List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[therubbernub]

Interesting to hear on the latest AFL exchange podcast Riley beveridge said he had a convo with someone at carlton. Apparntly we see him more as a 3rd tall intercept defender type rather than mid. Thoughts?

Yeah definitely !.... Who?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Interesting article in the Hsun suggesting we may be prepared to package Marchbank and a 1st to Sydney for Papley... Also suggesting we may look to trade Paddy Dow to Geelong, they are saying Geelongs pick 19/18 might be enough.. I would be disappointing that a former #3 was downgraded so far after 3 years of 'development' but its hard to make a claim that he is worth more than that..

 

[Blue Razor]

Interesting article in the Hsun suggesting we may be prepared to package Marchbank and a 1st to Sydney for Papley... Also suggesting we may look to trade Paddy Dow to Geelong, they are saying Geelongs pick 19/18 might be enough.. I would be disappointing that a former #3 was downgraded so far after 3 years of 'development' but its hard to make a claim that he is worth more than that..

I agree, I wouldn't trade Paddy Dow not after 3 years of development and special training with Diesel.(unless he said he wont make make it but he said opposite of that)
People may say cut your losses but that's more so for Marchbank that has been injured for his whole career.

 

[katmanblue]

same thing every year - plays well and is victorian? target - plays well against us? target - suits our needs? target - gets dropped? target - once rode on a melbourne tram? target - is a club's best player? target - had a good game last round? target - finally came good after 8 years of mediocrity? target........

Is that last line a suggestion that you should be a target?

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[ItsAllAboutMe]

I agree, I wouldn't trade Paddy Dow not after 3 years of development and special training with Diesel.(unless he said he wont make make it but he said opposite of that)
People may say cut your losses but that's more so for Marchbank that has been injured for his whole career.

Except that the article was framing that it might be Paddy forcing the hand on this and requesting the trade, he is from Geelong and has a good releationship with Cameron Ling who rates him highly. IMO he is definitely worth persisting with but if moving him on, frees up picks/cap space which allows us to bring in Papley/Williams etc then we would be silly not to consider it.

It will be seen as a wasted pick 3, but in reality if you look at the rest of that first round of the 2017 draft it is looking extremely underwhelming so perhaps Paddy was pick 3 in a very poor draft year, and we have been pleading for him to come good based on his draft position expecting him to put it together... but perhaps he is just not that good.

 

[thylacine60]

Maybe the answer to the fixturing dilemma is to have teams play two games simultaneously. Home & away.

or 30 from each club on the ground - it will rid the game of sporadic congestion periods because the whole match will be a rolling maul........

 

[Arr0w]

Seems like there are a number of posts that a missing?

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Seems like there are a number of posts that a missing?

Posts aren't missing for me as much as they're out of order! They go from a post 3m ago to posts from the 28th of August!

 

[Arr0w]

Posts aren't missing for me as much as they're out of order! They go from a post 3m ago to posts from the 28th of August!

That's what's happening at my end, most of the posts from yesterday seem to have disappeared

 

[murphster]

Posts aren't missing for me as much as they're out of order! They go from a post 3m ago to posts from the 28th of August!

Is that what’s going on good spot Doof, I thought I was losing my mind

 

[FairKouta]

Is Z Williams better than Docherty?
In terms of where he'd be ranked on our list.

Yes yes yes. Better kick better decision maker.

 

[thylacine60]

Is that last line a suggestion that you should be a target?

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Yes. Yes it is.

 

[thylacine60]

This site is even more ****ed than usual today.

 

[skadoosh]

Betts just put up an Instagram story of Charlie Curnow kicking a checkside goal from the boundary. No strapping on him at all! Went straight through the middle.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I really feel that as much as anything we need impact players.
Players that can hurt the opposition by way of their competitiveness, ball use, killer instinct etc.
We have a few in the team but another one on each line wouldn't go astray.

Stocker projected as that type, but two years on, we're none the wiser as to how things may pan out for him.
CCurnow is that player and we'll welcome him back as soon as he's ready.
Kemp seems to be that type. We'll just have to wait and see though.

Just a couple more of the right types and we may have something going for us. No more Mr. Nice Guy

I think we have a good number of impact players, and several developing - Dow, Cuningham, Stocker, Kemp, Honey, Philp. Maybe lacking in the backline it's hard to find a real impact player who can also defend adequately - if we got Williams and played him there he fills that role.

IMO we lack the opposite - the consistent workman-like players to do the grunt work and allow the stars to shine.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Are new posts just sent to bigfooty purgatory?

 

[Manhattanite]

Are new posts just sent to bigfooty purgatory?

