List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Jimmyonesix]

They are our point of difference. Mckay Curnow TDK Weitering and jones replacement when he retires are what will help us win a flag, if not multiple. Dont trade your competitive advantage

I heard d king talk this trade talls crap Last night-- you need a spine and age demographics show that curnow Mackay TDK weitering are must keep ..Jones casboult old no value mcreadie BSOS not developed enough to get value from --- we only really have lots of third tall types mcgovern(on his contract probably hard to move) silvagni Kennedy plowman marchbank -- I don't see which talls he thinks we can lose and use a trade collateral .. Maybe silvagni Plowman and marchbank (Buyer beware) are only ones worth something ..

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I heard d king talk this trade talls crap Last night-- you need a spine and age demographics show that curnow Mackay TDK weitering are must keep ..Jones casboult old no value mcreadie BSOS not developed enough to get value from --- we only really have lots of third tall types mcgovern(on his contract probably hard to move) silvagni Kennedy plowman marchbank -- I don't see which talls he thinks we can lose and use a trade collateral .. Maybe silvagni Plowman and marchbank (Buyer beware) are only ones worth something ..

Why we sought out another 3rd tall in McGovern I'll never know. Or at least if I were to guess I'd say it has little to do with what we actually needed

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Why we sought out another 3rd tall in McGovern I'll never know. Or at least if I were to guess I'd say it has little to do with what we actually needed

Maybe they wanted some speed in the forward set up .. but he was never consistent enough to deserve the what he getting..was always 3rd or 4th forward at Adelaide ..I thought at time we would target a small forward small lockdown defender or more mids( none of which wanted to come) .. but his highlight package impressive just not enough of it ..

 

[true blue19]

I heard d king talk this trade talls crap Last night-- you need a spine and age demographics show that curnow Mackay TDK weitering are must keep ..Jones casboult old no value mcreadie BSOS not developed enough to get value from --- we only really have lots of third tall types mcgovern(on his contract probably hard to move) silvagni Kennedy plowman marchbank -- I don't see which talls he thinks we can lose and use a trade collateral .. Maybe silvagni Plowman and marchbank (Buyer beware) are only ones worth something ..

He was talking about trading Casboult

 

[Gethelred]

He was talking about trading Casboult

... who is on year to year contracts and is an UFA. If opposition clubs want him and they offer enough to get him to leave, he's gone and we won't be getting much compo due to age and contract size/length.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Maybe they wanted some speed in the forward set up .. but he was never consistent enough to deserve the what he getting..was always 3rd or 4th forward at Adelaide ..I thought at time we would target a small forward small lockdown defender or more mids( none of which wanted to come) .. but his highlight package impressive just not enough of it ..

I think McKay has similar speed to McGovern. We did get a mid in Setterfield at the same time

 

[Jimmyonesix]

He was talking about trading Casboult

As I said how will that give us currency .. people say we have a great number of talls but in reality we only have what we need other than than three old player who are worth trading Jones casboult kruezer .. lucky time get 3rd compo for casboult ..

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I think McKay has similar speed to McGovern. We did get a mid in Setterfield at the same time

True -- setterfield only a developing mid though - was 2-3 years away .. but point taken

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If De Koning can keep up his form in the seniors for the rest of the season, I can see the logic in letting Casboult go (although would prefer to keep him)

 

[Gethelred]

As I said how will that give us currency .. people say we have a great number of talls but in reality we only have what we need other than than three old player who are worth trading Jones casboult kruezer .. lucky time get 3rd compo for casboult ..

I reckon we talk to another club and the AFL, and try to makey-uppey their compo formula to see if we can trigger a second round pick for him.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I reckon we talk to another club and the AFL, and try to makey-uppey their compo formula to see if we can trigger a second round pick for him.

Do we fall under the expansion club scheme now --- I suppose since all the games are being played outside of Victoria we are an interstate side now

 

[Gethelred]

Do we fall under the expansion club scheme now --- I suppose since all the games are being played outside of Victoria we are an interstate side now

More, we remind them what a successful Carlton could do for their bottom line, and suggest that they sit in on negotiations between Carlton and X-club to 'ensure that Levi Casboult receives a contract that compensates all parties equally'. They'll get the message almost immediately.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Just curious as to what people think. Do you think playing guys like Murphy, Simmo, Casbault, Betts etc are holding back our youngsters (in terms of development)? These guys have been great servants for the club but now I am just thinking what is the best benefit for the club in its current rebuild phase. Let me know what you think.

