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[HereComesJuddy]

Why Carlton's recruiting plans are immune from virus

Carlton are planning to be a strong bidder for mature recruits from other clubs this year, despite the uncertainty surrounding the size of the salary cap.

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A guy who can kick 5 straight in the state of origin (yes, definitely wasn't to the standard of yester year but still), sign me up. Papley is definitely what we need up forward

 

[Jeremias]

A guy who can kick 5 straight in the state of origin (yes, definitely wasn't to the standard of yester year but still), sign me up. Papley is definitely what we need up forward

He's a gun, and he'd have a perfect fit for us up forward. It's a massive shame we couldn't get the deal over the line, but we couldn't have done much more than we did.

I'm not sure he'll leave at the end of the year - I have a feeling that ship may have sailed - but if he does want out again we're in a strong position to get the deal over the line.

He'll obviously be a prime target and I expect Wines will be too, but there will be other names to pop up as the year progresses. And it's great to read we're in a position to be able to take advantage of our cap savings yet again just as we did with Martin - thank you SOS.

 

[Red Bull]

He's a gun, and he'd have a perfect fit for us up forward. It's a massive shame we couldn't get the deal over the line, but we couldn't have done much more than we did.

I'm not sure he'll leave at the end of the year - I have a feeling that ship may have sailed - but if he does want out again we're in a strong position to get the deal over the line.

He'll obviously be a prime target and I expect Wines will be too, but there will be other names to pop up as the year progresses. And it's great to read we're in a position to be able to take advantage of our cap savings yet again just as we did with Martin - thank you SOS.

Has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ?

 

[Eiffel 65]

A guy who can kick 5 straight in the state of origin (yes, definitely wasn't to the standard of yester year but still), sign me up. Papley is definitely what we need up forward

That article gives me the impression that Papley isn't on the top of our wish list.

More likely we'll target a FA like Brad Crouch or Zac Williams if we see him as a full time midfielder.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

That article gives me the impression that Papley isn't on the top of our wish list.

More likely we'll target a FA like Brad Crouch or Zac Williams if we see him as a full time midfielder.

Zac Williams as a FA is preferable imo. Crouch would be a welcome addition although im keen for more speed into our team. Hope to hell we dont go after wines

 

[Jeremias]

Has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ?

You mean by anyone other than both clubs, the player himself, his management and every footy media source in the business?

Then no, probably not.

 

[Red Bull]

You mean by anyone other than both clubs, the player himself, his management and every footy media source in the business?

Then no, probably not.

Please show where it has been confirmed that our 1st rounder outright with no strings attached was offered.
Silvagni in his press conference on the night wouldn’t/couldn’t confirm that for a fact and I’ve seen no such official confirmation since ...

 

[Jeremias]

Please show where it has been confirmed that our 1st rounder outright with no strings attached was offered.

Please show me that was your original query.

You asked whether we tried to land Papley. There are plenty of examples of confirmation that we did, from the variety of sources I listed above.

 

[Red Bull]

Please show me that was your original query.

You asked whether we tried to land Papley. There are plenty of examples of confirmation that we did, from the variety of sources I listed above.

Rubbish.
I did not ask whether we tried to land Papley.
That is an obvious given.
I asked, has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ? in response to you saying, we couldn’t have done much more than we did.
To my knowledge, it has never been officially confirmed that our 1st rounder outright with no strings attached was offered.
This would certainly constitute doing more than we did if it wasn’t offered outright and most would deem it a fair price for the elite Papley.
Silvagni had the chance on the night to answer the direct question categorically.
He refused.

 

[Jeremias]

Rubbish.
I did not ask whether we tried to land Papley.
That is an obvious given.
I asked, has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ? in response to you saying, we couldn’t have done much more than we did.
To my knowledge, it has never been officially confirmed that our 1st rounder outright with no strings attached was offered.
This would certainly constitute doing more than we did if it wasn’t offered outright and most would deem it a fair price for the elite Papley.
Silvagni had the chance on the night to answer the direct question categorically.
He refused.

Oh I see where the confusion comes from.

See, when you asked "Has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ?" I assumed you were asking whether it was confirmed we tried to land Papley...

Anyway, we've been through this, and the 'logic' you're using now to be critical of the club is the same flawed logic you used last year.

Every single relevant party has spoken positively with regards to our handling of the Papley situation - the Swans, the player, and his management. It is now well established that the major hurdle here was Essendon and their unwillingness to part with Daniher, a silly stance but as is their right given he is a contracted player.