The answer is yes and I’ve responded 4 minutes after you but you won’t see this for another 4 days probably


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[The Return of the Paf]

I really feel that as much as anything we need impact players.
Players that can hurt the opposition by way of their competitiveness, ball use, killer instinct etc.
We have a few in the team but another one on each line wouldn't go astray.

Stocker projected as that type, but two years on, we're none the wiser as to how things may pan out for him.
CCurnow is that player and we'll welcome him back as soon as he's ready.
Kemp seems to be that type. We'll just have to wait and see though.

Just a couple more of the right types and we may have something going for us. No more Mr. Nice Guy

That's what I was thinking. People can think it's a positional issue all they want but we simply need more quality players with a point of difference that can hurt the opposition. Let them worry about us instead of us worrying about them. It sounds like rhetoric, I know, but people should know what I mean. We really only went to two trade periods/drafts with that mindset and that was the first two years of the rebuild. We haven't been been particularly frugal along with it, either.

 

[Jimmae]

This is my take if we're being smart about our long term development:

Gone: Kennedy, Newman, O'Dwyer, Lang, Goddard
Maybe: Polson, Moore, Cottrell, Phillips, Owies, Pittonet
Trade/FA opportunities: Plowman, Marchbank, O'Brien, Dow, Fisher, Jones, SPS, JSOS, Cuningham, Casboult, Stocker
Retirement chances: Betts, Simpson

If we're going down in list size from 46 to 40, then we're looking at 9 names leaving. I'm still hopeful that the AFLPA will come to the table and trim a little off the top end of the 1% in order to keep list sizes in good shape, and that's really something that we need right now given what one good off-season can do for our list and its depth.

Most of what I've put through here is straight forward outside the trade/FA opportunities and the maybes, which I'll break down now.

Maybes:
Polson - lots of work to be done to develop as a small defender, but he's getting the minutes now to show if he can make a fist of it

Moore - I want him developed as an inside mid, but if the club start throwing him back or keeping him in the ruck, he needs to go

Cottrell - respect his running capacity, but just feel he's all arms and legs compared to other options and just doesn't have enough game impact now, and his ceiling doesn't read that high as a full time outside mid or HBF

Phillips - if list spots are tight, he's just not showing enough consistent mobility to be dangerous at AFL level

Owies - he's working really hard on his forward pressure, and I'd like to also see him trialled at stoppages due to his read and his ability to make a hard cut change of direction... probably the safest right now aside from Pittonet because he sits outside any list size changes

Pittonet - just one senior ruck option too many if we wind up hanging onto Casboult given Charlie's return next season and the need for Cripps, TDK, Kemp and Setterfield to rest forward at times


Trade/FA Opportunities:
Plowman - serviceable and is improving on his weaknesses, but at some point we're going to have choose between him and Marchbank, perhaps Williamson as well. He appears to have the lowest ceiling of the three, but he solves a lot of match-up headaches for us so long as we refuse to have an athletic small defender. Zac Williams may address this issue.

Marchbank - would probably net more than Plowman in a trade, but has a woeful injury history. Tough call, but this is why the football department heads are paid money. Against his favour is that he probably isn't quite as defensively versatile as Plowman.

O'Brien - just not being played ahead of Newnes and Cottrell, so I have no idea why he'd want to stay given he's ready to develop at AFL level and those blokes are not genuine AFL wings

Dow - looks sharp inside the contest but seems to be losing his ability on the outside. Add his lack of two-way running to that and you've got a player that compounds our existing weaknesses against most sides at the stoppages; would draw first round currency

Fisher - not a true wing, not a true forward, not a proper contested player; he needs to figure out how to weave in and out of the midfield to make the forward line work with him and for him, otherwise he's not going to work in our system, or too many others at AFL level; talented player but his body size and endurance capacity works against him

Jones - this would be a tough call, but he's not the same player he was 18 months ago, and I'd make this move if it delivered us an athletic replacement, especially with Macreadie in the offing right now

SPS - another who doesn't have a clear modern AFL position despite obvious talent; fix his hamstrings and you fix the problem, otherwise he's an undersized general defender or a sluggish high half-forward. May fit in a more niche system that can keep feeding him the footy and already has outside speed in spades

JSOS - we seem adamant on not using him in a midfield rotation, and he's behind too many at either end; strikes me as the next Josh Kennedy move in the league (Hawks to Sydney)

Cuningham - if we can't develop him, we need to give him a chance to develop somewhere else, because he should be a forward/mid that plays with more purpose

Casboult - he's been great for us, but next year he's not going to get a game while McKay, TDK and Charlie are fit; deserves a chance to make more money with more opportunity and chance of success

 

[Juddrockz]

What's Kemp's rehab up to now? Is he running, non-contact training? Would love to get some updates on how he's going. Believe its been about 13-14 months since he did his ACL.

