List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[pebblesofsand]

I like that he’s got his own YouTube account where he made his own highlights video. Maybe he posts on bigfooty too.

Good thing about that is that he clearly fancies himself - maybe he actually thinks he's worth $400K a year - that then makes it a bigger problem for the Dons. Love it!!!

If the vid timelines are correct he looks a natural for the game.

 

[kernelT]

Worst case scenario is that it will put the cat among the pigeons at Bomberland and they have to pay overs to keep him. I don't mind that at all!!!!!

No… the worst case scenario is that we throw away a future pick and tie up a huge chunk of salary, long term on a player who has never played an AFL game, he then never progresses past being a VFL level player.

 

[The_Snake26]

If we’re going to pay $400k per season let’s just get Goldstein. Proven A grader. I’m sure he’d be happy with 2 years @ $400k as a retirement fund. I’d even give $600k

Tbh i think the media are looking thru lists, seeing who is out of contract and then linking them to us just to create discussion. I find it hard to believe we would offer a bloke $1.7m x 4 years who’s never played a game, coming off an acl injury. That’s amateur hour right there.

Also we don’t have to trade for him. Hold Essendon over a barrel and let him walk to the draft with a price on his head. They f**ked us with Carlisle, time to get one back

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If we’re going to pay $400k per season let’s just get Goldstein. Proven A grader. I’m sure he’d be happy with 2 years @ $400k as a retirement fund. I’d even give $600k

Tbh i think the media are looking thru lists, seeing who is out of contract and then linking them to us just to create discussion. I find it hard to believe we would offer a bloke $1.7m x 4 years who’s never played a game, coming off an acl injury. That’s amateur hour right there.

Also we don’t have to trade for him. Hold Essendon over a barrel and let him walk to the draft with a price on his head. They f**ked us with Carlisle, time to get one back

I think we need to be careful with what is media fantasy and what has something to it. With supporter confidence in the club fading, now is the time that the media will be picking at the carcass with every possible negative angle they can find. Even Tom Morris jumped on last night with a article saying that Carlisle has been a failure of a recruit... apparently he suffered from a form hangover from his year out. I must have missed that when he was one of the few who stood up in a dismal season.

 

[pebblesofsand]

No… the worst case scenario is that we throw away a future pick and tie up a huge chunk of salary, long term on a player who has never played an AFL game, he then never progresses past being a VFL level player.

Lets play the game that we are actually really into him and are determined to get him

Uncontracted and the Bombers (or any other club) won't pay him any where near $1.7m over 4 years for him = Pre - season draft.

Cost = money.

If we can't get a big fish we can spend our money on paying overs for existing players or take punts by paying overs on young players who we reckon will improve exponentially.

Sier, Langdon, any number of GWS players - perhaps we see Draper like that.

 

[CaptainRisky]

They've all got the ability to be important parts of a St Kilda finals side IMO.

Just need a few quality pieces of the puzzle in the middle and a decent coach.

Just a few , obviously we see things differently , Two at most may be in our best side when we are playing finals IMO

 

[The_Steadier]

Lets play the game that we are actually really into him and are determined to get him

Uncontracted and the Bombers (or any other club) won't pay him any where near $1.7m over 4 years for him = Pre - season draft.

Cost = money.

If we can't get a big fish we can spend our money on paying overs for existing players or take punts by paying overs on young players who we reckon will improve exponentially.

Sier, Langdon, any number of GWS players - perhaps we see Draper like that.

Exactly.

I'm amazed people aren't excited by us being linked to a young ruckman with huge wraps on him who we could get for stuff all at the trade table if push came to shove.

Too much money?
Pfft.

We've got a million bucks of salary cap sitting unused this year and beyond because no gun free agents will go near us- while we are dying on field.

That's even BEFORE we lose very potentially all of robbo, mccartin, steven.

Sure- that doesn't mean we just go around wasting money paying sam rowe types 400k just to spend the money for the sake of it.

