List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Own The Future]

Slightly off-topic, but each week I watch the more and more convinced I am that Setters genuinely has a chance of being a full-blown A-Grader. He is absolutely fierce at the stoppages, good inside and a fantastic tackler, evident by having 6 and 10 the last two weeks. He's also incredibly damaging with his disposal too, always finds a good option, whether it's with a handball or a kick. He could give Crippa a run for his money for best handpasser at the club.

I'm also starting to see the Pendlebury comps he was receiving in his draft year, he's showing that intangible skill to somehow find time and space where there should be none that Pendles has nailed down to a fine art.

He's only averaging 14 disposals a game this year, which is actually down from last year, but I don't think anyone has really noticed since all of his possessions are that much more impactful. Imagine if he can get up to around 23-25dpg, which is very possible if he keeps spending all of his time on ball.

Only played 28 games, which is easy to forget considering how long he's been around. Imagine how ******* good he'll be once he hits 50, and by 100 it would not shock me if he's a borderline AA. Absolute gun.

Totally agree with you.
Have been SO impressed with his play the last few weeks. The extracting, the tackling, the vision. The handball to Walsh that led directly to his goal was sensational.
I know I bang on about this a fair bit, but Setters is proof that when you put players in the position in which they excel, the results usually follow. Gibbons is the next I hope gets the same treatment. He is a tad undersized to be an inside mid, but that’s where he plays his best footy - as is evidenced by his multiple VFL B&Fs. Kennedy is another example of late.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Can not believe people wanting to trade 2 x 1st rounders/a 1st and Stocker for a small forward

Staggering really

I think it’s just a difference in perceptions. Yes he is a small forward but he is also the best goal kicker in the game atm. I also look at someone like a small forward Rankine who at pick 2 will bE more expensive then our two firsts yet is only classed as one first. Personally whatever we give up for him picks wise I really don’t mind. Talk of him getting anything over $800k I think is crazy. For me I’d be expecting $700k which is absolutely top end and anything over $750k makes the picks the least of our worries imo

 

[Arr0w]

I think it’s just a difference in perceptions. Yes he is a small forward but he is also the best goal kicker in the game atm. I also look at someone like a small forward Rankine who at pick 2 will bE more expensive then our two firsts yet is only classed as one first. Personally whatever we give up for him picks wise I really don’t mind. Talk of him getting anything over $800k I think is crazy. For me I’d be expecting $700k which is absolutely top end and anything over $750k makes the picks the least of our worries imo

I am the other way round, pay him more if need be, say 800, but he is not worth 2 x mid first round picks in total value

Couple of things people are missing at the moment. Papley is a very good player, but:

1. Is the only real focus at the Swans at the moment with missing some very good forwards, most go to player at the Swans

2. No surprise that 5 of the top 10 leading goal kickers are smallish/medium forward, with this year's reduced match time

With that draft pick currency, you could get Lonie, Witherden and Ballenden, which makes us a better squad

Add Williams and it tops it off

 

[Stamos]

With that draft pick currency, you could get Lonie, Witherden and Ballenden, which makes us a better squad

Add Williams and it tops it off

Agree we should be going after Williams FA.

I think the other point makes a more interesting discussion. Say Papley can't get done, who should we be targeting to replace Betts?

 

[reubsblues]

I don't get why we would want crouch we have setterfield and Kennedy who are similar players
Papley needs to be our number 1 target
Williams throw the coin at as a FA
Get McLean on the cheap for midfield depth
Shai Bolton would be a good get if papley doesn't get done

Papley or Bolton Fwd/mid
Williams HB/mid
McLean Fwd/mid
All highly skilled

 

[Arr0w]

Agree we should be going after Williams FA.

I think the other point makes a more interesting discussion. Say Papley can't get done, who should we be targeting to replace Betts?

You responded to my post that listed a small forward, who is ooc

Other OOC

Parfitt, Narkle, Petrucelle

 

[Stamos]

You responded to my post that listed a small forward, who is ooc

Other OOC

Parfitt, Narkle, Petrucelle

Yeah, how would you list them in terms of our priority?

Edit: or not even OOC, but gettable?

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I am the other way round, pay him more if need be, say 800, but he is not worth 2 x mid first round picks in total value

Couple of things people are missing at the moment. Papley is a very good player, but:

1. Is the only real focus at the Swans at the moment with missing some very good forwards, most go to player at the Swans

2. No surprise that 5 of the top 10 leading goal kickers are smallish/medium forward, with this year's reduced match time

With that draft pick currency, you could get Lonie, Witherden and Ballenden, which makes us a better squad

Add Williams and it tops it off

Williams or a Laird are a bigger priority for Me than papley -- we are the 6th best scoring side and 6 th worst defensive side - we struggle scoring from rebound 50 -- Lonie and witherden be helpful Also ..

