List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[AT97]

No Walsh DJ ?

amazing what a difference 2 games can make for a 19 yr. ....chocolates to boiled lollies it seems.

 

[HARKER]

Really? Essentially all we have done in 5 years is change the age profile. The quality of the list is still very much questionable bar about 10 - 12 players. The major problem I have with it is that Kruezer, Simpson and Murphy are still on it.

That problem will go away, soon enough

The reason I say that the list isn't in bad shape is because we have players but we just aren't maximising their effectiveness right now.
The pieces are in the wrong places and we sometimes have too many of this piece and not enough of that.

Put the queen in the wrong position on the chess board and you're in trouble.
Put any piece out of the boundaries of their ability and you have a problem.

We have quality on this list but I just feel we haven't the synergy just yet. Will we attain this synergy? I don't know.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

SPS, Stocker, Setterfield and Gibbons should all be playing midfield starting the next game. But they wont.

is Jack injured? I would give him a shot at a midfield position.

Lang should never wear the CFC jumper again, he must train the house down because Teague was bullish on him yet on game day he doesn’t get near it.. Missing Papley & Conglio has set our development back soooo much..

 

[Arr0w]

Absolutely should have taken Cerra in that draft. I argued for it at the time.

I wanted Cerra too, but Dow will be fine once he understands his limitations

At the moment he is trying to hit targets with precision, when he should adopt Dangerfield characteristics/style, a player that is also average by foot

See ball, get ball, bang it long to a forward 50 contest

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I wanted Cerra too, but Dow will be fine once he understands his limitations

At the moment he is trying to hit targets with precision, when he should adopt Dangerfield characteristics/style, a player that is also average by foot

See ball, get ball, bang it long to a forward 50 contest

Judd was also quite ordinary by foot but played the % with his kicks and became so dangerous.. Paddy doesn’t appear to ha be the smarts to do this, but let hope he matures.

 

[Jeremias]

I disagree on both counts. That's a funny thing about opinions . They differ.

They do, and everyone is entitled to their own, as warped as they may be.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

It's probably been mentioned but we do get monstered by good big ruckman.

Gawn in the first half yesterday, Goldstein in that North match last year.

Can TDK be that type of player or do we find one ?

I’m very confident in the next two seasons TDK will start to become a very good ruckman who can play as a strong marking key forward also...
Has the potential to become a top liner, he’ll go straight past Pittonett...

 

[Eiffel 65]

It's probably been mentioned but we do get monstered by good big ruckman.

Gawn in the first half yesterday, Goldstein in that North match last year.

Can TDK be that type of player or do we find one ?

Pittonet was beaten in the first quarter and probably early in the second too, but found his feet from then on.

If you take out the first 30 minutes of game play, the ruck contest between Gawn and Pittonet was pretty much even.

There was always going to be an adjustment period given Pittonet has predominately played VFL.

As the game went on, Pittonet provided a lot of value in standing behind the ball and plugging holes in defense. When he hits his peak, I think his game will resemble Ben McEvoy's.

Big call, but in two months time when Kruezer is fit and available for selection, I think Pittonet will be the preferred ruckman and get the nod for senior selection over Kreuzer. We will be facing a similar dilemma to that of the Adelaide Crows with Reilly O'brien and Sam Jacobs.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I’m very confident in the next two seasons TDK will start to become a very good ruckman who can play as a strong marking key forward also...
Has the potential to become a top liner, he’ll go straight past Pittonett...

Absolutely believe TDK should be the third tall already. Gov would go to play defence like his brother. Mitch is a defender IMO.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

That problem will go away, soon enough

The reason I say that the list isn't in bad shape is because we have players but we just aren't maximising their effectiveness right now.
The pieces are in the wrong places and we sometimes have too many of this piece and not enough of that.

Put the queen in the wrong position on the chess board and you're in trouble.
Put any piece out of the boundaries of their ability and you have a problem.

