List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[HARKER]

May? Moore would have to put on 10 KG

Wouldn't waste my time trying to make him a KPD, doesn't have the height, skill or body

I know but that wasn't the point.
The point was that is we somehow....somehow.... we had to persist with Moore, it shouldn't be as a forward.

I can see where some of his traits may function in the backline, but maybe not so much so in an AFL team.

 

[Sector 7G]

Jonas would be in the All Australian discussion and he’s sub-190cm.

Having said that, I wouldn’t bother with trialling Moore as a key defender at this stage; I don’t expect him to be on the list beyond this season.

His partner in crime Clurey is 193

Ambrose is 191

I think Moore has a short neck and a good pace/leap so would play taller than his height. Has as much chance of works as LJ before we saw that it could

 

[Jeremias]

So with something expected to fall out of Collingwood following the signings of De Goey and Moore, would anyone here consider Josh Daicos as a small forward?

Out of contract and may not cost much. Has a lot of potential.

100%, he is an absolute jet.

Zero chance he leaves however.

Not much to get excited about coming out of contract at the Pies.

 

[Arr0w]

I know but that wasn't the point.
The point was that is we somehow....somehow.... we had to persist with Moore, it shouldn't be as a forward.

I can see where some of his traits may function in the backline, but maybe not so much so in an AFL team.

No Harks

This debate, for me, was you suggesting we should try him as a KPD

 

[HARKER]

No Harks

This debate, for me, was you suggesting we should try him as a KPD

Here's the starting point - Crazy idea I know but...why not try 'our' Moore playing back? He's not a forward but has some tools to play in the backline.

This is no different to me having suggested that Polson should be trialled in the backline at the start of this season, for the fact he had nowhere else to go.

Do you understand these notions? It's about giving one a last chance and maybe those chances may come to naught, but that's what I see/saw.

No need to try and make something of it that wasn't there. It was just a simple notion. No need for a call to arms.

 

[Arr0w]

Here's the starting point - Crazy idea I know but...why not try 'our' Moore playing back? He's not a forward but has some tools to play in the backline.

This is no different to me having suggested that Polson should be trialled in the backline at the start of this season, for the fact he had nowhere else to go.

Do you understand these notions? It's about giving one a last chance and maybe those chances may come to naught, but that's what I see/saw.

No need to try and make something of it that wasn't there. It was just a simple notion. No need for a call to arms.

Okay, going to set this straight with you before you deflect again

Did you not suggest Moore should be trialled as a KPD?

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Hopefully the club doesn't give up too many future first rounds etc this trade or next as we are gonna need plenty of futures first picks for when Matty Rowell requests a trade to us in a couple of years

 

[DangerousD]

BSOS wont be retained with list reductions IMO. Project backman who haven't set the VFL alight aren't high on any clubs need list, and we'd be smart to just keep him playing for the Northern Blues in 2021, and maybe rookie him if he shows enough. Goddard likely goes too.

I really think we need to start thinking outside the square and target a young athletic young key defender who's had some exposure at AFL level. I posited McAsey a few pages back, and I think it'd be an easy sell with Adelaide on the decline and McAsey being an ex-Victorian Metro player. They are notoriously worse at acclimatising interstate.

Wonder if we could also trial McGovern in defence at some stage? Looked OK when was played there at Adelaide.

Adelaide would rightfully tell us to get stuffed. They also wouldn’t sell him for anything less than they paid, I would be disappointed if we used such high currency on a KPD again

 

[Eiffel 65]

Absolutely 0 chance he leaves. Having a breakout year and is the equivalent of a Silvagni to them.

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100%, he is an absolute jet.

Zero chance he leaves however.

Not much to get excited about coming out of contract at the Pies.

Yea, I really rate him too, but I certainly don't think he's zero chance of leaving.

If you offered 4 years x 400k, I'm not convinced Collingwood would be able to offer anything close to that in order to retain him.

The other thing is they have a few of his type. Elliot, Stephenson, WHE, Thomas, the Brown brothers plus another Daicos coming through the system. Despite having a breakout year, he could be seen as an expendable player.

The difference between earning $200k and $400k with greater contract security means a lot more to someone than the difference between $800k to $1m. Money talks.

Would only cost a 2nd rounder.

Just some food for thought.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Whately on SEN suggesting last nights Melb V Kangas game proved that Brayshaw & Viney can not play in the same midfield, and one will need to leave at seasons end for them all to flourish..

What would we be prepared to give up for Brayshaw.. For me looking at their needs, they need an additional forward to support Weiderman.. So perhaps 2 x first round picks + McGovern.. with a 2nd coming back..

That's a trade we would be laughed at and reminded of every time we say 1 of those kids tearing us a new one. Brayshaw is a good player, but no way in hell worth 2 1sts, especially when this years will be pretty low.

