List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Stamos]

Pittonet is 25, TDK will be 22 so we will have 2 rucks that have shown they are capable of being 1st choice in the prime of their career.. Sure we can draft in another prospect but i dont think its much use having another mature age ruck on our list. It would be worth bringing in a senior ruck into our VFL setup but i dont think we need 3 on our senior list.

2 rucks simply isn't enough.
They get injured a lot, let alone accounting for form, suspensions, someone to ruck in the reserves.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Not opposed to replacing Kreuz with another ruck (either via trade or draft), but it is clear to me that the experiment of playing Pittonet, TDK and Casboult in the same team needs to end now - especially if Harry is in the team as well.
Ideally I’d play TDK as #1 ruck, but could alternate him 60/40 with Levi. Neither are able to run out a whole game in the ruck, but both at least are a target in the forward line. TDK hasn’t done much as a forward so far, but that is clearly in his skill set over time. Pittonet looks a real liability up forward - offers very little in any area other than contested marking. No defensive pressure, no lead up target, etc. The ball just walks out of the F50 when he’s in there.
Also happy with a “horses for courses” selection policy. When playing a team with a beast of a ruck I’d look at Pittonet, but otherwise I’d be using TDK as our #1 option.

I thought the same, except TDK was far more effective against Grundy than Pitt on the weekend, and TDK held his own against Nic Nat.. Both considered the premium rucks in the game. TDK & Levi are the best combo.. And we may need to teach H to ruck when Levi retires.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

2 rucks simply isn't enough.
They get injured a lot, let alone accounting for form, suspensions, someone to ruck in the reserves.

Out of interest how many rucks do Richmond, West Coast, Giants, Geelong have on their list??

There is no way any of them have more than 2 mature rucks.. Players perform best when they have job security.. The best teams have a clear #1 and then its pointless have 2 unhappy understudies.

 

[Gethelred]

What if he requests a trade at the end of the season, as one of our posters alluded to ?

Pretty much of the opinion there is no point keep players around (even contracted) who do not want to be here. Would make for an uncomfortable playing environment somewhat.

And people wonder why others chase off people who share bad rumours.

Let's be clear: LordLucifer's rumour was - by his own admission - not strong. It was from an ex player; didn't say when, who, or how involved they were with Dow or with list management. And yet here you are, ready to ship him out and away, fresh from a single game back in the ones after a long injury layoff and recovery.

People - like me - do not like the degree to which we react to a smidgeon of a breeze as though it's a sign of incipient hurricane. I'm all for people sharing rumours, but people - like you - need be cognizant of what overreacting to these potentially spurious rumours can do, both to other people and the player in question. Did you read Liam Stocker's instagram post in the Media thread? He's quite clearly seen a bit of what's written online about him, felt the pressure of it on him.

Pull your head in.

 

[DangerousD]

Isn't he keeping most of the power forwards to low scores. Unlike a jones on buddy in recent times?

It seems he is playing a much more lockdown role, which he does well, but by doing this, we miss out on the things he is great at, lockdown types can be found relatively cheaply through trade, it’s not something I would like to see JW used as for a long period, I think we lose more than we gain.

 

[AB_Blue]

2 rucks simply isn't enough.
They get injured a lot, let alone accounting for form, suspensions, someone to ruck in the reserves.

With the soft cap coming down give kruz a list spot and offer him the ruck coaching role as well.

MK is a smart man with interests outside of football. If the fire still burns he may be open to it. Rookie a young ruck in the meantime


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[Arr0w]

Out of interest how many rucks do Richmond, West Coast, Giants, Geelong have on their list??

There is no way any of them have more than 2 mature rucks.. Players perform best when they have job security.. The best teams have a clear #1 and then its pointless have 2 unhappy understudies.