Marc Murphy - Stays in the side as he still our best i50 kicks. Still ahead of many players going through.
Simpson - Just had a sub-par week. Overal this year his performance has been good.
Betts - As per Simpson comment.
Casboult - Probably needs a few lesson's from Sav to remind him and go through his kicking routine again.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I heard d king talk this trade talls crap Last night-- you need a spine and age demographics show that curnow Mackay TDK weitering are must keep ..Jones casboult old no value mcreadie BSOS not developed enough to get value from --- we only really have lots of third tall types mcgovern(on his contract probably hard to move) silvagni Kennedy plowman marchbank -- I don't see which talls he thinks we can lose and use a trade collateral .. Maybe silvagni Plowman and marchbank (Buyer beware) are only ones worth something ..

He was arguing that we should trade Casboult if we could get a 2nd rounder for him, which could be on-traded to fill some needs on our list.

Casboult is a great backup/depth player for when we have any injuries, which unfortunately is all the time.

There's definitely merit to what they were saying. We are short on smaller, quick, hard running players.

Easiest solution is to trade or retire Kreuzer, Goddard, Finbar and Moore. Replace them with smaller types through the draft, FA and trading of back end picks.

Also note that when Tom Morris brought up Papley in the conversation, no one stepped in to acknowledge he was the missing link in our side. I also strongly agree with Leigh Montagna that we're currently one good midfielder short. To stop opposition momentum, you need to gain ascendancy in the midfield and your defense to hold firm. These areas need to be addressed first.

 

[Ollo]

As far as I understand it, Casboult only has a contract until the end of this year?

If that's the case, I'm not sure how we convince Bulldogs to give us anything for a player that can walk to them for free...

 

[Arr0w]

If De Koning can keep up his form in the seniors for the rest of the season, I can see the logic in letting Casboult go (although would prefer to keep him)

You would let Krooz go and Keep Levi

And with that I would target another young ruck/forward, a young KPD, 2 balanced mids, with elite foot skills

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

He was arguing that we should trade Casboult if we could get a 2nd rounder for him, which could be on-traded to fill some needs on our list.

Casboult is a great backup/depth player for when we have any injuries, which unfortunately is all the time.

There's definitely merit to what they were saying. We are short on smaller, quick, hard running players.

Easiest solution is to trade or retire Kreuzer, Goddard, Finbar and Moore. Replace them with smaller types through the draft, FA and trading of back end picks.

Also note that when Tom Morris brought up Papley in the conversation, no one stepped in to acknowledge he was the missing link in our side. I also strongly agree with Leigh Montagna that we're currently one good midfielder short. To stop opposition momentum, you need to gain ascendancy in the midfield and your defense to hold firm. These areas need to be addressed first.

Which is spot on. We just don’t have enough reliable players through there. Even Cripps isn’t very consistent this year. The other guys like Setterfield, Kennedy ect are good for a quarter or two but just not good enough yet to consistently compete. It may solve itself next year as Setterfield will be at an age where you would expect that he can compete for the length of a game at the very least, That’s if he is going to be good enough and I can’t see any reason why Walsh won’t be able to with another preseason under his belt.
This is why we always come back to Williams, if Setterfield becomes a good player then Williams is perfect off a wing/hb/chopping out in the midfield. If he doesn’t then a midfield led by Cripps, Walsh and Williams should still be extremely competitive if not great. Then with guys like Dow, Stocker, Kennedy, Kemp, Philp, Setterfield, SPS even Martin ect we have enough options to chop out and help that group.
I think people keep on forgetting about Walsh, we didn’t draft him to be anything other then a dominant midfielder. Add him to Cripps and the job is half way done.

 

[Gethelred]

You would let Krooz go and Keep Levi

And with that I would target another young ruck/forward, a young KPD, 2 balanced mids, with elite foot skills

You don't think - given that we've got Levi, Jones, Weitering, Marchbank, Macreadie, Plow, and BSOS who can play in some form or another KPD - that we can perhaps wait a year before looking to draft another KPD?

 

[Arr0w]

You don't think - given that we've got Levi, Jones, Weitering, Marchbank, Macreadie, Plow, and BSOS who can play in some form or another KPD - that we can perhaps wait a year before looking to draft another KPD?

No

Jones or Weits go down long term, we are in trouble

Plow and Marchbank are only 3rd talls, will NEVER be KPDS

Levi is more value forward/ruck, but may only have 2-3 years left

Macreadie has always been injury prone, although has more talent than any you mentioned

BSOS has something, but will he stay?

Planning starts now

 

[HARKER]

Have given it enough weeks where many factors may have clouded the end goal, but it really still comes back to us tending to clear needs -

Papley type makes us immediately better in the forward line.
Williams makes us immediately better in the backline/midfield.