We have quality on this list but I just feel we haven't the synergy just yet. Will we attain this synergy? I don't know.

I don't disagree with your reasoning. Im unconvinced the list is in the shape it should be after 5 years. I want to believe SOS drafted the right players, but Im not convinced he did. I feel like I keep watching the same movie over and over. I guess all I can do is hope for a better showing against Geelong.

 

[DangerousD]

Walsh has no pace or power.

No pace and no power, yet you can tell a player who has never played a single game of AFL or VFL for that matter, will be in our starting midfield?

 

[DangerousD]

Thought this compariosn between Daniel Rioli and Cuningham made interesting reading.

Daniel Rioli and David Cuningham AFL Stats Comparison

Daniel Rioli and David Cuningham AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

It makes interesting reading, until you realise just how injury prone Cunners is, the only thing holding him back is his body, not being able to play consistently I’m sure would have hindered his development.

Hopefully he can put some of those concerns to bed This year.

 

[thylacine60]

bloke

No pace and no power, yet you can tell a player who has never played a single game of AFL or VFL for that matter, will be in our starting midfield?

poster has already shown he has psychic powers - foresaw charlie's injury issues by just looking at his knees pre-career...........

 

[Weiterbot23]

Cogs is exactly what we needed, that is a dagger from the AFL right through the heart.

Murph and Ed can't play in the midfield together simply too small.


We need a powerful, fast and skillful mid.

Offer Bailey Smith everything we have in the bank account and put 2x first rounders on the table for him.

Being an old Xavs boy it would kill him being in the Western Suburbs.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Absolutely believe TDK should be the third tall already. Gov would go to play defence like his brother. Mitch is a defender IMO.

No doubt he could be a good third tall defender in the Jeremy Howe role, i think for the now he’s more important for us forward particularly with Charlie out, his had a chequered career injury wise but he looks like Russell has him in rippin shape, consistency has been his downfall...

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Has some nice attributes but they're not worth much if you can't find the pill.

Could never get more than 15 touches or so as a mid. Would get <10 touches as a forward. Defensive efforts questionable too.

If you're discussing Dow, these were his possessions per game in 2019:
21, 23, 14, 20, 17, 16, 15, 20, 11, 14, 21, 12, 9, 7, 7, 8, 4, 19, 13
1st half of the season was pretty damn good but dropped off towards the end. I still think this kid will be something special

 

[jpfalvo]

I don't disagree with your reasoning. Im unconvinced the list is in the shape it should be after 5 years. I want to believe SOS drafted the right players, but Im not convinced he did. I feel like I keep watching the same movie over and over. I guess all I can do is hope for a better showing against Geelong.

Its not the drafting so much, im ok with that, its the trading thats the issue




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[norway blue]

I wanted Cerra too, but Dow will be fine once he understands his limitations

At the moment he is trying to hit targets with precision, when he should adopt Dangerfield characteristics/style, a player that is also average by foot

See ball, get ball, bang it long to a forward 50 contest

Yep with front and centres. Read / visualise the game.


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[Elmer_Hauser]

Its not the drafting so much, im ok with that, its the trading thats the issue




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Player development is still my ongoing concern, top 10 picks like Dow and LOB really should have come on better than what they have by now.

This has been an ongoing problem at this club for many years, from Shane O'Sullivan through to Wayne Hughes, Rodgers, SOS etc.
Obviously not all of Silvagni's picks are hits, but honestly given the meagre resources of the Northern Blues and our VFL development over the past 15 years, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

The Geelong model of young player development is something the thinktank/board of this club needs to study extensively and hopefully emulate.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Walsh will be the greatest winger of all time. His endurance And repeat efforts is what makes him good.. getting in tight and getting physical is not his game .. he can gave 30 Plus off a wing receiving and impactng contests around the ground from the outside for 12-15 years .. what he was trying to do on he weekend Isn't him..

 

[Jeremias]

Its not the drafting so much, im ok with that, its the trading thats the issue

Reckon SOS has had a very good record on the trade table.