Could he get a game before the season ends?

 

[Kramer1]

Like me some Liam Baker...possibly the quick, physical, small defender we need. How much is one?

 

[bluegrass]

Yes! And they can get flayed and flashed as well

Yeah! Get fooled, Sydney!

 

[BigBreakfast]

Is Z Williams better than Docherty?
In terms of where he'd be ranked on our list.

Yes. Quicker and slick.

I’d like him to get midfield time, not replicate his role at GWS in a different club. That’s about the only carrot we have, and $$$$

 

[BigBreakfast]

I agree, I wouldn't trade Paddy Dow not after 3 years of development and special training with Diesel.(unless he said he wont make make it but he said opposite of that)
People may say cut your losses but that's more so for Marchbank that has been injured for his whole career.

Marchy is out of sight, out of mind. He will be right for 2021 and remind everyone how well he reads and intercepts. Think Nathan Wilson level impact.

 

[BigBreakfast]

This is my take if we're being smart about our long term development:

Gone: Kennedy, Newman, O'Dwyer, Lang, Goddard
Maybe: Polson, Moore, Cottrell, Phillips, Owies, Pittonet
Trade/FA opportunities: Plowman, Marchbank, O'Brien, Dow, Fisher, Jones, SPS, JSOS, Cuningham, Casboult, Stocker
Retirement chances: Betts, Simpson

If we're going down in list size from 46 to 40, then we're looking at 9 names leaving. I'm still hopeful that the AFLPA will come to the table and trim a little off the top end of the 1% in order to keep list sizes in good shape, and that's really something that we need right now given what one good off-season can do for our list and its depth.

Most of what I've put through here is straight forward outside the trade/FA opportunities and the maybes, which I'll break down now.

Maybes:
Polson - lots of work to be done to develop as a small defender, but he's getting the minutes now to show if he can make a fist of it

Moore - I want him developed as an inside mid, but if the club start throwing him back or keeping him in the ruck, he needs to go

Cottrell - respect his running capacity, but just feel he's all arms and legs compared to other options and just doesn't have enough game impact now, and his ceiling doesn't read that high as a full time outside mid or HBF

Phillips - if list spots are tight, he's just not showing enough consistent mobility to be dangerous at AFL level

Owies - he's working really hard on his forward pressure, and I'd like to also see him trialled at stoppages due to his read and his ability to make a hard cut change of direction... probably the safest right now aside from Pittonet because he sits outside any list size changes

Pittonet - just one senior ruck option too many if we wind up hanging onto Casboult given Charlie's return next season and the need for Cripps, TDK, Kemp and Setterfield to rest forward at times


Trade/FA Opportunities:
Plowman - serviceable and is improving on his weaknesses, but at some point we're going to have choose between him and Marchbank, perhaps Williamson as well. He appears to have the lowest ceiling of the three, but he solves a lot of match-up headaches for us so long as we refuse to have an athletic small defender. Zac Williams may address this issue.

Marchbank - would probably net more than Plowman in a trade, but has a woeful injury history. Tough call, but this is why the football department heads are paid money. Against his favour is that he probably isn't quite as defensively versatile as Plowman.

O'Brien - just not being played ahead of Newnes and Cottrell, so I have no idea why he'd want to stay given he's ready to develop at AFL level and those blokes are not genuine AFL wings

Dow - looks sharp inside the contest but seems to be losing his ability on the outside. Add his lack of two-way running to that and you've got a player that compounds our existing weaknesses against most sides at the stoppages; would draw first round currency

Fisher - not a true wing, not a true forward, not a proper contested player; he needs to figure out how to weave in and out of the midfield to make the forward line work with him and for him, otherwise he's not going to work in our system, or too many others at AFL level; talented player but his body size and endurance capacity works against him

Jones - this would be a tough call, but he's not the same player he was 18 months ago, and I'd make this move if it delivered us an athletic replacement, especially with Macreadie in the offing right now

SPS - another who doesn't have a clear modern AFL position despite obvious talent; fix his hamstrings and you fix the problem, otherwise he's an undersized general defender or a sluggish high half-forward. May fit in a more niche system that can keep feeding him the footy and already has outside speed in spades

JSOS - we seem adamant on not using him in a midfield rotation, and he's behind too many at either end; strikes me as the next Josh Kennedy move in the league (Hawks to Sydney)

Cuningham - if we can't develop him, we need to give him a chance to develop somewhere else, because he should be a forward/mid that plays with more purpose

Casboult - he's been great for us, but next year he's not going to get a game while McKay, TDK and Charlie are fit; deserves a chance to make more money with more opportunity and chance of success

Baby? Bath water?