List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[new_blue]

Interesting comments regarding our trade attempt on Tom Papley. Sounds extremely unlikely now.

Maybe we could have managed that process better last year, but don’t think it changed the outcome. Sydney weren’t wiling to deal...not sure engaging them earlier would have changed that.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Still got no idea what he is on about. How do you play your hand too early?

The Swans and Papley's management were caught off guard by the situation.

They weren't expecting to lose him and he was considered an important part of their structure.

Also impacts their ability to find a suitable replacement too.

Players wanting out is a delicate situation. You need to time the release of information to condition people leading into the trade period.

He's suggesting that we could have done this better.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Swans did however bring in a couple of potential replacements during the trade period.

 

[Jeremias]

Interesting comments regarding our trade attempt on Tom Papley. Sounds extremely unlikely now.

“I couldn’t fault Carlton, they were transparent when the process started on the lengths they would go to in order to get a trade done for Tom and understood the challenges given the high value that Sydney placed on him,” he said.

“They couldn’t have done any more.”

The above from Papley's manager in the direct aftermath of the trade period.

Each to their own, but I'm going with Papley's manager on this one well before a gutter journalist.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Inclined to believe with each passing week that Cal Ward is gettable from GWS at season's end, Giants have a treasure trove of young, dynamic mids (Tom Green been the latest one) and you would think they need cap space to re-sign Jeremy Cameron and Zac Williams.

Bloke is hard as nails and is a great on field leader and could be acquired without giving up too much.

 

[Eiffel 65]

“I couldn’t fault Carlton, they were transparent when the process started on the lengths they would go to in order to get a trade done for Tom and understood the challenges given the high value that Sydney placed on him,” he said.

“They couldn’t have done any more.”

The above from Papley's manager in the direct aftermath of the trade period.

Each to their own, but I'm going with Papley's manager on this one well before a gutter journalist.

That's a politically correct statement you have to make to the media.

Doesn't necessarily represent what he's actually thinking.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The Swans and Papley's management were caught off guard by the situation.

They weren't expecting to lose him and he was considered an important part of their structure.

Also impacts their ability to find a suitable replacement too.

Players wanting out is a delicate situation. You need to time the release of information to condition people leading into the trade period.

He's suggesting that we could have done this better.

How’s that got anything to do with going too early? That sounds more like the opposite.

 

[new_blue]

I know Josh Honey’s been compared to every player under the sun, but the more I watch his highlights the more I’m convinced in his likenesses to Luke Shuey, even has the same kicking style.

See Luke’s YouTube highlights from 2011.


I’m convinced he’s going to be a good player for us.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Hard to imagine Adelaide went into a grand final as flag favourites just three years ago with a midfield of Crouch, Crouch, Sloane and Atkins and MacKay on the wings. There is so much more to a good team and building a side then just the names on paper. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a side fall apart to such an extent because of a failed culture. (I’m not even sure culture is the right word)

They had prime eddie betts and charlie cameron. The importance of small forwards in modern footy is still so underrated. IMO it's the reason giants won't win a flag despite being completely stacked for talent in every other position. It's the reason collingwood went from a nothing team to contender in 2018 (de goey & stephensen)

If papely is gettable even for 2 first round picks we need to do it.

 

[Eiffel 65]

How’s that got anything to do with going too early? That sounds more like the opposite.

Well, he said that his manager and the Swans didn't know about the situation, so maybe information leaked to the public before they were informed of what was going on.

To be honest, this sounds very similar to the Bryce Gibbs debacle.

This stuff probably happens all the time with players, but gets put in the spotlight when a deal falls through.

 

[Jeremias]

That's a politically correct statement you have to make to the media.

Doesn't necessarily represent what he's actually thinking.

No it isn't. Managers don't have to make friends with the media and there are plenty of examples of managers speaking up against journalists.

Just look at the past week when McGovern's manager responded to Ricciuto's comments.

Literally everyone involved in the situation who has gone on record in the aftermath praised Carlton for how they handled the situation.

Papley's manager as above. Sydney from memory also were complimentary, and they were certainly comfortable with negotiations with us given our pick was involved in the trade they offered Essendon for Daniher.

It seems only Sam McClure holds a different opinion. And as I said, you're welcome to believe him, but given he has a history of making shit up to get his name in lights, I'm inclined to suggest he's talking shit.

 

[HARKER]

That's a politically correct statement you have to make to the media.

Doesn't necessarily represent what he's actually thinking.

Now we're entering the sphere of the unknown 'But what was he really thinking?'

He made a statement that had little to do with PC, but more a representation of facts, whether that be 10%, 50% or 100%
He didn't even need to make that statement, if it wasn't the case. There was no ambiguity about what he said.
He sure went the long way around to ultimately state; "They couldn't have done any more".

His word over a journalists, much more often than not.

 

[Gethelred]

Crouch boys no thanks they get nothing disposals and dont impact a game.

Williams from GWS yes please has speed, can get it and disposal is good.

Be shocked if Port let Wines go with Boak, Rockliff and Ebert all in their 30's it wouldnt make sense to let Wines leave.

See, this is what isn't adding up to me, because you're absolutely right.

So, why is he on the outer and contemplating leaving? Why aren't they courting him to keep him around? What aren't we seeing about this? Why did he go from one of the most highly credentialed inside mids in the comp and a team captain to apathetic, too heavy, captaincy removed and on his way out?