 

[La Dispute]

Adelaide would rightfully tell us to get stuffed. They also wouldn’t sell him for anything less than they paid, I would be disappointed if we used such high currency on a KPD again

Can’t do much if he’s uncontracted at the end of 2021. He’d nominate us, we’d flip Adelaide a mid-range first rounder and that’d be the end of it.

Weitering has turned out as well as we could have expected for a key defender taken with a premium pick. I have no idea why McAsey wouldn’t do the same? He’s a very good read, genuinely multi-positional and athletic. Basically every recruiters dream.

 

[Gethelred]

Yea, I really rate him too, but I certainly don't think he's zero chance of leaving.

If you offered 4 years x 400k, I'm not convinced Collingwood would be able to offer anything close to that in order to retain him.

The other thing is they have a few of his type. Elliot, Stephenson, WHE, Thomas, the Brown brothers plus another Daicos coming through the system. Despite having a breakout year, he could be seen as an expendable player.

He's not going to be offered anywhere near that sort of money at the Pies. The difference between earning $200k and $400k with greater contract security means a lot more to someone than the difference between $800k to $1m. Money talks.

Would only cost a 2nd rounder.

Just some food for thought.

This.

I'd prefer him to Papley.

 

[Eiffel 65]

This.

I'd prefer him to Papley.

Just imagine how filthy Collingwood supports will be when Daicos kicks the winner for our 17th flag

 

[Gethelred]

Just imagine how filthy Collingwood supports would be when Daicos kicks the winner for our 17th flag

It just makes sense.

They have too many who would be demanding too much money to be able to really go deep into their pockets for yet another small/medium forward. Daicos is small, loves a tackle, knows where they are; he has similar attributes to Papley, except unlike Papley he's not going to cost anything near a first rounder.

Either we make them pay through the nose and they have to offload someone to keep him - it'd be interesting trying to get a hold of Tom Phillips too, we need a winger - or we wind up getting a cheap young alternative who will slot straight in.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Looking how cerra Brayshaw serong been playing in the middle last few weeks -- our young mids either are very limited - or our development and midfield staff are very poor ..

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Yea, I really rate him too, but I certainly don't think he's zero chance of leaving.

If you offered 4 years x 400k, I'm not convinced Collingwood would be able to offer anything close to that in order to retain him.

The other thing is they have a few of his type. Elliot, Stephenson, WHE, Thomas, the Brown brothers plus another Daicos coming through the system. Despite having a breakout year, he could be seen as an expendable player.

The difference between earning $200k and $400k with greater contract security means a lot more to someone than the difference between $800k to $1m. Money talks.

Would only cost a 2nd rounder.

Just some food for thought.

Remember his surname...
He isn't going anywhere

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Looking how cerra Brayshaw serong been playing in the middle last few weeks -- our young mids either are very limited - or our development and midfield staff are very poor ..

Just going at different rates. I wouldn't put much weight on it. Dow will get his chance once he puts a body of work together and become a very good footballer.

In saying that... Serong, brayshaw and Cerra should all be asked the question about coming back to victoria

 

[Jeremias]

The other thing is they have a few of his type. Elliot, Stephenson, WHE, Thomas, the Brown brothers plus another Daicos coming through the system. Despite having a breakout year, he could be seen as an expendable player.

They would part ways with all of them before Daicos.

It's a nice fantasy, but in reality he is anything but expendable. They'd view him as untouchable.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Remember his surname...
He isn't going anywhere

Money talks.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Money talks.

Not in this case. He will play his entire career in the black and white

 

[Red Bull]

Can’t do much if he’s uncontracted at the end of 2021. He’d nominate us, we’d flip Adelaide a mid-range first rounder and that’d be the end of it.

Weitering has turned out as well as we could have expected for a key defender taken with a premium pick. I have no idea why McAsey wouldn’t do the same? He’s a very good read, genuinely multi-positional and athletic. Basically every recruiters dream.

Would be great to put it to young Reid again but wouldn’t be quite the same without Silvagni applying the pineapple.

 

[Eiffel 65]

They would part ways with all of them before Daicos.

It's a nice fantasy, but in reality he is anything but expendable. They'd view him as untouchable.

Wonder if Hawthorn felt the same about Josh Kennedy.

They have a surplus of small forwards and can't afford to overpay, especially with Moore and De Geoy looking for lucrative deals.

Their salary cap is bursting at the seams.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Not in this case. He will play his entire career in the black and white

Just like Cameron Cloke?

Nothing's beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Not in this case. He will play his entire career in the black and white

I would say it’s incredibly unlikely, but there are also Shaw’s that played at GWS & Sydney and even a Kennedy that plays a Sydney..

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Wonder if Hawthorn felt the same about Josh Kennedy.

They have a surplus of small forwards and can't afford to overpay, especially with Moore and De Geoy looking for lucrative deals.

Their salary cap is bursting at the seams.

Elliott, Beams, Dunn, Mayne, Varcoe, Greenwood and Reid will all be off their list over the next 2 years. They would have front ended a lot of contracts already. They will find a way