Sydney's offer to Essendon included our first round pick. If that doesn't tell you that we tried to land the player and the Swans were content with our approach, then not much will.

 

[murphster]

I guess.......I keep telling them, this ain't no disco...........

All you need to do is add a disco ball ffs.

 

[Accidental genius]

did getting martin lessen our need for papley?

hence we focus on pure mids?

 

[Red Bull]

Oh I see where the confusion comes from.

See, when you asked "Has it been confirmed what we actually “did” to try and land Papley ?" I assumed you were asking whether it was confirmed we tried to land Papley...

Anyway, we've been through this, and the 'logic' you're using now to be critical of the club is the same flawed logic you used last year.

Every single relevant party has spoken positively with regards to our handling of the Papley situation - the Swans, the player, and his management. It is now well established that the major hurdle here was Essendon and their unwillingness to part with Daniher, a silly stance but as is their right given he is a contracted player.

Sydney's offer to Essendon included our first round pick. If that doesn't tell you that we tried to land the player and the Swans were content with our approach, then not much will.

I’m not being critical of the club here re the chase for Papley as i along with most, don’t know the facts.
I merely seek official confirmation of what was offered and without it, struggle to see how we here can say that we couldn’t have done much more.
History shouldn’t be written/moulded without the facts.

 

[Jeremias]

did getting martin lessen our need for papley?

hence we focus on pure mids?

Nope. They're not exactly like for like.

If he wants out again at the end of 2020, we would be silly to not throw our hat into the ring. He remains a perfect fit for us.

I’m not being critical of the club here re the chase for Papley as i along with most, don’t know the facts.
I merely seek official confirmation of what was offered and without it, struggle to see how we here can say that we couldn’t have done much more.
History shouldn’t be written/moulded without the facts.

Of course you are. Very clearly suggesting we didn't do enough, and you're using the fact he's not wearing navy blue as absolute proof of that.

I have presented the facts, you're just ignoring them because it doesn't suit your narrative.

It is very clear to all that Essendon and their refusal to let Daniher to go the Swans is the only reason the trade didn't go through.

 

[murphster]

A guy who can kick 5 straight in the state of origin (yes, definitely wasn't to the standard of yester year but still), sign me up. Papley is definitely what we need up forward

Speaking of forwards I just watched some Fev highlights in the afl article about your clubs best forward since 2000, and my oh my but I miss Fev what a prodigious talent he was, I will never forgive the footy show for hanging him out to dry at the Brownlow, such a waste losing him to Brisbane even though we got Henderson out of it, averaged over 3 goals a game the big fella and a great showman when he was up and about, man he could kick a footy why don’t we give him a slab and get him to be our goal kicking coach, could slot them from 60 in his sleep.

 

[Accidental genius]

ok but which one is a higher priority now...papley or a mid? im thinking it may be a mid. if we could land both excellent.

 

[Jeremias]

Speaking of forwards I just watched some Fev highlights in the afl article about your clubs best forward since 2000, and my oh my but I miss Fev what a prodigious talent he was, I will never forgive the footy show for hanging him out to dry at the Brownlow, such a waste losing him to Brisbane even though we got Henderson out of it, averaged over 3 goals a game the big fella and a great showman when he was up and about, man he could kick a footy why don’t we give him a slab and get him to be our goal kicking coach, could slot them from 60 in his sleep.

One of the most talented forwards we've ever seen. Not just at Carlton, but across the entire competition.

He'll be remembered as a phenomenal footballer, but equally if not more so as someone who never got the best out of himself due to his attitude and life off the field.

Currently sits at #30 on the all time goal kicking list, but absolutely had the talent to sit inside the top 10. And he has nobody to blame but himself that he's not there.

 

[Jeremias]

ok but which one is a higher priority now...papley or a mid? im thinking it may be a mid. if we could land both excellent.

Really depends which mid you're talking about, but in general terms I'd still go with Papley.

We have a lot of young midfield talent at the club now, but we don't have anywhere near enough dynamic players forward of centre. Particularly under 190cm.

 

[Red Bull]

Of course you are. Very clearly suggesting we didn't do enough, and you're using the fact he's not wearing navy blue as absolute proof of that.

I have presented the facts, you're just ignoring them because it doesn't suit your narrative.

It is very clear to all that Essendon and their refusal to let Daniher to go the Swans is the only reason the trade didn't go through.

