List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[BigBreakfast]

Like me some Liam Baker...possibly the quick, physical, small defender we need. How much is one?

Don’t think Richmond would part ways. More likely to get a Graham type if we are picking the bones off the premiers. Polson might just qualify in time?

 

[mikeythemoocow]

I like Taylor Garner. If he can get injuries right, give a hard edge which we lack often

 

[Doro]

After reading this thread I am no longer sure if I exist today or at Midday on Friday.

 

[Kramer1]

Don’t think Richmond would part ways. More likely to get a Graham type if we are picking the bones off the premiers. Polson might just qualify in time?

Not willingly...though I assume Richmond are tight, Rance may return...we are owed for the premiership ruckman we gifted them.

Polson may be half a chance, Cotteril more likely. Baker looks a sure thing.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

How good was that win last night? It's Friday right?

 

[Jimmae]

Baby? Bath water?

Where did I suggest we get rid of all of them... or most of them?

We'll be moving on 3 from the senior list at the minimum, and it makes sense to move on Goddard from the rookie list. If the list size shrinks by 6, that's another 6 that have to go unless they change the minimum drafting rules.

Even then, I'd imagine we'd still take at least two picks. You realise this is a discussion on list management options... yes?

If you want where I sit right now, and assuming list sizes remain the same, it's:

OUT: Kennedy, Newman, Pittonet, Polson, Lang, O'Dwyer, Cottrell (r), Goddard (r)
IN: Zac Williams, Brad Crouch, 4 draft picks, 1 DFA/PSD, 2 rookie picks

In terms of draft targets, I'd go for literally anything other than an inside mid.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Liam Duggan is the quality small defender I’d hope we speak to.. from Bacchus Marsh... that’s about all I’ve got... I thought he was a chance over last couple of years if we tried bc he was in and out a bit, but seems to have cemented his spot in the Eagles line-up now.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Where did I suggest we get rid of all of them... or most of them?

We'll be moving on 3 from the senior list at the minimum, and it makes sense to move on Goddard from the rookie list. If the list size shrinks by 6, that's another 6 that have to go unless they change the minimum drafting rules.

Even then, I'd imagine we'd still take at least two picks. You realise this is a discussion on list management options... yes?

If you want where I sit right now, and assuming list sizes remain the same, it's:

OUT: Kennedy, Newman, Pittonet, Polson, Lang, O'Dwyer, Cottrell (r), Goddard (r)
IN: Zac Williams, Brad Crouch, 4 draft picks, 1 DFA/PSD, 2 rookie picks

In terms of draft targets, I'd go for literally anything other than an inside mid.

No issue with what you have suggested here. The last one was much more comprehensive and scattergun.

In response: no to delisting Pitto or Polson and a big no to Brad Crouch, yes please to Zac Williams, draft the young McCrea kid, consider trading other picks, happy for the rest.

 

[Opine]

No issue with what you have suggested here. The last one was much more comprehensive and scattergun.

In response: no to delisting Pitto or Polson and a big no to Brad Crouch, yes please to Zac Williams, draft the young McCrea kid, consider trading other picks, happy for the rest.

I agree re holding onto Pitts, no way I'd move him on, But, I don't think the club can hold onto Polson whilst also persisting with Murphy; you've made it clear that you want Murphy. I'd sooner see Polson stay than Murphy; but that won't happen.

 

[smashbox gill]

One positive about a trade to Sydney for Papley is that Sydney have 2 academy players likely to be drafted in the first round.
Our 1st pick likely to sit around pick 9 isn’t really that beneficial for them as Braeden Campbell likely to go before that pick.
Therefore a 2nd round pick this year and 1st round pick next year might be preferable for them.

They can use their 1st on a player before a Campbell pick, then use their 2nd and our 2nd for their 2 academy players

 

[HARKER]

One positive about a trade to Sydney for Papley is that Sydney have 2 academy players likely to be drafted in the first round.
Our 1st pick likely to sit around pick 9 isn’t really that beneficial for them as Braeden Campbell likely to go before that pick.
Therefore a 2nd round pick this year and 1st round pick next year might be preferable for them.

