2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[DJ75]

Stengle recorded a DUI during a time where restrictions were a lot heavier in this state, there is a far greater potential to cause harm to others versus just walking home pissed. Surely you can distinguish the difference? I can’t believe you’re defending a DUI, there is never any excuse to drink and drive.

I am in no way defending DUI. None. There is no excuse.

I'm questioning our handling of it in comparison to others. We always throw the player under the bus. Other clubs stick up for their players.

 

[DJ75]

Who are you hearing that from?

Probably from when I posted the suggestion a week or two ago

 

[footy4ever]

Gee, you don’t think playing for the biggest club in Melbourne with the best facilities and endless media opportunities may help with their player retention?! Their off field culture has always been questionable, but if you have the above most players really won’t give a fu**!

I’m not defending our admin, I’m just stating that the scenario you painted isn’t the full picture. Eddie was way out of line with his comments and if Roo said that we wouldn’t hear the end of it for days in the media and on this board.

Add to this the best under-the-table players' extra money schemes.

 

[cleanhands]

Let's say you and I are out of mobile range on the coast somewhere fishing and camping. You get bitten by a snake and I can't call 000 but we've been drinking and are clearly over the limit. I just watch you die?

Luckily it’s Baccs that gets bitten otherwise you’ll be watching the snake die........ alcohol poisoning , I must stop this I’ll give you a reputation

 

[marvin]

Collingwood have won two flags in the last 60 years.

We are doing our best to follow in their footsteps .

To a point. Eddie's also spearheaded a netball team that have never finished higher than 4th despite starting off with 5 Australian players, an AFLW team that's never shown much, and a Big Bash franchise that falls in a hole whenever it counts.

At least our women are brilliant.

 

[BACCS]

I am in no way defending DUI. None. There is no excuse.

I'm questioning our handling of it in comparison to others. We always throw the player under the bus. Other clubs stick up for their players.

I just don’t think we threw him under the bus though, we kept it hidden from the media for a week so the entire playing group knew before the public did. The only thing said to the public was that we don’t condone drink driving, nothing was said about his character. I’m just not sure how we were meant to stick up for him in a public forum, especially when we are also part of a road safety campaign.

Are you questioning the 4 week suspension? Maybe could’ve been two, but given the timing with the Hunter incident the club would’ve been blasted if we were more lenient.

 

[dogs105]

Gold Coast have already received their concession for this year, which they traded to Geelong.

They still have an additional second round for next year, which they'll probably lose.

Hmm wonder why they traded that away for ridiculous unders...

 

[GrommoT]

I am hearing that if the season is not completed, then the draft order will be based on the average wins over the past three completed seasons, giving Gold Coast #1 and pushing us a fair way down the order.

We are going to get screwed.

 

[screech]

Who are you hearing that from?

Was being discussed at work

Not sure if legit, speculation, rumour, fear, denial, troublemaking, etc...

But does seem somewhat plausible

 

[radiojake]

I'm suddenly invested in the season completing

 

[arrowman]

Im probably being too simplistic, but why couldn’t the following work to get the season completed?

14 day break after round 5.

Hubs in SA, WA, NSW for rounds 6-9
4 Vic teams to SA plus us and Port
4 Vic teams to WA plus WCE and Freo
2 Vic teams to NSW plus GWS, Swans, Brisbane and GC

14 day break after round 9
All teams to VIC for rounds 10-13

Then fixture rounds 14-17 depending on where the various states are at.


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I like your thinking. So, round 5 = Sat 4 July, Round 6 = Sat 18 July, and so on... Makes Round 17 Sat 17 October, which is getting late, they'd probably want to finish the minor round end Sep / early Oct at the latest.

But they can do some catching up, because I thought the point of shortening the games was to leave room for the possibility of playing more than one game a week - so e.g. they could fit 3 rounds into 2 weeks at one or more points, if necessary. You probably also don't need the 14 day break after round 9, if teams are going in to, rather than out of, Vic?

Imagine 4 AFL rounds in a row without a single game in Victoria

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I am hearing that if the season is not completed, then the draft order will be based on the average wins over the past three completed seasons, giving Gold Coast #1 and pushing us a fair way down the order.

We are going to get screwed.

The season is getting completed. Don’t worry about it.

