List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Stamos]

Can’t see us having major list changes over the off season.

Right now - the only 2 clear cut delisting are Lang and Goddard.

I see Murphy and Simpson both playing on next year (they’ve spent most of their careers in a struggling team and now we’re finally coming good so I can see them wanting 1 last crack to see if they can end on a real high), particularly if the decision is left to them.

Betts and Kruezer - probably will need to let them both go...just don’t have any room to keep them. May be unpopular.

Beyond this we may need to swap Gibbons and Cottrell onto the main list with BSOS and Finbar moved to rookies.

Not sure what happens with Owies, can he stay in rookie list for another year?

I think we’ll keep Moore as a rookie, he’s provided depth that we need. Also feel the club is happy with Polson and Macreadie.

If we plan to use 2-3 picks in the draft, then it doesn’t leave much for incoming players, assuming Soapy’s mail is correct around not trading out any young guys.

Given the list make-ups for 2021 have not been announced yet, it's too hard to say. There might not even be a 'Rookie List'.
Under current rules, Owies can no longer be a Cat B rookie, and would need to be put on the list proper (Main, or Cat A rookie).

 

[skadoosh]

Right now, we're bemoaning SPS not being utilised as the mid-fielder he was drafted as.
Some of us are also wanting Fisher being played as the midfielder he was also recruited as.
ECurnow is going nowhere any time soon and even though Murphy is still being utilised, it is being pegged back somewhat.

Cripps, ECurnow, Walsh, Setterfield & Murphy have been our midfield mainstays for a good part of this year, with cameos from Cuningham, Martin, Gibbons.....so even if Murphy was to be taken out altogether, how on earth are we going to fit in SPS, Dow, Kemp, Stocker, Fisher, Kennedy, Philp ?
Answer - We're not.

Lots to play out for the CFC to get our best balanced side onto the park next year, even if we didn't recruit any players.
Do it well Austin.

It's actually pretty crazy when you think about it. I think the majority of us would say there's a HUGE level of improvement possible for our team and that we're playing nowhere near our best. Consistency over 4 quarters is something we're slowly edging ourselves towards. After all our bemoanings and frustrations about team inconsistency, players not playing up to standard, players in the wrong position....we're still somehow middle of the table at 6-6 and 100%

On top of that we have players like LOB and Dow, who haven't even played a game yet this year. We've got Curnow coming back in next year(he's no slouch), we've got someone like Kemp coming into the side after his year long out on the sidelines...who could be anything.

EDIT:
The majority of our core team is so young, with at least another good 8 years in the system. The only way is up lads!

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Hate to say this, but Matthew Kreuzer will not be at Carlton next year.

Love the guy with all my heart, but the future is TDK and Pittonet, with list spots at an all time premium, at his age and history of injury problems, we have to part ways.

Why do I feel like I just shot Bambi's Mother?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Hate to say this, but Matthew Kreuzer will not be at Carlton next year.

Love the guy with all my heart, but the future is TDK and Pittonet, with list spots at an all time premium, at his age and history of injury problems, we have to part ways.

Why do I feel like I just shot Bambi's Mother?

There is no reason for him to be on the main list imo. If list sizes stay the same then I would offer him a rookie spot though I actually hope he goes to GWS and gives himself a chance of a flag.

 

[Kramer1]

Kreuzer is one of my all time favourites, so I can't really be unbiased on the matter.

But I'd certainly stop short of calling Pittonet the future...at least not yet. He's been commendable, particularly early in the year, but the last five or six games hasn't offered more than a Phillips or Lobbe when given opportunity. He's not particularly athletic, and not a threat resting forward.

He's been great ROI, but needs to add a couple of strings to his bow to be a long term starting ruck.

 

[Robertio]

There is no reason for him to be on the main list imo. If list sizes stay the same then I would offer him a rookie spot though I actually hope he goes to GWS and gives himself a chance of a flag.

I really hate seeing Carlton champions play for another team, it started with Crosswell then Jezza and Jezza took a couple with him as well.

 

[Bostonian]

Fiorini from GC is another ONB I've always thought could play a bit but hasn't had much of a look in this year at GC.

Knows how to find the pill.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Kreuzer is one of my all time favourites, so I can't really be unbiased on the matter.