They can use their 1st on a player before a Campbell pick, then use their 2nd and our 2nd for their 2 academy players

Don't like the idea of moving on next years first though.
Next year will be another of consolidation and then we really should know what we have and haven't got.

I see that if we go to the draft this year, then things haven't played out the way we wanted them to.

 

[Foucault1989]

Where did I suggest we get rid of all of them... or most of them?

We'll be moving on 3 from the senior list at the minimum, and it makes sense to move on Goddard from the rookie list. If the list size shrinks by 6, that's another 6 that have to go unless they change the minimum drafting rules.

Even then, I'd imagine we'd still take at least two picks. You realise this is a discussion on list management options... yes?

If you want where I sit right now, and assuming list sizes remain the same, it's:

OUT: Kennedy, Newman, Pittonet, Polson, Lang, O'Dwyer, Cottrell (r), Goddard (r)
IN: Zac Williams, Brad Crouch, 4 draft picks, 1 DFA/PSD, 2 rookie picks

In terms of draft targets, I'd go for literally anything other than an inside mid.

Don't think Cottrell, Newman, Kennedy or Pitt will be delisted/traded this year. Don't think we'll get both Crouch and Williams.

 

[Leon Black]

Dare we dream of Kelly and Williams, GES can have what ever they want draft pick wise

 

[DirkDiggler]

Interesting article in the HS today

Leon Cameron who has had to let go Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Shiel, Jon Patton, Tom Scully, Jack Steele Jacob Townsend and Tom Boyd to other clubs rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

 

[Leon Black]

Dare we dream of Kelly and Williams, GES can have what ever they want draft pick wise

GWS*

 

[CJMB]

Interesting article in the HS today

Leon Cameron who has had to let go Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Shiel, Jon Patton, Tom Scully, Jack Steele Jacob Townsend and Tom Boyd to other clubs rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

Or what still could be... I mean, he hasn't retired and it's not like he's got a case of the Patton's...

 

[AB_Blue]

Interesting article in the HS today

Leon Cameron who has had to let go Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Shiel, Jon Patton, Tom Scully, Jack Steele Jacob Townsend and Tom Boyd to other clubs rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

Sumner or Palmer not on the list ?? [emoji2]


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[Stamos]

rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

He's 23

 

[RPCB]

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[Stamos]

Is there anyone here mad enough to pay for the Herald Sun?

Plenty of people, unfortunately.
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[HARKER]

Interesting article in the HS today

Leon Cameron who has had to let go Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Shiel, Jon Patton, Tom Scully, Jack Steele Jacob Townsend and Tom Boyd to other clubs rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

Biggest loss because he may have been the hardest to cover and maybe not because he saw him as being the best player of the lot.

I understand that and there's plenty of time for Marchbank to get back to becoming the player many thought he would,

 

[Brackets]

This is my take if we're being smart about our long term development:

Gone: Kennedy, Newman, O'Dwyer, Lang, Goddard
Maybe: Polson, Moore, Cottrell, Phillips, Owies, Pittonet
Trade/FA opportunities: Plowman, Marchbank, O'Brien, Dow, Fisher, Jones, SPS, JSOS, Cuningham, Casboult, Stocker
Retirement chances: Betts, Simpson

If we're going down in list size from 46 to 40, then we're looking at 9 names leaving. I'm still hopeful that the AFLPA will come to the table and trim a little off the top end of the 1% in order to keep list sizes in good shape, and that's really something that we need right now given what one good off-season can do for our list and its depth.

Most of what I've put through here is straight forward outside the trade/FA opportunities and the maybes, which I'll break down now.