It's not so much the age, it's the amount

NicNat, Williams, Allen, Vardy, Hickey, Jamieson

Stanley, Jenkins, Kreuger, Ratugolea, Fort, Blicavs

They can all spend time in the ruck

We have Pittonett, Levi, Krooz, TDK

its thin and lacks balance and quality

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

It's not so much the age, it's the amount

NicNat, Williams, Allen, Vardy, Hickey, Jamieson

Stanley, Jenkins, Kreuger, Ratugolea, Fort, Blicavs

They can all spend time in the ruck

We have Pittonett, Levi, Krooz, TDK

its thin and lacks balance and quality

if your including players like Blicavs, you may as well throw Liam Jones and Harry McKay onto ours.

 

[Brackets]

I think you need to re-read my post.

Weiterings output this year is down on 2019 and 2018, to me this is because he is now being played as a lockdown defender and not to his strengths.

His disposals are lower this year than last year and 2018, his marking Is his worst year EVER, it’s his biggest asset and it’s worst this year than his debut year.

Let me make this very clear as your response seemed to miss it, I am asking if anyone is concerned at the role David Teague is playing JW, not that JW has lost his ability to mark or find the footy Or has gone backward in his development.

Have you overlooked the shorter quarters?

Averages are about the same if you project it out, but even that won't tell the full picture as fatigue, possession footy etc. are bigger factors of that extra time.

We are also switching far less this year so that would impact his numbers, but then that's also because the likes of Weitering are now hitting up the 50m pass down the line more often, which is a better use of his abilities.

It's a fair and interesting question but he's a defender first, so no I'm not concerned that he's playing a lock down role on many of the best forwards and shutting them down.

Someone made a good point the other day though about how our defenders look to spoil too much, and I tend to agree. Weitering, Jones, Doc, Marchbank (and Casboult, McGovern when used there) are all elite intercept marks. We should be imitating the Eagles defence, because we have the aerial ability to be just as good, and it would allow us to be much more unpredictable with quick ball movement and more open space.

You don't need good talls to bring it to ground when the opposition do it for you. Real waste of one of our biggest assets.

 

[Arr0w]

if your including players like Blicavs, you may as well throw Liam Jones and Harry McKay onto ours.

Blicavs can play anywhere in the spine, a better version of Levi

Jones might be able to play the role if we target a KPD. Harry should be doing some ruck chop outs, but seems they are protecting him from being banged up

We are still thin

Target at least one if keeping Krooz, 2 if he retires

But whoever we target, they must be a threat forward

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

And people wonder why others chase off people who share bad rumours.

Let's be clear: LordLucifer's rumour was - by his own admission - not strong. It was from an ex player; didn't say when, who, or how involved they were with Dow or with list management. And yet here you are, ready to ship him out and away, fresh from a single game back in the ones after a long injury layoff and recovery.

People - like me - do not like the degree to which we react to a smidgeon of a breeze as though it's a sign of incipient hurricane. I'm all for people sharing rumours, but people - like you - need be cognizant of what overreacting to these potentially spurious rumours can do, both to other people and the player in question. Did you read Liam Stocker's instagram post in the Media thread? He's quite clearly seen a bit of what's written online about him, felt the pressure of it on him.

Pull your head in.

Well that is a fair spray, one I probably deserve and will gladly cop.

Consider my head pulled in

 

[agro]

Weitering is definitely looking like he’s going for the spoil rather than trying to take the mark - this was especially apparent on Sunday versus Collingwood.

Whether this was a team instruction or circumstances hard to tell.

 

[Stamos]

Out of interest how many rucks do Richmond, West Coast, Giants, Geelong have on their list??

There is no way any of them have more than 2 mature rucks.. Players perform best when they have job security.. The best teams have a clear #1 and then its pointless have 2 unhappy understudies.

West Coast 4 1/2
Richmond 3 + 3/2
GWS (who are acknowledged for having a terrible ruck division) 3
Geelong have 2, and another 4 who go through (or have gone through over the last couple of years) the ruck.

 

[Stamos]

if your including players like Blicavs, you may as well throw Liam Jones and Harry McKay onto ours.

