List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Gethelred]

I’m not disagreeing with that at all.

Agreed on targeting a player; it’s not necessarily the ‘best’ player, the most prolific ball winner, the typical first receiver.... sometime it may be them, but other times it’s shaping the stoppage, moving the congestion to where they want space to operate.

I think what you’re describing as a singular role would also be shared across several players. I'd look at it as the midfield group being defensively minded at the stoppage rather than a 'pure tag' role (be it around the ground or solely at the stoppage).

I’d be much more comfortable with the Cripps-Setterfield-Silvagni combo at stoppages around the ground than at centre bounces where there’s so much more time and space thanks to 6-6-6. Centre bounces I definitely prefer having a more dynamic player in combination with the ‘big boys’.

It’s all good and well to play to our strengths, like the contested ball, but I’m not sure we should go ‘all in’ and get completely obliterated on the spread every time we don’t win our tap or shark their ruckman.

Like everything, there's always balance, and having flexibility to move between multiple modes or run several simultaneously, depending on how the match is playing out. It's a really interesting discussion, and there's a ridiculous number of permutations that could eventuate, particularly when you start factoring in midfield combinations we could see in 2021 (adding Williams, Setters and Walsh continuing to develop, older heads Ed & Murph, are SPS & Willo moving up the ground, does a Dow/Kemp/O'Brien/Stocker/Fisher/Martin/Fogarty/etc force their way into the midfield group, etc).

What I'm saying is that, by needing to cover multiple different types of player, we reduce our side's offensive ability to perhaps only halve a contest once every few games because the tagging/defensive player in the role is not specialized. Most of the time, the first touch contested mids are big, slow but powerful types; while Neale and Mitchell aren't slow exactly, nor do they truly possess the breakaway pace someone like Danger or Dusty does. In order to sit these players, why not have Jack just become a version of Cam Ling, someone who takes the opposition best clearance winner and forces them to haphazard each and every stoppage?

That way, you gain a greater degree to plan, instead of needing to come up with more eventualities. I don't like the idea of using multiple players as taggers because it's yet another thing they're going to have to learn on top of improving clearances, fitness etc, and very frequently changing dynamic players into meat and potatoes mids is an irreversible thing.

I'd much rather have early Port Wingard than the Hawthorn version.

 

[Wickzki]

AFL list sizes, player wages and salary cap confirmed for 2021

AFL players will have their wages cut by only 3.5 per cent for the 2021 season.

www.sen.com.au

AFL players will have their wages cut by only 3.5 per cent for the 2021 season.

List sizes have also been confirmed, with list sizes reduced from between 38 and 47 to between 37 and 44.

A maximum of 38 players on the senior list, down from 40 this year. Teams will only have to select one player in this year’s draft if they wish.

How do these changes impact us?

How many delistings?

 

[Stamos]

AFL list sizes, player wages and salary cap confirmed for 2021

AFL players will have their wages cut by only 3.5 per cent for the 2021 season.

www.sen.com.au

How do these changes impact us?

How many delistings?

We need to cut at least 1 senior player to take our minimum 1 National Draft Pick. Currently uncontracted senior players are Macreadie (rumoured to be staying), Kennedy and Polson.
Currently uncontracted rookies are Phillips and Moore, and Owies (Cat B).

You would assume that with Owies they were waiting for clarification on list rules to re-sign, or they would have cut him already. Re-signing him for another year will not have any implications on the rest of our list.

 

[Ash24]

We need to cut at least 1 senior player to take our minimum 1 National Draft Pick. Currently uncontracted senior players are Macreadie (rumoured to be staying), Kennedy and Polson.
Currently uncontracted rookies are Phillips and Moore, and Owies (Cat B).

You would assume that with Owies they were waiting for clarification on list rules to re-sign, or they would have cut him already. Re-signing him for another year will not have any implications on the rest of our list.

I would be re-signing Kennedy and Owies first. I'm happy drop Moore if we can pick up a better KPF (seeing Charlie looks highly likely to be missing the start of the season). Polson gets cut for obvious reasons, and Phillips I would keep but if not, I think would just be very, very unlucky. It's tough on a 19 year old kid who spent his first year in a hub interstate. He made some decent progress when moved as a defender, but with the list cuts happening, you've got to do what you've got to do.