Maybes:
Polson - lots of work to be done to develop as a small defender, but he's getting the minutes now to show if he can make a fist of it

Moore - I want him developed as an inside mid, but if the club start throwing him back or keeping him in the ruck, he needs to go

Cottrell - respect his running capacity, but just feel he's all arms and legs compared to other options and just doesn't have enough game impact now, and his ceiling doesn't read that high as a full time outside mid or HBF

Phillips - if list spots are tight, he's just not showing enough consistent mobility to be dangerous at AFL level

Owies - he's working really hard on his forward pressure, and I'd like to also see him trialled at stoppages due to his read and his ability to make a hard cut change of direction... probably the safest right now aside from Pittonet because he sits outside any list size changes

Pittonet - just one senior ruck option too many if we wind up hanging onto Casboult given Charlie's return next season and the need for Cripps, TDK, Kemp and Setterfield to rest forward at times


Trade/FA Opportunities:
Plowman - serviceable and is improving on his weaknesses, but at some point we're going to have choose between him and Marchbank, perhaps Williamson as well. He appears to have the lowest ceiling of the three, but he solves a lot of match-up headaches for us so long as we refuse to have an athletic small defender. Zac Williams may address this issue.

Marchbank - would probably net more than Plowman in a trade, but has a woeful injury history. Tough call, but this is why the football department heads are paid money. Against his favour is that he probably isn't quite as defensively versatile as Plowman.

O'Brien - just not being played ahead of Newnes and Cottrell, so I have no idea why he'd want to stay given he's ready to develop at AFL level and those blokes are not genuine AFL wings

Dow - looks sharp inside the contest but seems to be losing his ability on the outside. Add his lack of two-way running to that and you've got a player that compounds our existing weaknesses against most sides at the stoppages; would draw first round currency

Fisher - not a true wing, not a true forward, not a proper contested player; he needs to figure out how to weave in and out of the midfield to make the forward line work with him and for him, otherwise he's not going to work in our system, or too many others at AFL level; talented player but his body size and endurance capacity works against him

Jones - this would be a tough call, but he's not the same player he was 18 months ago, and I'd make this move if it delivered us an athletic replacement, especially with Macreadie in the offing right now

SPS - another who doesn't have a clear modern AFL position despite obvious talent; fix his hamstrings and you fix the problem, otherwise he's an undersized general defender or a sluggish high half-forward. May fit in a more niche system that can keep feeding him the footy and already has outside speed in spades

JSOS - we seem adamant on not using him in a midfield rotation, and he's behind too many at either end; strikes me as the next Josh Kennedy move in the league (Hawks to Sydney)

Cuningham - if we can't develop him, we need to give him a chance to develop somewhere else, because he should be a forward/mid that plays with more purpose

Casboult - he's been great for us, but next year he's not going to get a game while McKay, TDK and Charlie are fit; deserves a chance to make more money with more opportunity and chance of success

Great post, I was curious as to your list management thoughts so I enjoyed the detail.

Somewhat surprised that you'd be prepared to chop Cottrell, given he has speed to go with endurance. While fairly raw still, those traits with what appears to be a high level of competitiveness and intensity gives him a decent ceiling imo.

Some follow up questions:
- What do you mean re: fixing SPS hamstrings? What impact do you think it is having on him at the moment, and how do you see his output changing (and position) if this is improved?
- why are you not a fan of Newman? Generally or has his injury compounded this assessment?
- you seem fairly confident in Macreadie developing into a long term KPD. What makes you bullish about his prospects?

Forgetting the above, say we got Williams this off-season for a start, do you rate the potential of our list? (not with the moves you'd make but with how we're likely to structure the team going forward e.g. Jack probably won't be used as an inside mid etc.)

 

[The Blue Baggers]

Interesting article in the HS today

Leon Cameron who has had to let go Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Dylan Shiel, Jon Patton, Tom Scully, Jack Steele Jacob Townsend and Tom Boyd to other clubs rates Caleb Marchbank as his biggest loss. Makes you wonder what could have been without his injuries.

fit Marchbank = Plowman in the 2nds .... win win

 

[AB_Blue]

fit Marchbank = Plowman in the 2nds .... win win

Some of our best defensive efforts under Bolton had Marchy, Plow and Jones in the side with Weiters developing. Simmo and Doc as the smalls

Plow has the ability to play on anyone from 182-192.

Marchy is a great zone defender and regularly takes intercept marks and provided cover to Jones and Weiters as well

Most teams play with 7 defenders so I can see that all working again in 2021


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[HereComesJuddy]

fit Marchbank = Plowman in the 2nds .... win win

Don't think so