The need to find a KPD is still an important factor, even if it be a not-in-favour 26 year old from another team.
The need to find another ruckman should also be on the cards...
....and the need to develop what we have is the most important thing of all.

To gain serious traction via players Dow, Kemp, Marchbank, O'Brien, Philp, Stocker, TDK and Honey will be more important than for any individual we may gain from elsewhere. Development, development and then more development....is what's required.

 

[Gethelred]

No

Jones or Weits go down long term, we are in trouble

Plow and Marchbank are only 3rd talls, will NEVER be KPDS

Levi is more value forward/ruck, but may only have 2-3 years left

Macreadie has always been injury prone, although has more talent than any you mentioned

BSOS has something, but will he stay?

Planning starts now

Weits or Jones goes down, Levi goes back and we adjust to playing a shorter backline with a greater emphasis on intercepting than on defense or locking down.

Simpson invented their WEagles Web in 2015 because all their KPD's went down. Injuries and list restrictions force conservative coaches to do what they should always be doing anyway, and innovate.

I think eventually we'll be going over to Weitering, with Marchbank and Macreadie playing intercept, and surrounding them with smalls. While teams with second and third talls could be trouble, most teams run a primary threat and some leadup targets; we play one behind the ball, with the mantra for the players not named Marchbank and Macreadie being to keep the balldrop isolated, and to discretely keep their opponents away from the ball. This creates a natural rebound from turnover as these players are all accountable in the moment, and provided we don't hand the ball back immediately, we can kick/handball all the way forward.

Essentially, a Teague/Bolton hybrid game, in which the half backs and half forwards are as important as the key midfielders.

 

[Gethelred]

Have given it enough weeks where many factors may have clouded the end goal, but it really still comes back to us tending to clear needs -

Papley type makes us immediately better in the forward line.
Williams makes us immediately better in the backline/midfield.

The need to find a KPD is still an important factor, even if it be a not-in-favour 26 year old from another team.
The need to find another ruckman should also be on the cards...
....and the need to develop what we have is the most important thing of all.

To gain serious traction via players Dow, Kemp, Marchbank, O'Brien, Philp, Stocker, TDK and Honey will be more important than for any individual we may gain from elsewhere. Development, development and then more development....is what's required.

That sounds almost too specific for you not to have someone in mind.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

He was arguing that we should trade Casboult if we could get a 2nd rounder for him, which could be on-traded to fill some needs on our list.

Casboult is a great backup/depth player for when we have any injuries, which unfortunately is all the time.

There's definitely merit to what they were saying. We are short on smaller, quick, hard running players.

Easiest solution is to trade or retire Kreuzer, Goddard, Finbar and Moore. Replace them with smaller types through the draft, FA and trading of back end picks.

Also note that when Tom Morris brought up Papley in the conversation, no one stepped in to acknowledge he was the missing link in our side. I also strongly agree with Leigh Montagna that we're currently one good midfielder short. To stop opposition momentum, you need to gain ascendancy in the midfield and your defense to hold firm. These areas need to be addressed first.

Yes I get that -- I also believe we are a middle fielder with good distribution by foot short

 

[HARKER]

That sounds almost too specific for you not to have someone in mind.

No one in mind, but what we have as back up aren't either ready or good enough.
Josh Walker for North has been fantastic given his new lease of life in the backline.

Crazy idea I know but...why not try 'our' Moore playing back? He's not a forward but has some tools to play in the backline.

 

[Arr0w]

Weits or Jones goes down, Levi goes back and we adjust to playing a shorter backline with a greater emphasis on intercepting than on defense or locking down.

Simpson invented their WEagles Web in 2015 because all their KPD's went down. Injuries and list restrictions force conservative coaches to do what they should always be doing anyway, and innovate.

I think eventually we'll be going over to Weitering, with Marchbank and Macreadie playing intercept, and surrounding them with smalls. While teams with second and third talls could be trouble, most teams run a primary threat and some leadup targets; we play one behind the ball, with the mantra for the players not named Marchbank and Macreadie being to keep the balldrop isolated, and to discretely keep their opponents away from the ball. This creates a natural rebound from turnover as these players are all accountable in the moment, and provided we don't hand the ball back immediately, we can kick/handball all the way forward.

Essentially, a Teague/Bolton hybrid game, in which the half backs and half forwards are as important as the key midfielders.

It could work as a last measure, but this is why list management is so crucial

The cost for a viable incumbent is minimal, we should ignore this need?