List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[murphster]

Jack Silvagni requests a trade

Says who? I can’t believe that 1 bloke posts this and everyone on here just assumes it’s true, and Sam McLure made a throw away statement and again people assume it’s true, i will be waiting till it’s formally announced before believing anything regarding Jack.

 

[Eiffel 65]

We really should take a close look at Quinton Narkle.

Would be a great fit for us across the half forward line.

 

[Tjblues]

'They' is the AFL, they decide the rules about list numbers.

You don't have a lot of empathy for people who might be losing their jobs

All the more reason to make an informed and well considered decision. Livelihoods are at stake, I wouldn’t want the people charged with deciding my future making a rushed decision

 

[murphster]

I agree, but I have mentioned a number of times, that if we were to acquire all our targets, we may lose a general defender

I think he stays and will split his time HB/Wing

Yeah I suspect they are just nutting out a longer term deal, no way we lose Willo after all the hard graft.

 

[Stamos]

All the more reason to make an informed and well considered decision. Livelihoods are at stake, I wouldn’t want the people charged with deciding my future making a rushed decision

How is it rushing?
The season is already over for 10 clubs. And what information is going to come in the next month that will make them any more informed?

 

[HARKER]

We really should take a close look at Quinton Narkle.

Would be a great fit for us across the half forward line.

I don't see it.
Much sooner put the work and opportunity into Honey

 

[Eiffel 65]

I don't see it.
Much sooner put the work and opportunity into Honey

No reason why you can't do both.

Still need fierce competition for spots.

Need 30+ competitive players on your list to win a flag.

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure why we are worrying about list numbers, every club is in the same boat, no advantage or disadvantage for any club

 

[Gethelred]

Butler wasn't rated either

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... and while Butler's first 10 rounds were the equal or superior to anyone in recent history (averaging 2.1 goals a game, 4.6 tackles), the following 8 rounds were very, very ordinary (5 goals, 24 tackles in 8 games; 0.625 goals, 3 tackles average). He's still the same form player he was at the Tigs, but this time he's their focal small.

Some people are awfully quick to declare a trade a success based on a single season. I mean, if he gets them to a flag this year, then absolutely it's a success within a season, but other than that it's premature.

 

[HARKER]

No reason why you can't do both.
Still need fierce competition for spots.
Need 30+ competitive players on your list to win a flag.

Haven't we got 30+ competitive players on the list already?

I look at it from the point of view; 'Which players make us immediately better?'
I'm not sure that Narkle fits into this criteria.
i.e. I'd sooner use our resources with a little more care.

I may be wrong though and given Papley isn't available Narkle may add value, but he's not a forward.
Gee, Martin and Papley in our forward line would have been something.....oh well....

 

[mochacinolatte]

Not sure why we are worrying about list numbers, every club is in the same boat, no advantage or disadvantage for any club

It be an interesting study to see how list changes affect clubs at different stages.

I would of thought a club going through a rebuild would value bigger list in developing talent, more players on the list = more list of hits? I don't know, interesting to ponder.

 

[Tjblues]

How is it rushing?
The season is already over for 10 clubs. And what information is going to come in the next month that will make them any more informed?

Revenue from finals will be known, we will hopefully have a better idea of the success of our efforts in halting the second wave in Melbourne, we aren’t going to be less informed in a months time.

Not to mention that the AFL made significant layoffs themselves. There’s less people than before performing more work. The notion that they’re being negligent in delaying making this decision is wrong to me.

I know it’s not popular to take the AFL’s side but they’ve got a heap of shit on their plate

 

[Blue and Silver]

... and while Butler's first 10 rounds were the equal or superior to anyone in recent history (averaging 2.1 goals a game, 4.6 tackles), the following 8 rounds were very, very ordinary (5 goals, 24 tackles in 8 games; 0.625 goals, 3 tackles average). He's still the same form player he was at the Tigs, but this time he's their focal small.

Some people are awfully quick to declare a trade a success based on a single season. I mean, if he gets them to a flag this year, then absolutely it's a success within a season, but other than that it's premature.

We are talking role players.

Lonie or whoever isn't going to come in as the star. They are just there to lay tackles, demand a defender and get a few cheeky ones.

Can't expect fringe players to turn in to stars once traded.

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[Gethelred]

We are talking role players.

Lonie or whoever isn't going to come in as the star. They are just there to lay tackles, demand a defender and get a few cheeky ones.