 

[Geoffa32]

Before we move on, I wanted to make a point about the handling of the Sidebottom case by Eddie.

Now love him or hate him (and I'm strongly in the hate camp), Eddie loves Collingwood and the players. He will do anything for them - even if it means looking like a two-faced tool in doing so.

Eddie has happily been outspoken when other players and other clubs have issues, wanting the book thrown at them. When it is his boys however, he's on the front foot defending them.

I thought in this case it was interesting how he went about it;
He firstly played it down - everyone makes mistakes!
He went to visit an injured teammmate - what a great guy Steele is!
He then blamed a different type of alcohol - Scotch. Poor Steele was the victim here!
He claimed Steele was just disorientated! Actually Eddie he was completely pissed.
Steele owned up - what a good fella. Of course he had no choice given half of Melbourne knew about it by 8 am
Steele was happy to cop the penalty for the good of the game - what a great bloke!

Now you can clearly see that Eddie is completely full of sh*t.
Steele went to visit his teammate, he started drinking. If he had two glasses of Scotch and went 'hmm that's a bit stronger than I'm used to', he would have stopped there and walked away. Instead he kept on drinking, so much so that he was found drunk at 7:30 am the next morning.

So let's put it all on the table. The Collingwood Vice-Captain, went on a mid week bender (which is bad enough given it is mid season and he is meant to be a club leader), got so pissed that he was found at 7:30 am, completely drunk, having no idea where he was and with half his clothes missing. He did all of this, with the full knowledge that the AFL is desperately trying to find a way to keep the season alive, a season in which his own team is one of the few with a genuine premiership chance, and in the middle of a pandemic that is seeing his State fall in to big trouble. Where was he between midnight and 7:30 am? Who did he come in to contact with?

I'd say 4 weeks is incredibly lenient. He should be banned for the rest of the season and be stripped of his VC role.

BUT, Eddie didn't throw his player under the bus. Despite his own previous comments and the knowledge that he would be clearly compromised and exposed as a hypocrite, he went in to bat for his player.

They accepted a sanction from the AFL, but made a big deal about how tough it was and how it was unfair etc... but that Steele wanted to accept it for the game's sake. All complete BS.

Now what would Adelaide have done?

We would have thrown the player under the bus (after we foolishly trying not to mention it for a few days). To save face for the club, we would have made statements about how disappointed we are, how irresponsible it is and how the player has to do better. We would have recommended a longer ban to the AFL, who would have handed down a 6 week ban. We would then have added our own club based sanction of two weeks as well.

The result?

Our player feels abandoned and ashamed. He is exposed and ostracised.
The Collingwood player feels loved and supported. He feels like he owes the club after they had his back.

I wonder which club has player retention issues, and which club has player wanting to play there?

Love him or hate him, Eddie's boys know that he has their back and will support them come hell or high water.

I wonder if Sidebottom had ice in his Scotch or drank it neat.....

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[Geoffa32]

Stengle.
Check how we responded to what Eddie did.
Sidebottom's was a LOT worse than Stengle's.

Stengle put other people's lives at risk.

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[Viva la Mattner]

Really wish we’d pulled the trigger on Pyke earlier and went hard for Ratten

 

[hey shorty]

St Kilda are going to be very hard to beat under the roof.

They were spanked at the G.

Hub might not work for them.

 

[ABAB]

Really wish we’d pulled the trigger on Pyke earlier and went hard for Ratten

Too early for that assessment, remember how good Pyke looked early....

 

[mattymac]

Betts looks like a scrubber in a Carlton jumper

 

[FR0GGY]

Too early for that assessment, remember how good Pyke looked early....

But we’ve seen ratten before.

 

[ABAB]

But we’ve seen ratten before.

This is Ratten 2.0

 

[hey shorty]

Betts looks like a scrubber in a Carlton jumper

That's because he is one

 

[Scorpus]

Really wish we’d pulled the trigger on Pyke earlier and went hard for Ratten

St Kilda's squad is miles better than ours

 

[hey shorty]

They do play some fast footy, love to watch it.

 

[FR0GGY]

All the AFL squad's are miles better than ours

fixed

 

[Ramses Red]

Ah now I remember marking. Seems to come in handy

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