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I am the other way round, pay him more if need be, say 800, but he is not worth 2 x mid first round picks in total value

Couple of things people are missing at the moment. Papley is a very good player, but:

1. Is the only real focus at the Swans at the moment with missing some very good forwards, most go to player at the Swans

2. No surprise that 5 of the top 10 leading goal kickers are smallish/medium forward, with this year's reduced match time

With that draft pick currency, you could get Lonie, Witherden and Ballenden, which makes us a better squad

Add Williams and it tops it off

If we are confident that our squad is an elite small forward away from being a contender then those picks are absolutely worth it.

In terms of squad depth we still have fisher, LOB, kemp, dow, marchbank, newman, stocker and TDK who most of us figure to be good enough best 22 players with more development (if they're not already) , so i'm not sure the 'get 3 solid players instead of 1 great one' philosophy is right for us.

 

[Jeremias]

You responded to my post that listed a small forward, who is ooc

Other OOC

Parfitt, Narkle, Petrucelle

Two of them are not small forwards.

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah, how would you list them in terms of our priority?

Edit: or not even OOC, but gettable?

In order? Depends on bang for buck/draft picks

Ryan
Cameron
Papley, Greene, Bolton

Parfitt, Lonie, Narkle, Miers

 

[Arr0w]

If we are confident that our squad is an elite small forward away from being a contender then those picks are absolutely worth it.

In terms of squad depth we still have fisher, LOB, kemp, dow, marchbank, newman, stocker and TDK who most of us figure to be good enough best 22 players with more development (if they're not already) , so i'm not sure the 'get 3 solid players instead of 1 great one' philosophy is right for us.

We are more than a small forward away from being a flag contender

KPD to replace Jones in time

2 x midfield finishers

 

[Arr0w]

Two of them are not small forwards.

I know, better distribution of assets

A small forward, an attacking HBF, a KPD that can swing forward or in the ruck

 

[Jimmyonesix]

If we are confident that our squad is an elite small forward away from being a contender then those picks are absolutely worth it.

In terms of squad depth we still have fisher, LOB, kemp, dow, marchbank, newman, stocker and TDK who most of us figure to be good enough best 22 players with more development (if they're not already) , so i'm not sure the 'get 3 solid players instead of 1 great one' philosophy is right for us.

I think we will lose more games conceding goals than not kicking them once the midfield develops(could use better kicks inside) --we leak easy goals from ordinary decisions behind the ball and disposal wing to half forward .. who knows 9 games left our defence may improve -- but looking at our list who developing as an elite half back to replace Simpson cover docherty even with Newman back in side who has suspect disposal (plenty of heart)..

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I know, better distribution of assets

A small forward, an attacking HBF, a KPD that can swing forward or in the ruck

I think I’d still prefer Papley.

He’s a game changer.

 

[Stamos]

In order? Depends on bang for buck/draft picks

Ryan
Cameron
Papley, Greene, Bolton

Parfitt, Lonie, Narkle, Miers

OK, I would seriously doubt that Ryan, Cameron or Greene are gettable.

 

[Arr0w]

I think I’d still prefer Papley.

Most people would, doesn't mean giving up 2 x 1st rounders is sound list management

We don't struggle scoring, we struggle getting it in forward 50

 

[Arr0w]

OK, I would seriously doubt that Ryan, Cameron or Greene are gettable.

As opposed to a contracted Papley till 2023?

Ryan is OOC and has more versatility than Papley

 

[Brackets]

No surprise that 5 of the top 10 leading goal kickers are smallish/medium forward, with this year's reduced match time

What's you're theory as to why this would matter? Papley, Greene and Cameron are top 10 because of talent, nothing else.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Most people would, doesn't mean giving up 2 x 1st rounders is sound list management

We don't struggle scoring, we struggle getting it in forward 50

As coach has stated after most games since he's been in charge .. I doubt he would sell the farm for a small forward-- he would rather two player coming from behind the play kicking it at 85% 15-25 times .. I said before look at our high possession players Says a lot about our Forward entries ..

 

[Stamos]

As opposed to a contracted Papley till 2023?

Ryan is OOC and has more versatility than Papley

My original question was on the supposition that we couldn't get Papley.
Would love Ryan, but would be shocked if we could get him.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I think we will lose more games conceding goals than not kicking them once the midfield develops(could use better kicks inside) --we leak easy goals from ordinary decisions behind the ball and disposal wing to half forward .. who knows 9 games left our defence may improve -- but looking at our list who developing as an elite half back to replace Simpson cover docherty even with Newman back in side who has suspect disposal (plenty of heart)..

A lot will come down to how good LOB and Williamson become. If they become good players we are in a pretty good position though this is why I really wanted Sharpe at the Philp pick. Williams would really be a dream get.
williams, Martin, LOB and Williamson are some good options for those transition type situations and delivering into the forward line. Papley was also great at forward deliveries last season when he played a different role.

 

[Arr0w]

What's you're theory as to why this would matter? Papley, Greene and Cameron are top 10 because of talent, nothing else.

Go back through the last few years, it will be apparent

 

[Arr0w]

My original question was on the supposition that we couldn't get Papley.
Would love Ryan, but would be shocked if we could get him.

So would I, even moreso Papley for a reasonable price

 

[Stamos]

So would I, even moreso Papley for a reasonable price

If we got Williams, would you be willing to pay more for Papley?