Again, rubbish.
Not suggesting anything, just interested in and requesting confirmation of what was officially offered for Papley which to my knowledge, has never been given.
To state we couldn’t have done much more without knowledge of what was in fact officially offered is to attempt to write history in blinkers ...

 

[murphster]

Zac Williams as a FA is preferable imo. Crouch would be a welcome addition although im keen for more speed into our team. Hope to hell we dont go after wines

Yeah I agree re Wines I think Walsh will go past him in the next year or two and he just doesn’t have enough toe for what we need, although I think Port have him carrying way to much weight for his size so maybe if you stripped him back to between 85-87 kg his speed could be improved, I think at one stage they had him at 95kg which is ridiculous for his height.

Not sure Zac Williams has shown enough in terms of midfield play to justify taking him to play there and we certainly don’t need anymore half backs atm, has he spent much time on the wing? I’m not sure but could be an option as we do need a good ball user on the right side wing and I don’t think Setters is that man, it is definitely a serious need, I think the left wing is covered with Obi4 or even Willo in time plus Newnes who could go to the right but I would prefer someone much better than him. Ramsay could maybe be an option in time or Honey with his athletic background.

 

[Jeremias]

Again, rubbish.
Not suggesting anything, just interested in and requesting confirmation of what was officially offered for Papley which to my knowledge, has never been given.
To state we couldn’t have done much more without knowledge of what was in fact officially offered is to attempt to write history in blinkers ...

Not sure who you are trying to kid here, you have consistently been critical of the club for not getting the deal over the line.

As for facts, you have focused in on one (Papley not wearing navy blue) whilst ignoring many others which impacted the situation, which have been presented to you time and time again.

Nobody is attempting to re-write history here. Just reiterating the absurdity of ignoring the many facts in front of us.

 

[Red Bull]

Not sure who you are trying to kid here, you have consistently been critical of the club for not getting the deal over the line.

As for facts, you have focused in on one (Papley not wearing navy blue) whilst ignoring many others which impacted the situation, which have been presented to you time and time again.

Nobody is attempting to re-write history here. Just reiterating the absurdity of ignoring the many facts in front of us.

Again, rubbish.
I have not consistently been critical of the club for not getting the deal over the line.
How could i, i along with most don’t know what was officially offered.
I have though, consistently requested confirmation of what was officially offered for Papley.
You may be better served reading the posts as against just reading the poster.

 

[Jeremias]

Again, rubbish.
I have not consistently been critical of the club for not getting the deal over the line.
How could i, i along with most don’t know what was officially offered.
I have though, consistently requested confirmation of what was officially offered for Papley.
You may be better served reading the posts as against just reading the poster.

I've read the posts. Many times. And just as many times I've pointed out how they fall well short when it comes to the application of logic.

We will never receive confirmation of what exactly was offered, requesting it is absurd as is criticising the club for not divulging as it will likely never come to light. This isn't the little league or an amateur organisation we're talking about.

What we do know is that what we offered was sufficient in isolation. Sydney offered our pick as part of the Daniher trade, so that conclusion is accurate and obvious.

Unless you choose to ignore it.

 

[DangerousD]

Of course you are. Very clearly suggesting we didn't do enough, and you're using the fact he's not wearing navy blue as absolute proof of that.

Unless you know exactly what we offered, then its impossible to say that we couldn't do anymore. Did we offer more than our first rounder, if not, why not? Was Papley worth more than our first rounder, whilst SOS may have put a maximum offer to the Swans, who is to say that another list manager wouldn't have offered a lot more?

These are the ins and outs that interest me, pick 9 on its own is fair value for Papley, give or take a few spots, but to say that we couldn't have done more, is not true, we could have offered two first rounders, an extra second rounder, or many other combinations.

The only facts are, that Papley wanted to get to the Blues and didn't, the rest are interpretations and opinions.

 

[Red Bull]

I've read the posts. Many times. And just as many times I've pointed out how they fall well short when it comes to the application of logic.

We will never receive confirmation of what exactly was offered, requesting it is absurd as is criticising the club for not divulging as it will likely never come to light. This isn't the little league or an amateur organisation we're talking about.

What we do know is that what we offered was sufficient in isolation. Sydney offered our pick as part of the Daniher trade, so that conclusion is accurate and obvious.

Unless you choose to ignore it.

You can push your desired narrative till the cows come home.
If it’s what you want to believe, then of course, you will.
Confirmation of our offer for Papley would though help many decide, in their opinion, if we indeed could or couldn’t do much more to land him ...