Blicavs has spent a hell of a lot more time in the ruck than Jones and Harry combined.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Blicavs can play anywhere in the spine, a better version of Levi

Jones might be able to play the role if we target a KPD. Harry should be doing some ruck chop outs, but seems they are protecting him from being banged up

We are still thin

Target at least one if keeping Krooz, 2 if he retires

But whoever we target, they must be a threat forward

Ideally we should try go for more gut running wing/mid types that can push forward and kick goals on the run (easier said than done)

Assuming we get Charlie back fit and injury free next season. I think we are set for tall fowards, we need more offensively dangerous half forward flanks who can play up the ground and can kick goals on the run aka Shai Bolton.

Richmond are so successful cause they have plenty of goal scoring options, tall, medium and small sized forwards, that is probably what we should emulate.

 

[Arr0w]

Ideally we should try go for more gut running wing/mid types that can push forward and kick goals on the run (easier said than done)

Assuming we get Charlie back fit and injury free next season. I think we are set for tall fowards, we need more offensively dangerous half forward flanks who can play up the ground and can kick goals on the run aka Shai Bolton.

Richmond are so successful cause they have plenty of goal scoring options, tall, medium and small sized forwards, that is probably what we should emulate.

Was only talking ruckmen but I agree

In that department, Tigers have Soldo, Nanks, Balta, Chol, Coleman Jones, Lynch, all can spend time in the ruck and are a threat forward

Said it many times, you should never stray from successful strategies, just tinker given the personal

 

[james Dean]

We definitely need a new ruckman especially if Kreuzer retires.

Pittonet and TDK have shown signs but there are no guarantees they will make it.

Probably better to draft one in the later rounds, but still a team need

 

[fnm_just a man]

Weitering is definitely looking like he’s going for the spoil rather than trying to take the mark - this was especially apparent on Sunday versus Collingwood.

Whether this was a team instruction or circumstances hard to tell.

I've been harping on about this as well ... and it comes back to the other thing I've been harping on about - our overall lack of self-belief. Personally think Weiters season is being a bit overrated. The best defenders take the contested marks, not just the loose intercept marks. Weiters is good enough - it will come when the team's (and his) self-belief develops. He also misses too many targets by hand and foot for my liking, but is still one of our best users back there. At least he has stopped throwing them wildly on the boot as much as he used to. Our disposal out of defence is not that much better than North Melbourne's, and theirs is pretty horrendous.

 

[Arr0w]

Given I also want to target another KPD to replace Jones, i would rank those targets in this order

B Miller
Petty
Ballenden
McKay

None would cost high picks

 

[Brackets]

West Coast 4 1/2

If we're counting half ruckmen then I'd be happy to give Eddie another year as backup.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Blicavs can play anywhere in the spine, a better version of Levi

Jones might be able to play the role if we target a KPD. Harry should be doing some ruck chop outs, but seems they are protecting him from being banged up

We are still thin

Target at least one if keeping Krooz, 2 if he retires

But whoever we target, they must be a threat forward

These guys grow on trees do they?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Given I also want to target another KPD to replace Jones, i would rank those targets in this order

B Miller
Petty
Ballenden
McKay

None would cost high picks

Rory Thompson any chance ?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

We definitely need a new ruckman especially if Kreuzer retires.

Pittonet and TDK have shown signs but there are no guarantees they will make it.

Probably better to draft one in the later rounds, but still a team need

Callum Coleman-Jones ?

 

[gbatman]

Pittonet is 25, TDK will be 22 so we will have 2 rucks that have shown they are capable of being 1st choice in the prime of their career.. Sure we can draft in another prospect but i dont think its much use having another mature age ruck on our list. It would be worth bringing in a senior ruck into our VFL setup but i dont think we need 3 on our senior list.

Wouldn't look good if you're trying to make finals and you lose a game or two because your only two ruckman are injured.

We still need backup. Kreuzer could do that fine or you retire him and replace him with another ruck.

Would be risky only having two racks on the list.

 

[Arr0w]

These guys grow on trees do they?

You're kidding right?

Sinclair, mature age player, rookie
Blicavs, rookie
Chol, rookie
Ladhams, rookie
McInerney, rookie

Should I go on?