List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[plugger66]

Just to get this conversation back on trading, what are people's thoughts about letting newnes and Webster go this off season?
We have back flanks coming out our arse and we could replace both with any of Paton, white, coffield, hind or Langlands.
Theywould be the only back flank/pockets worth anything and really don't improve us very much. Thoughts?

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Wouldn't get rid of Webster. Baring injury I reckon he is real class. Newnes could go but you have to see what you can get for him. No point if its pick 45.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm in the middle with Lyon, I reckon GT and Butterss get a lot of **** but they were our best admin as far as putting together a proper long term competitive side. They couldn't have done more to leave the on field set up for success. Lyon came in and taught hardness and a bit of a hard defensive edge. History shows he was a whisker from being a legend of the club. History also shows his game plan was harder to achieve in finals. He also burnt the last of the fuel gunning for a premiership and left a burnt out shell behind him for more money.

I was around for 97 where we finally got good and by a couple of years later we were **** again. What they did was create a reign of quality that lasted the best part of a decade. Pretty tough to drop GT on the back of prelim footy and his game style was probably more likely to either blow sides away or go down in flames, but it might have been different with him at the helm.

GT's issue was that he never had his absolute best 22 fit when it counted. 2004 was probably the best chance TBH... and they were just kids then.

 

[plugger66]

The right side is that Stuv lived with Plugger when he first came to the club and that your 'knowledge' is based on chatting to Old Man Lynch at Sandy (a parent of an unhappy player is always a reputable source!).

Should have hear what Justin Sweeney dad said about the club. Of course it wasn't justins fault. Had more ability than half the side. Worked half as hard as all the side.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I just spoke to Clarko and Scott, and they said it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive.
Eddy was hardly ever a defensive forward if at all. That was McQualter. He did a Weller, after kicking 22 goals in 2009, kicking just 8 in 2010. But he went hard at the contest. Don't feel bad, people were always mistaking Rob for someone else.

Eddy played 10 games in both 2010 and 2011 , averaging 11.5 touches each year.

While we were picking rookies in 2008, we gave Brad Howard another chance, while others picked up Jeff Garlett, Matt DeBoer, Jarryd Blair, Luke Breust.

So your issue is actually with the recruiting department during the Lyon era???

We still had picks, they were just ordinary selections. And we're still feeling that pain now.

 

[gringo2011]

Gee I would never have guessed that last line. Im 100% sure it was pointed out by many at the time that Lyon was make or break. I reckon not one person had an issue. I refuse to work in hindsight. We went for it and we missed out. The most fun footy ive ever had for 2 years. Still don't tink our game plan was the issue in the finals. It wasn't like the results we so much worse than home and away games. Certainly the grand finals werent apart from the replay and our older players were mentally and physically stuffed.

I didn't say it was wrong, I said I'm a bit in the middle on it. I always wonder if GT might have gone one better with his side. We pretty much lost a year adjusting to Lyon and in that tie lost some older players. The kids went from good to excellent under Ross but was that natural growth or something he did. Its method is what modern coaches preach. Make a positive happy environment where players want to play for the club and coach. I can still understand that it's not necessarily one way or the there being the right way. What ever happened GT and Butterss deserve credit for setting up a successful era.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Gee I would never have guessed that last line. Im 100% sure it was pointed out by many at the time that Lyon was make or break. I reckon not one person had an issue. I refuse to work in hindsight. We went for it and we missed out. The most fun footy ive ever had for 2 years. Still don't tink our game plan was the issue in the finals. It wasn't like the results we so much worse than home and away games. Certainly the grand finals werent apart from the replay and our older players were mentally and physically stuffed.

It was an amazing effort to get back to the GF in 2010. Roo missing for most of the year and Ross still managed to get us into the top 4 to challenge.

It was a sh!t way for him to depart but that is as much on the incompetent admin at the time as it is on Ross being supposedly greedy (what a horrible bloke to look after his family's future instead of wait to get shafted by Nettlefold).

 

[ScrappyDo]

Just to get this conversation back on trading, what are people's thoughts about letting newnes and Webster go this off season?
We have back flanks coming out our arse and we could replace both with any of Paton, white, coffield, hind or Langlands.
Theywould be the only back flank/pockets worth anything and really don't improve us very much. Thoughts?

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Newnes should go IMO. If we only get a late 2nd as FA compo then that's fine by me. Jimmy is tradeable for the right price but would rather keep him and offload Dmac. I'd like to see Jweb, Coff and Whitey teamed up in a post Gears, Dmac, Brownie era.

 

[VDS66]

I think the intensity in finals goes both ways and you don't set the tempo like you do in home and away games. Sydney are the other ultra defensive side who protect humble leads and I would think they have suffered from it too. It's still effective, just not as effective. Freewheeling sides are open to exposure too but if you can pile on goals the psychological edge you get can win you the game.

That's fine, we went hard and didn't win though and are still paying for it nearly 10 years later. To the winners go the spoils as they say.

Really?

Kick straight and 09 was ours by half time.

 

[gringo2011]

Really?

Kick straight and 09 was ours by half time.

Never blew too many sides away in his time though.

 

[StCicatriz]

It was an amazing effort to get back to the GF in 2010. Roo missing for most of the year and Ross still managed to get us into the top 4 to challenge.

It was a sh!t way for him to depart but that is as much on the incompetent admin at the time as it is on Ross being supposedly greedy (what a horrible bloke to look after his family's future instead of wait to get shafted by Nettlefold).

ross could have got his next gig, looked after his family and departed gracefully.

he chose the path he went down. hence why he cops it.

that does not remove netters of fault here. but neither does it for ross.

one of the most unethical movements i've seen in footy in my time. feel for the board of director who personally loaned him a 7 figure sum. hearing the news on the tv. wondering if he was ever going to see his money again.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Never blew too many sides away in his time though.