But I'd certainly stop short of calling Pittonet the future...at least not yet. He's been commendable, particularly early in the year, but the last five or six games hasn't offered more than a Phillips or Lobbe when given opportunity. He's not particularly athletic, and not a threat resting forward.

He's been great ROI, but needs to add a couple of strings to his bow to be a long term starting ruck.

I think he is long term backup for TDK

 

[HaydossJ]

Fiorini from GC is another ONB I've always thought could play a bit but hasn't had much of a look in this year at GC.

Knows how to find the pill.

Shocking disposal. Pass for me.

 

[HARKER]

It's learned behaviour that can be unlearned.
The amount of excuses on this board to not trade in who is probably the best small forward in the league right now is palpable

We can dress things up any way we want but what we need are impact players.
I'd sooner we reeled in only one impact player than for four top-up players, that make our reserves better.
Some of the names mentioned here would do very little for us, given the stockpile of talent we have kicking the dew at the club right now.

The club knows this and won't be head-hunting 'break in case of emergency' types, other than for our real needs.
Pick up a KPD cheaply that may be on the outer at a club. Pick up a young ruckman that looks to have the goods but lacks opportunity at another club, with a fourth rounder....but let's not waste premium currency on things we have plenty of, just to be able to show we have the most first rounders at a club in history.

If we are to look for a mid, make sure they're quick, can find the ball, can spread, have good ball use and have a track record of being quality....and not a 19-21 year old that hasn't has opportunity at their current club. We have to be astute and to use premium currency, only bringing in players that are definitely better than the ones we have, or types we don't have any of.

 

[BigFrizz36]

So was Martin. He has brilliant traits and he would be a great fit football wise. Could be a massive flog though so that could instantly rule him out.

Not sure that anyone who watches football thought that Martin was soft.

 

[DirkDiggler]

De Goey is not a Free Agent, would likely cost more than Papley

Yep stand corrected. Thought RFA kicked in year 7 not after it. We would have to trade. Would still offer him more than Papley. More upside.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Not sure that anyone who watches football thought that Martin was soft.

Not soft but he was also playing worse then Polec is

 

[katmanblue]

Fiorini from GC is another ONB I've always thought could play a bit but hasn't had much of a look in this year at GC.

Knows how to find the pill.

Doesn't really do much with it when he gets it.

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[katmanblue]

Yep stand corrected. Thought RFA kicked in year 7 not after it. We would have to trade. Would still offer him more than Papley. More upside.

Also more risk because of dickhead factor.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Love the response, pretty much what I was looking for.

You highlight our ability to mix it with the star studded midfields of the competition despite having relatively unfashionable names in there. We aren't
nearly as far off as most on here think. Why are so many banging on about the shortcomings of our midfield, and fighting over which available plodder
we can get to replace our somewhat effective current players and to block the progression of a handful of ultra talented kids we already have.

You laud Kelly yet highlight the issues his club has, a club he is a "leader" of. He is indeed sublimely talented, does he fit our team ethos. If we were to
acquire him by giving up two first rounders, where does he play. You have agreed he does not operate overly effectively in congestion. Do we pay two
first rounders for a winger/receiver, regardless of how good he is? He will not move without a big payday, we have the cap room at the moment, but
will his price compromise our ability to retain our young stars down the track? Blokes like Perryman and Williams have not been experiencing the big
pay cheques of some of their team mates so will appreciate an appropriate, significant rise. What would Kelly expect?

Stuff selling the farm for Kelly or Papley. Appropriate outlay or use the draft to maintain equilibrium with the TPP.

I dont think our midfield is far off it, I agree with you on that. As I said we have less impactful players who work terrifically as a midfield unit and while they may develop into damaging players once their bodies allow it, that isnt the case at the moment which I'm fine with. I think by now we sort of know what type of players we have on the list regardless of whether they are in development stages in the twos or playing regular senior footy. We still lack anyone to replace the class

For the time being I don't see an issue with targetting a player who would clearly be an improvement on most of our mids. People can pick out his occasional game where he doesnt do much damage with the ball in hand, but hes rated elite for score involvements over his entire career and averaged around 400 meters gained most seasons. His record in finals is almost impeccable and consistently hits the score board in big games. At his best he provides one thing we're lacking which is damage by foot.