What it does mean though is we can (actually MUST) be aggressive in using the only advantage we've got (money) in getting more A graders on the list.

Sounds like draper could well be in a very similar boat to Marshall.

Remember him? He's the 20 gamer who is undisputedly our best player.
He was a rookie pick ruckman who came to footy late too.

Geez if we see even half as much potential in draper as we did in marshall, 400k x4 is a risk well worth taking.

That money won't stop us chasing anyone or stop us retaining anyone- why not?

 

[bird_man]

Lets play the game that we are actually really into him and are determined to get him

Uncontracted and the Bombers (or any other club) won't pay him any where near $1.7m over 4 years for him = Pre - season draft.

Cost = money.

If we can't get a big fish we can spend our money on paying overs for existing players or take punts by paying overs on young players who we reckon will improve exponentially.

Sier, Langdon, any number of GWS players - perhaps we see Draper like that.

Who was the last player to walk to the pre season draft after a deal was not able to be done?

It doesn't happen anymore unfortunately. I'm sure the threat would be there, but the afl hate it and a deal always gets done.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Draper move is a great play. We have more cap space than we know what to do with, we need to leverage it. And the reality is it's not going to Coniglio

 

[mightymalaka]

Draper move is a great play. We have more cap space than we know what to do with, we need to leverage it. And the reality is it's not going to Coniglio

Seeing as we are just throwing away money
I propose that the club hire my good self as a specialist forward pocket
Who will do sweet F all as a footballer but i can guarantee i'm good for a spectacular scandal or two
That should put us back on the front pages!

 

[The_Steadier]

Who was the last player to walk to the pre season draft after a deal was not able to be done?

It doesn't happen anymore unfortunately. I'm sure the threat would be there, but the afl hate it and a deal always gets done.

Yes a deal always gets done, but that is only the case because the possibility of uncontracted players walking for no compensation exists.

That possibility forces compromises and deals to get done.


Doesn't mean the team with the more powerful negotiating position doesn't get mostly what they want.

Look at shiel with the bombers last year- dodo was his usual self- adamant they wouldn't do 2 first rounders with a 2nd rounder back type deal (treloar-esque).

He dragged it out, but eventually he caved.

He'd be forced into caving eventually over draper too because he's out of contract and the writing is on the wall that we'd get him eventually if dodo refused to do a deal.

(Unlike with carlisle- Dodo can't try and get other clubs involved to force us to cough up more... because no other clubs would be willing to spend 400×4 on him.)

As long as we were offering something half decent for draper at the trade table (future 2nd or newnes or something)- the money and our presumably lower finish on the ladder would ensure we retained a more powerful negotiation position.

 

[bird_man]

Yes a deal always gets done, but that is only the case because the possibility of uncontracted players walking for no compensation exists.

That possibility forces compromises and deals to get done.


Doesn't mean the team with the more powerful negotiating position doesn't get mostly what they want.

Look at shiel with the bombers last year- dodo was his usual self- adamant they wouldn't do 2 first rounders with a 2nd rounder back type deal (treloar-esque).

He dragged it out, but eventually he caved.

He'd be forced into caving eventually over draper too because he's out of contract and the writing is on the wall that we'd get him eventually if dodo refused to do a deal.

(Unlike with carlisle- Dodo can't try and get other clubs involved to force us to cough up more... because no other clubs would be willing to spend 400×4 on him.)

As long as we were offering something half decent for draper at the trade table (future 2nd or newnes or something)- the money and our presumably lower finish on the ladder would ensure we retained a more powerful negotiation position.

Agree, we'd hold the upper hand, but the post I replied to said he'd cost money only.

A 2nd round pick and $1.7 over 4 years for a guy that was taken in the rookie draft, has never played a game and coming off an ACL sounds excessive to me.

 

[Impatient Saint]

Good thing about that is that he clearly fancies himself - maybe he actually thinks he's worth $400K a year - that then makes it a bigger problem for the Dons. Love it!!!

If the vid timelines are correct he looks a natural for the game.

