. They are getting more from players who have not had as much time in the system as ours.

I tried to explain why WCE is successful and why we are not. I provided you examples on why I think WCE are ahead of us and how they're innovating what they do.

Can you provide me examples of what we are doing that is better than WCE? Can you tell me what we have innovated in the last 10 years?

I think finnis and Lethlean know we are behind here. I think they know the results are a symptom of that. Their comments on the football dept, list management and coaching are correct. Identifying something as needing to be fixed is easier than actually fixing it.

WCE have done better than us as they have had good strong contributors along all lines- not so much one champion CHF or one champion mid then daylight. It's all about balance.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Before this season it look like they overdid it and needed to go back to the draft.

Now they're flag certainties.

Getting Danger and Ablett didn’t do them any harm!

 

[joop]

Lol @ Marchbank. Bloke should just be content to get a new contract offer from Carlton.

Marchbank is actually a pretty good player.

 

[bergholt]

Probably gettable to be honest. On current output probably worth pick 35, on potential pick 15, so somewhere in between that (pick 25) & I wouldn’t be surprised if the club let him go. I’d prefer to keep him.

I’d take 30 for him personally, seen enough. But I suspect he’s worth closer to 40.

 

[joop]

How many times have we played the poor sides like Frankston though. Don't let ladder position fool you without looking at the fixture.

Yeh and that's why no one should take Geelong seriously, only played sides below them...

Of course you look at ladder position ya numpty!

 

[mightymalaka]

Yeh and that's why no one should take Geelong seriously, only played sides below them...

Of course you look at ladder position ya numpty!

lol
Nice and subtle Joopster! Yeah the Cats are the real deal this year....Mixing up their midfield this year has proven to be a masterstroke
And that's with having players of the calibre of Selwood, Dangerfield and Ablett available!
Makes you wonder what the F Richo has been doing going with the same same week in week out!
Geelong's recruiting and development has also helped enormously bringing in solid players like Dalhouse and Rohan and co in to help cover
Their bottom 6! The fact they can afford to drop a kid as talented as Venables says it all!

 

[StCicatriz]

Cheers

Sounds spot on. 15 to 35.

The BF rumour mill on our board is saying if we get Kelly without using the Swans 2nd which we hold that may be put up for Acres. Currently pick 23 before academy shuffles etc.

Im getting excited on Devon Robertson the WA U18 skipper. High production inside mid, Priddis but with pace and agility. Lacks x factor but can get a stack of ball in close.

Eagles midfield depth is shallow, if we lost a couple of mids to injury we would get exposed.

I'd trade acres for ainsworth in a heart beat.

What's the go with petrol? When's he out of contract?

 

[plugger66]

lol
Nice and subtle Joopster! Yeah the Cats are the real deal this year....Mixing up their midfield this year has proven to be a masterstroke
And that's with having players of the calibre of Selwood, Dangerfield and Ablett available!
Makes you wonder what the F Richo has been doing going with the same same week in week out!
Geelong's recruiting and development has also helped enormously bring in solid players like Dalhouse and Rohan and co in to help cover
Their bottom 6! The fact they can afford to drop a kid as talented as Venables says it all!

So gresh isn’t new to the midfield. Just out of interest what is the perfect midfield available and if you are moving players out what positions do they play or are they dropped

 

[plugger66]

I'd trade acres for ainsworth in a heart beat.

What's the go with petrol? When's he out of contract?

I don’t know but it’s expensive at the moment. We don’t have contracts in Victoria with petrol stations

 

[StCicatriz]

I don’t know but it’s expensive at the moment. We don’t have contracts in Victoria with petrol stations

Hahahaha well played plugs!

 

[gringo2011]

what would we get for billings pick wise?

He's slowly justifying his draft position, but maybe not damaging enough..

I feel like a top 5 pick would be overs but hey a bird in the hand etc..

He should be 2 first round picks if a 31 year old Bryce Gibbs got that.

 

[plugger66]

He should be 2 first round picks if a 31 year old Bryce Gibbs got that.

Well that was clearly dumb. He isn’t worth 2 round picks.