I think a good question now is what is the harm in paying two first rounders for a quality player? We need senior players with finals experience that will be valuable contributors in their senior years when our next crop comes through and Josh Kelly will probably follow a similar career path to Murph of still having a role to play into his 30s due to his running ability and foot skills.

End of the day tinker with contracts however we can... but two firsts isnt going to kill this team. Paying a premium for a premium player I'm all for(not overs but a fair deal) would love Williams but it would still leave a hole in our list which imo would make a bigger difference to the team making a run to in finals.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Not soft but he was also playing worse then Polec is

One of the primary reasons that north are where they are is that no "Big fish" will go there so they had to take a chance on the likes of hall, pittard and polec Turned out not well.

Please let me know of any players that turned 28 in the year that they were recruited being successful at their fourth club.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

On Jye Caldwell. What do u think the club would be willing to give up for him, cos im pretty sure giants would be wanting a first back at least

 

[Eiffel 65]

On Jye Caldwell. What do u think the club would be willing to give up for him, cos im pretty sure giants would be wanting a first back at least

Out of contract and a massive cap squeeze at GWS. They have no bargaining power.

Our second with maybe a back end pick gets the job done. That's assuming he wants to come to us, which hopefully he does

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

One of the primary reasons that north are where they are is that no "Big fish" will go there so they had to take a chance on the likes of hall, pittard and polec Turned out not well.

Please let me know of any players that turned 28 in the year that they were recruited being successful at their fourth club.

LeBron James was about 34 when he changed teams for the fourth time. If you are closed minded you can miss opportunities.
Polec does what we would hope LOB would do and that cost a top 10 pick. if North indeed did front load his contract then he is a low cost high reward type. In saying that I have no idea about his personality so that is obviously the most important thing.

 

[DirkDiggler]

On Jye Caldwell. What do u think the club would be willing to give up for him, cos im pretty sure giants would be wanting a first back at least

Yep our 1st given our mid tier position on the ladder and a compromised draft. We would probably be hoping for a second or third rounder coming back our way in return. He was drafted at pick 11 and many say without his injury interrupted season would have gone a lot higher. Think I read somewhere he was all Australian co captain with Walsh in the under 16s.

 

[Blueballs38]

We can dress things up any way we want but what we need are impact players.
I'd sooner we reeled in only one impact player than for four top-up players, that make our reserves better.
Some of the names mentioned here would do very little for us, given the stockpile of talent we have kicking the dew at the club right now.

The club knows this and won't be head-hunting 'break in case of emergency' types, other than for our real needs.
Pick up a KPD cheaply that may be on the outer at a club. Pick up a young ruckman that looks to have the goods but lacks opportunity at another club, with a fourth rounder....but let's not waste premium currency on things we have plenty of, just to be able to show we have the most first rounders at a club in history.

If we are to look for a mid, make sure they're quick, can find the ball, can spread, have good ball use and have a track record of being quality....and not a 19-21 year old that hasn't has opportunity at their current club. We have to be astute and to use premium currency, only bringing in players that are definitely better than the ones we have, or types we don't have any of.

completely agree Harks .... whom would you be targeting? And what would you be prepared to lose. picks/salary cap?

 

[mochacinolatte]

On Jye Caldwell. What do u think the club would be willing to give up for him, cos im pretty sure giants would be wanting a first back at least

probably the same pick he was drafted as.

 

[Blueballs38]

LeBron James was about 34 when he changed teams for the fourth time. If you are closed minded you can miss opportunities.
Polec does what we would hope LOB would do and that cost a top 10 pick. if North indeed did front load his contract then he is a low cost high reward type. In saying that I have no idea about his personality so that is obviously the most important thing.

I was watching Norf on the tube a few weeks back with my d*ckhead meter handy .... everytime Polec touched it, which was rare, it went crazy. Think this is further proof that he violates our no d*ckhead policy

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I was watching Norf on the tube a few weeks back with my d*ckhead meter handy .... everytime Polec touched it, which was rare, it went crazy. Think this is further proof that he violates our no d*ckhead policy

If he leaves North then there would have to be big worries. Leaving Brisbane I have no drama with, Doc done the same. Taking a life changing contract that will set him up for life I have no worries with, most players would.
Why is he out of favour at North? That’s the big worry imo.