Unless with that possible KPF Moore replacement they are also able to back-up ruck, we need to chase a project ruckman in the draft. A key defender would also be very crucial as Casboult would be covering up forward for most the year, and Macreadie/Marchbank are too injury prone.

In terms of small forwards, I think we have enough of those in young guns who fit the mould for now (Fogarty, Fisher, Philp, Honey, Owies). Next trade period we need to go hard on a proven player who can kick 25+ a year, instead of a 2nd/3rd round almost lottery style picked draftee.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Macreadie and Polson the big surprises to me.

 

[smashbox gill]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Was surprised but not surprised about Macraedie. Imo has a lot of talent but has been hampered with injuries. Maybe worth rookie spot.

It seems like we made more list cuts than we thought we originally needed.

Also says Kennedy will be rookied.

does this mean we are taking 4 picks in the draft?

 

[OldCarltonKnows]

Of all those delisted Macreadie hurts the most. Had lots of talent IMO but couldn’t stay on the park for injuries. Shame.

 

[CFC_#17]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Is this the Nick Austin list, no Key position depth.
Our only Key Position depth is Casboult for both ends.

 

[Aphrodite]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

The Club has made a commitment to re-contract midfielder Matthew Kennedy via the upcoming NAB AFL Rookie Draft while Matthew Owies will be retained on the list as a Category B rookie

 

[WeninRome]

Is this the Nick Austin list, no Key position depth.
Our only Key Position depth is Casboult for both ends.

I don't think that Macreadie or Moore offer much in the way of depth. Macreadie is always injured (has an opportunity to prove himself in the VFL now) and Moore is not good enough.

 

[rp84]

Interesting Kennedy to be rookied.

 

[sweethoney]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Macreadie and Polson the big surprises to me.

Kennedy to be re-rookied?

 

[smashbox gill]

Of all those delisted Macreadie hurts the most. Had lots of talent IMO but couldn’t stay on the park for injuries. Shame.

It’s a shame, wonder if we will rookie him. Reports said he started to show a bit at the end of the season. He’s a good size as well and athletic. Imo woulda been worth persisting 1 more year with such a compromised draft.

 

[rp84]

Will it be 2 picks and 2 dfa?

 

[Blue Pride]

Of all those delisted Macreadie hurts the most. Had lots of talent IMO but couldn’t stay on the park for injuries. Shame.

Wonder if he chose to wait and be delisted to go elsewhere as a DFA. Would anyone be surprised if he finished up at* for free(Dodo refusing to trade foe him)

 

[Gethelred]

Is this the Nick Austin list, no Key position depth.
Our only Key Position depth is Casboult for both ends.

Assuming we're drafting someone or picking up one of the delisted. Few KPD's in there.

 

[koutaaa]

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would make sense now. Kennedy being picked up as a rookie might make him hungrier, this could be a big push. His last chance

 

[Sin City]

Is this the Nick Austin list, no Key position depth.

I guess when you look at the club he’s come over from...

 

[Brutalitops]

We need to cut at least 1 senior player to take our minimum 1 National Draft Pick. Currently uncontracted senior players are Macreadie (rumoured to be staying), Kennedy and Polson.
Currently uncontracted rookies are Phillips and Moore, and Owies (Cat B).

You would assume that with Owies they were waiting for clarification on list rules to re-sign, or they would have cut him already. Re-signing him for another year will not have any implications on the rest of our list.

Does our promotion of Gibbons not count anymore?

 

[Sin City]

Carlton confirms additional list changes

The Carlton Football Club has confirmed further changes to its 2021 list.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Macreadie and Polson the big surprises to me.

Polson has been obvious for two years.

I would’ve thought Philips was worth hanging on to.

 

[AT97]

Disappointed with Macreadie decision. Reckon he will be picked up by some club. Good luck to all those delisted.

 

[smashbox gill]

Disappointed with Macreadie decision. Reckon he will be picked up by some club. Good luck to all those delisted.

I can see geelong picking him up, getting his body right and playing games by the end of next year.

 

[Jeremias]

Kennedy to be re-rookied?

Have I missed a new mechanism where he can be transitioned to the rookie list?

 

[bmaurizio]

Will it be 2 picks and 2 dfa?

Yup reckon your correct

 

[Bokan]

Kennedy to be re-rookied?

Have I missed a new mechanism where he can be transitioned to the rookie list?

Presumably it's just a delist and re rookie, but they just haven't phrased it that way

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