 

[mightymalaka]

So gresh isn’t new to the midfield. Just out of interest what is the perfect midfield available and if you are moving players out what positions do they play or are they dropped

Yeah Gresh has got a go, still think at this stage of his career he is a better small forward with just the odd burst on the ball!
We did recruit Clark and Coffield to be mids....We have barely played them...Acres who is a mid has been permanently stationed forward or the odd stint
In the Ruck...Dunstan was inexplicably dropped when other mids were performing worse! And i still maintain that he can play as a def forward in bursts
Instead of the bench always, as he is good for a goal and tackles fiercely!
My big beef with the coach is his lack of ability to be able to switch it up when things are not working, not just in the middle but also forward where it
Hasn't really worked all year! That and the whole development issue with our youngsters!

 

[gringo2011]

Well that was clearly dumb. He isn’t worth 2 round picks.

Still seems to be the cost of decent talent these days. He's looking very much on the up and other sides would want him. Different if he nominates a club and says he won't go anywhere else but would still cost a high first round at the worst.

 

[Obeanie1]

I'd trade acres for ainsworth in a heart beat.

What's the go with petrol? When's he out of contract?

Petro signed an extention a few weeks ago to the end of 2020.

 

[plugger66]

Yeah Gresh has got a go, still think at this stage of his career he is a better small forward with just the odd burst on the ball!
We did recruit Clark and Coffield to be mids....We have barely played them...Acres who is a mid has been permanently stationed forward or the odd stint
In the Ruck...Dunstan was inexplicably dropped when other mids were performing worse! And i still maintain that he can play as a def forward in bursts
Instead of the bench always, as he is good for a goal and tackles fiercely!
My big beef with the coach is his lack of ability to be able to switch it up when things are not working, not just in the middle but also forward where it
Hasn't really worked all year! That and the whole development issue with our youngsters!

Pretty sure coff was always a hbf but even if he wasn’t it’s to early to say he should be part of the midfield. You say it’s the same old midfield but then complain that one of the same old mids is dropped. As for acres well unfortunately he is victim of being able to play other positions. I would like your best midfield when you have time and if that means others are out where do they play.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah Gresh has got a go, still think at this stage of his career he is a better small forward with just the odd burst on the ball!
We did recruit Clark and Coffield to be mids....We have barely played them...Acres who is a mid has been permanently stationed forward or the odd stint
In the Ruck...Dunstan was inexplicably dropped when other mids were performing worse! And i still maintain that he can play as a def forward in bursts
Instead of the bench always, as he is good for a goal and tackles fiercely!
My big beef with the coach is his lack of ability to be able to switch it up when things are not working, not just in the middle but also forward where it
Hasn't really worked all year! That and the whole development issue with our youngsters!

I think everything stems from the poor list. To cover the holes in quality we work harder than other sides, it means players who can't run out games are punished where at another club they can carry a slow plodding inside mid. We expect every player in the side to be able to run back to help defend in the back half then run and spread to create over lap or marking options.

It's the catch 22, I think Playfair's transition game last year fell apart because we trusted players to stay in position and win their own contests. It was a **** up and by the end of the year we were back to Richo's swarm because the fans wanted blood.

A new coach might actually go backwards to go forwards with the expectation that some players will need to earn their keep by winning one on ones. Guys like Acres might get more love with his one way line breaking but less interest in two way running. It might actually change the way we draft as well.

 

[plugger66]

Still seems to be the cost of decent talent these days. He's looking very much on the up and other sides would want him. Different if he nominates a club and says he won't go anywhere else but would still cost a high first round at the worst.

thinking around 10

 

[hangdog]

Yeah Gresh has got a go, still think at this stage of his career he is a better small forward with just the odd burst on the ball!
We did recruit Clark and Coffield to be mids....We have barely played them...Acres who is a mid has been permanently stationed forward or the odd stint
In the Ruck...Dunstan was inexplicably dropped when other mids were performing worse! And i still maintain that he can play as a def forward in bursts
Instead of the bench always, as he is good for a goal and tackles fiercely!
My big beef with the coach is his lack of ability to be able to switch it up when things are not working, not just in the middle but also forward where it
Hasn't really worked all year! That and the whole development issue with our youngsters!

Couldn't have summed it up better myself.