Thanks yeah he does look a promising prospect. Moves well, his marking and tap work is good and his kicking for a guy new to the game is very good. You have to wonder why we let him slip through?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Just a few , obviously we see things differently , Two at most may be in our best side when we are playing finals IMO

Yeah i don't think we're as far away as many think. There's a lot of important pieces in place, we just need a few key ones to bring it all together.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Agree, we'd hold the upper hand, but the post I replied to said he'd cost money only.

A 2nd round pick and $1.7 over 4 years for a guy that was taken in the rookie draft, has never played a game and coming off an ACL sounds excessive to me.

A 2nd round pick???

If Draper wants the coin then a deal will get done. Maybe a swap of 4th rounders! EAD Dildoro

 

[eDPS]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

Isn't he OOC?

 

[Joffaboy]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

He is OOC, offered 425 x 4 and Essendon have a SC squeeze.

Dildodo can ask for 5 first rounders.

Will get maybe a third and they can chuck in neckbeard as a sweetner.

Dildodo has no leverage.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

His worth is so much less than that. He's OOC, is a rookie draft pick and Zac Clarke was getting picked ahead of him early in the year. Plus coming off an ACL.

If I was Draper though, I'd be staying put. If he comes here he's got to compete with Marshall for a spot, even if it gets sold to him that Marshall will be fwd/ruck. If he stays at the Bombers, that number one ruck role is looking pretty good for him post Bellchambers.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

He's unconctracted at the end of this year and hasn't played a game, a first rounder is a pretty funny suggestion. Nice try Dodo, you won't pull the wool over our eyes.

 

[StCicatriz]

It's a good point actually... everyone is wanting a VFL ruckman as back up and bagging Billy out as a dud.

The only issue with that is that Billy has destroyed every VFL listed ruckman over the past 2 seasons. He is the best 'state league' ruckman available.

We better look interstate!

you must watch a lot of SANFL and WAFL to make that claim. by state league you mean VFL right? if we delist Longer and take on Draper, that means our club disagrees with that comment.

 

[The_Steadier]

Agree, we'd hold the upper hand, but the post I replied to said he'd cost money only.

A 2nd round pick and $1.7 over 4 years for a guy that was taken in the rookie draft, has never played a game and coming off an ACL sounds excessive to me.

The risk of doing nothing is far greater.

We are dead in the water unless we get more A graders on the list.

 

[The_Steadier]

Spoiler alert, Essendon would ask for your first round pick. A usual Dodoro move but the fact that he is contracted, our only young ruck and highly rated at that makes the demand very reasonable imo.

If I’m saints I’m looking elsewhere especially with regards to potentially trading your first pick. A midfielder with speed is such an obvious hole to fill.

He's contracted?

 

[StCicatriz]

LOL.
Saw Zac play against Billy at Sandringham earlier this year.
Wondered how it was possible to have a ruckman that was worse than our Bill.
Essendon apparently found one.

you saw one of zac's, two poor games this year. otherwise he's been injured. arguing over who's better out of zac clarke and longer is like arguing over who's better out of tom hickey or billy longer. they're both not elite AFL ruckman, with major flaws.

but lets looks at them at the same age last year:


so whilst longer is better in the hit out. zac is doing better around the ground. that doesn't make em adequate.

here's Zacs output last year:


they're numbers we could only dream of with Billy, even if you look at his VFL form. the big issue billy has is he's ineffective around the ground. no amount of ruck coaching is going to improve that, when he's 26 years of age. he's not a baby anymore. he's in his prime and he's just not getting it done because he doesn't know how to. it's just not in him. that's why when he drops back to the VFL he's not seeing the numbers Zac got in the above screenshot.

the idea that billy longer is an AFL quality ruckman just doesn't hold up. let alone being the "best state league prospect out there".

people need to realise billy is 26 years of age. he's not 21. he's just not good enough!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Billy would be adequate to retain on the list in case of injury, if we don't find someone else who is adequate with potential for improvement.
( Alabaxis not currently adequate ).