Had some misses, sure, but every single person in his position has and will be the same.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

If you're discussing Dow, these were his possessions per game in 2019:
21, 23, 14, 20, 17, 16, 15, 20, 11, 14, 21, 12, 9, 7, 7, 8, 4, 19, 13
1st half of the season was pretty damn good but dropped off towards the end. I still think this kid will be something special

Yes hard to get high possesion in a pocket -- dow is our most natural young mid .. If he got rotations with a danger field Duncan -- pendelbury treloar -- shuey Yeo --plus Plus -- we would all talk differently about him - also he has had no great player outside him either -- we been playing kids on the Wing or mutton chops we got for free

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

If you're discussing Dow, these were his possessions per game in 2019:
21, 23, 14, 20, 17, 16, 15, 20, 11, 14, 21, 12, 9, 7, 7, 8, 4, 19, 13
1st half of the season was pretty damn good but dropped off towards the end. I still think this kid will be something special

....and was still only 19yo last season, turned 20 last October. If we can develop him to his potential, he could be special.
There are some real comparisons at a similar age....

 

[Blue1980]

Unfortunately, we are still exactly where we were in 2015. The '66 game rebuild' we were sold was the biggest crock of shite of my lifetime.

We finished 2015 with an average age of 24 yrs 362 games. Our team featured young stars - 20-year-old Patrick Cripps and 21 year-old Sam Docherty, and some other underperforming high draft picks in Kane Lucas, Troy Menzel, Matthew Watson and Blaine Boekhurst. We had Kreuzer (26), Gibbs (26) and Murphy (27) as a fairly strong core in their primes, alongside others like Ed Curnow (25), Lachie Henderson (25), Zach Touhy (25), Dale Thomas (27), Liam Jones (24) and Chris Yarran (24). There were some veterans probably on their last legs (Simpson, Carazzo, etc) and a need to bring some fresh blood in, but that team wasn't THAT far off the pace. Malthouse had lost the players, but there was plenty there.

Our round 1 2020 team had an average age of... 25yrs 317 days - almost a full year older. In the under 23 bracket we have... Sam Walsh (looks to have regressed after a strong start), Charlie Curnow (back-to-back knee injuries), and then... a bunch of high draft picks who range from decent enough - Weitering, McKay, Petrevski-Seton to a lot of names who are showing very little to say they will be any more successful than the previous crew (Dow, O'Brien, Stocker, Setterfield, etc all in that range). We have a 25 year-old Cripps, a 26 year-old Docherty coming back from two knee injuries, and a few other serviceable blokes in the 25-27 range - Martin (25), Plowman (25), McGovern (25). We've still got an ageing core on their last legs (Kreuzer, Simpson, Murphy, Curnow, Casboult, Jones all hitting 30+).

Our midfield is still heavily dependent on Cripps, Murphy and Curnow. The only young player really contributing as a midfielder is Walsh... other other young midfielders aren't showing much, and we whiffed on the 'big name' recruits that might have made us competitive.

Oh well: we do have a solid enough young base to add to. It might just be a case that we need our 'Selwood' -that final lucky draft pick who is an immediate star that rounds things out and kicks us into gear. But I don't think the pain of list management is over by a long shot...

Agree with much of that, there’s no real evidence to suggest we are any better off than we were in 2015 really, it’s all just speculative.

We won 7 games in 2014 and finished the season better than we began it like last year, but dig deeper and the wins in 2014 were like the later wins in 2019, off the back of older guys mainly.

People who see us rising to top 4 with this crop I think are going to be very disappointed, we need to significantly add to it to even be a regular mid table team.

It’s not helped by the fact we aren’t a destination club because we can’t get out of the bottom 3-4.

 

[Jeremias]

It’s not helped by the fact we aren’t a destination club because we can’t get out of the bottom 3-4.

My most hated term in football.

It's just not true.