We actually smashed teams all through 09... it was when Roo went down in 2010 that Ross went with the 1-0 soccer tactics.

 

[plugger66]

Never blew too many sides away in his time though.

You might need a refresher of 2009. Nearly won more games by more than our average score this year.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

ross could have got his next gig, looked after his family and departed gracefully.

he chose the path he went down. hence why he cops it.

that does not remove netters of fault here. but neither does it for ross.

one of the most unethical movements i've seen in footy in my time. feel for the board of director who personally loaned him a 7 figure sum. hearing the news on the tv. wondering if he was ever going to see his money again.

I haven't heard the story about the borrowed money.

Don't get me wrong I was dirty on Ross leaving like he did but I'm not going to re-write history because he chased the coin (after he'd lost the lot).

 

[plugger66]

ross could have got his next gig, looked after his family and departed gracefully.

he chose the path he went down. hence why he cops it.

that does not remove netters of fault here. but neither does it for ross.

one of the most unethical movements i've seen in footy in my time. feel for the board of director who personally loaned him a 7 figure sum. hearing the news on the tv. wondering if he was ever going to see his money again.

Is that last bit a fact or a rumour on a site like this this? Just out of interest how should he have done it? Maybe we should not have had a clause in the contract.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Ok. Makes sense. Still doesn’t change the facts.

Indeed. I'm told Tommy finally got the message about hard work when he was at Adelaide. Even his first year there was less than impressive. Sometimes people wait until their final chance to wake up to reality. I wouldn't mind having him back now.

 

[StCicatriz]

I haven't heard the story about the borrowed money.

Don't get me wrong I was dirty on Ross leaving like he did but I'm not going to re-write history because he chased the coin (after he'd lost the lot).

re-write history? it was well known at the time. hence why he needed freo to give him such a large amount of money upfront.

nothing stopped ross from being more transparent in his movements. rather than letting st kilda believe they had him secured and even booked the press conference for it.

 

[StCicatriz]

Is that last bit a fact or a rumour on a site like this this? Just out of interest how should he have done it? Maybe we should not have had a clause in the contract.

fact. from memory caro covered it. netters has spoken about it.

i'm suprised you and W2L hadn't heard it.

well for a start he shouldn't have verbally agreed to staying to both his manager and st kilda. that's incredibly poor form. he at worst should have put off all talks and just moved. ideally he sacks his management or openly raises the conflict of interest. hires a new manager or is appointed a new one with the same company and publicly accepts the job.

rather than doing it all by stealth, burning a bunch of people along the way. its extremely unethical.

 

[plugger66]

fact. from memory caro covered it. netters has spoken about it.

i'm suprised you and W2L hadn't heard it.

well for a start he shouldn't have verbally agreed to staying to both his manager and st kilda. that's incredibly poor form. he at worst should have put off all talks and just moved. ideally he sacks his management or openly raises the conflict of interest. hires a new manager or is appointed a new one with the same company and publicly accepts the job.

rather than doing it all by stealth, burning a bunch of people along the way. its extremely unethical.

Ideally he had no option but to stay. Never heard about the money. Probably didn’t care.

 

[StCicatriz]

Ideally he had no option but to stay. Never heard about the money. Probably didn’t care.

its pretty rare when you burn a club and a management company, that makes the AFL CEO publicly criticize you.

 

[VDS66]

Never blew too many sides away in his time though.

Go have a look at results in 09...

 

[plugger66]

its pretty rare when you burn a club and a management company, that makes the AFL CEO publicly criticize you.

Still think the problem of him even thinking about leaving was easily solved. Don’t give him that option. You complain about our ceo. When you have had netters and Archie finnis is a superstar in comparison

 

[Impatient Saint]

Indeed. I'm told Tommy finally got the message about hard work when he was at Adelaide. Even his first year there was less than impressive. Sometimes people wait until their final chance to wake up to reality. I wouldn't mind having him back now.

I dealt with him a couple of times in his VFL days and found he was quite arrogant and cocky. I doubt at that stage with that attitude he would have been on any coaches first picked list. So its no surprise he needed a reality check when he arrived at Adelaide.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Just to get this conversation back on trading, what are people's thoughts about letting newnes and Webster go this off season?
We have back flanks coming out our arse and we could replace both with any of Paton, white, coffield, hind or Langlands.
Theywould be the only back flank/pockets worth anything and really don't improve us very much. Thoughts?

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IMO opinion Newnes is the type of player that could benefit from a change of scenery. I actually rate him as a player, but for me he is too comfortable. With a change of voice and training standards (or coach) IMO he likely goes back to being a very good player. But I am honestly not sure what happens if he stays with us. Assuming the compo we are offered is inside the top 25ish (and assuming he actually wants to go), I have no problem with letting him walk.

JWebb: F**K NOOOOOOOOOO. Not under any circumstances. With Robbo out, he is the only backman we have that can actually hit a target. Solid defensively too. Can we please not confuse having 10 mid / small backmen on the list, with having 10 good HBF options? Webb is a very very reliable AFL defender and is the length of Flemington straight in front of any of the other options we have …

 

[VDS66]

If the club believes it has better options than Newnes coming through and can't guarantee him a game, thener him go.

Otherwise he stays.

 

[Impatient Saint]

It has to said regarding Winx!

Have we taken the right brother or even the right path selecting him over a number of hugely talented midfielders?

Ben to me always looked much stronger through the core and less leggy in his movement and running actions. I understand Max was flying until his injury but it is exactly that which worries me. Could we afford the risk after taking Paddy @ 1 who had failed and then taking another huge risk @ 4 in the draft on a severely injured gangly kid?

It really worries me that with his body he is going to be another huge bust?