Can't expect fringe players to turn in to stars once traded.

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I agree. My post has more to do with the Butler love-in than it does Lonie.

If we're talking small forwards, I'd prefer we build on what we already have. We need mids, quality disposal, and we need centre square alternatives.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Haven't we got 30+ competitive players on the list already?

I look at it from the point of view; 'Which players make us immediately better?'
I'm not sure that Narkle fits into this criteria.
i.e. I'd sooner use our resources with a little more care.

I may be wrong though and given Papley isn't available Narkle may add value, but he's not a forward.
Gee, Martin and Papley in our forward line would have been something.....oh well....

No, not yet.

When you've got players in your starting 22 that wouldn't be getting a game in any other team, it means your list isn't quite there.

We're on the right track though.

 

[Arr0w]

It be an interesting study to see how list changes affect clubs at different stages.

I would of thought a club going through a rebuild would value bigger list in developing talent, more players on the list = more list of hits? I don't know, interesting to ponder.

That's true, but once a decision is made, it still effects clubs in a similar way, whether it is a hindrance to a rebuild or removing depth from a strong side.

If anything it probably assists with equalization, with some strong depth leaving top sides, finding a place at a lower side, let's say it's a Newnes situation

What will be interesting is what the AFL do with GC, given they already have a list of 51, iirc

 

[Eiffel 65]

Haven't we got 30+ competitive players on the list already?

I look at it from the point of view; 'Which players make us immediately better?'
I'm not sure that Narkle fits into this criteria.
i.e. I'd sooner use our resources with a little more care.

I may be wrong though and given Papley isn't available Narkle may add value, but he's not a forward.
Gee, Martin and Papley in our forward line would have been something.....oh well....

Let me put it this way. If I was a betting man, I'd have my money on Narkle to be the next Butler.

 

[murphster]

If you really want to torture yourself we gave the Sholl pick away for a future 5th rounder and the Finbar pick

I posted this about Sholl before the Adelaide game.

 

[Sector 7G]

It be an interesting study to see how list changes affect clubs at different stages.

I would of thought a club going through a rebuild would value bigger list in developing talent, more players on the list = more list of hits? I don't know, interesting to ponder.

This is why teams should be able to have as many players as they want, just manage your salary cap as you see fit. Would help lower placed teams.

Cutting the list spots isn't going to save that much money in the scheme of things just rookie wages. If anything they should cut the rookie wage rather than number of spots for U22's but pay them a top up for senior games. Straight out of school you are going be happy to play for virtually nothing for your first 2 years.

 

[murphster]

That's true, but once a decision is made, it still effects clubs in a similar way, whether it is a hindrance to a rebuild or removing depth from a strong side.

If anything it probably assists with equalization, with some strong depth leaving top sides, finding a place at a lower side, let's say it's a Newnes situation

What will be interesting is what the AFL do withvGC, given they already have a list of 51, iirc

C’mon Azz it’s Gold Coast the rules don’t apply.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

... and while Butler's first 10 rounds were the equal or superior to anyone in recent history (averaging 2.1 goals a game, 4.6 tackles), the following 8 rounds were very, very ordinary (5 goals, 24 tackles in 8 games; 0.625 goals, 3 tackles average). He's still the same form player he was at the Tigs, but this time he's their focal small.

Some people are awfully quick to declare a trade a success based on a single season. I mean, if he gets them to a flag this year, then absolutely it's a success within a season, but other than that it's premature.

If you are looking for his worst run of form
It 6 goals from his last 7 games .85 goals a game. 10 goals from the last 8.
At a guess I would imagine it’s because he is getting more attention.
Either way he is most likely going to be an AA and at the price they paid it is a huge success.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I posted this about Sholl before the Adelaide game.

It’s a little depressing. Miers annoys me for the same sort of reason.

 

[murphster]

Even if we only added Williams and Saad or Graham, the trade period is a pass. If we added or substituted merret or kelly as well as a moneyball small forward- it is a virtuoso performance.

Shit someone got out of the right side of the bed today, if your happy and you know it clap your hands.

 

[murphster]

Two A graders in their prime and a decent young kid who fills a need is just a pass?

Baby steps

 

[murphster]

I will give it to you now. Talent is 20% of our issue. Culture made up of: desire, ruthlessness, wanting it enough is the 80% we are missing. So it is likely a tick for the talent element but the cultural change is even more important

Oh well it was good while it lasted, all of one post.