We have a current captain on our list who left his club to play for us. He had issues with the captain at the time; that player is now at Port. Said player is said to be awful to work with. I don't know anything beyond rumour or hearsay but this smells to me, and Rockliff drove 4 highly credentialed youngsters away from his club, all of whom have had better than average careers since.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Well, he said that his manager and the Swans didn't know about the situation, so maybe information leaked to the public before they were informed of what was going on.

To be honest, this sounds very similar to the Bryce Gibbs debacle.

This stuff probably happens all the time with players, but gets put in the spotlight when a deal falls through.

We may have played it the wrong way but I can not for the life of me see how we played our hand too early.

 

[btdg]

is jsos a lock in forward group in future?

if we get a papley type and philp stars and cements a forward position and we get a decent mid which will mean martin will also line up on forward line and we get charlie back where does jsos play?

for example we could have the following set up:

papley (eddie) mackay gov (philp)
martin charlie (cas) cunners

other current options: jsos kennedy lang

There’s multiple ‘if’s’ in the question including us getting a high value trade target AND a rookie who hasn’t yet played even a vfl game ‘starring‘...

but playing along for a bit... in that scenario, why is McGovern a lock? Surely his 7 disposals and 1 goal per game aren’t required, and if that’s the lineup, Silvagni’s tackling and versatility are needed more than McGovern’s occasional contested mark (which McKay and Curnow have more than covered)

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Well, he said that his manager and the Swans didn't know about the situation, so maybe information leaked to the public before they were informed of what was going on.

To be honest, this sounds very similar to the Bryce Gibbs debacle.

This stuff probably happens all the time with players, but gets put in the spotlight when a deal falls through.

Maybe he has been fed info for this story by one of the stakeholders (perhaps us) to dampen expectations ahead of later negotiations.

 

[Accidental genius]

There’s multiple ‘if’s’ in the question including us getting a high value trade target AND a rookie who hasn’t yet played even a vfl game ‘starring‘...

but playing along for a bit... in that scenario, why is McGovern a lock? Surely his 7 disposals and 1 goal per game aren’t required, and if that’s the lineup, Silvagni’s tackling and versatility are needed more than McGovern’s occasional contested mark (which McKay and Curnow have more than covered)

Mcgov can mark and kick though and has the smarts to swing games. Does need to work harder but ceiling is higher than jsos imo unless Jack starts marking overhead. That is the key for jack...overhead marking.

 

[btdg]

Mcgov can mark and kick though and has the smarts to swing games. Does need to work harder but ceiling is higher than jsos imo unless Jack starts marking overhead. That is the key for jack...overhead marking.

JSOS was better in every statistical category last year except goals (including marks) despite being 3 years younger.

I just don’t see why McGovern is considered so untouchable given he is 26 and his 2 best (only?) attributes are skills we have elsewhere in spades via Casboult, Curnow, McKay, even hopefully at some point TDK. In a league where teams are going faster and smaller it seems crazy to play a mark/kick guy who only gives you 1.5 goals per game and does nothing else...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

JSOS was better in every statistical category last year except goals (including marks) despite being 3 years younger.

I just don’t see why McGovern is considered so untouchable given he is 26 and his 2 best (only?) attributes are skills we have elsewhere in spades via Casboult, Curnow, McKay, even hopefully at some point TDK. In a league where teams are going faster and smaller it seems crazy to play a mark/kick guy who only gives you 1.5 goals per game and does nothing else...

McGovern at Adelaide was known for his forward pressure but we haven’t really seen much of that for the blues which is disappointing.
Jack atm is a forward who isn’t a real goal kicking threat.
I think the biggest positive of having McGovern in the side is that he spreads the defenders. SOJ can pretty much be ignored.

 

[Curnivore]

I want Wines and Papaly. Top 4 with our current depth if we add them imo.

 

[Bleez40]

Jy Simpkin's development is giving me a lot of hope for Dow. Simpkin had similar issues with consistency and finding enough ball earlier in his career but has the strengths like and pace and power that Dow has. Hopefully Paddy can show us a bit more this year to show us that he can be the mid we need.

 

[thylacine60]

How a Hawk ruck logjam delivered the Blues a giant bargain

Carlton's Marc Pittonet is making a big impression at his second AFL stop

www.afl.com.au

 

[AcesnEights]

I want Wines and Papaly. Top 4 with our current depth if we add them imo.

Papley yes Wines don't know

 

[Gethelred]

Papley yes Wines don't know

We have a habit on this board of putting potential targets down, regardless of how good they are or how much we need their services. Take, for example, Shiel two years ago: more than half the board didn't want him, despite him immediately being our second best midfielder if he came.

We can do this for pretty much every player you care to mention that we've targeted over the last 5 years. This irritates me, because a) I'm hugely into Wines, as I feel he'd add a lot to our ones, the least of which would be the fact that opposition couldn't shut us down by clamping on Cripps, and b) he's clearly heavier than he needs to be, due to Port's obsession with massive midfielders.

We need to jumpstart our midfield. Papley doesn't do that, short of us robbing Peter to pay Paul and playing him as a mid. Wines and Williams accomplishes that, where Papley - like most small forwards, regardless of how well credentialed - is icing.

 

[Blue Razor]

Question for all of us armchair list managers:
If all things were equal (length/$ of contract) and we could choose between them, would you prefer Saad or Z. Williams at the Blues? And why?

if equal (length/$ of contract) i would go Williams