2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Golumless]

oh, but what if we move up with 22&23?

Possible, but it's probably only Collingwoods 16th pick in play to move 22 + 23 upwards, depending on where McGuinness is rated.

Unless we think Campbell is worth pick 1 or 2, I doubt Sydney will move who are the only other team left who could be vulnerable to NGA in the first round. Rest won't budge, as there isn't a genuine reason to do so.

 

[weevil]

I heard Witherdens manager contacted the eagles to see if they would be interested. So a team which showed no interested got him. If we had made a concerted play for Witho we could have had a chance. We could certainly afford to give him more coin and opportunity. We were never in the running because we never tried, we only scour the bargain basement bin.

Yeah, he researched his options and told his manager the Eagles were the best fit for him and they made the approach.

 

[Scott Van Persett]

Seems to me we are just in the draft to help other teams improve their position , we have come out worse with every decision we have made other than getting hateley for nothing in PSD , and I’m not convinced about him either !

 

[BACCS]

I want Borlase and Newchurch somewhere on our list.

I feel like Newchurch is looking like a rookie spot if he falls that far and Borlase will take the last spot on the main list, despite what Vader thinks above.

 

[Hodgy]

oh, but what if we move up with 22&23?

This seems very likely now, I can’t see any reason to get rid of those later picks and use 40 on Borlase before the draft, as he might not have been bid on at all or made it 50 and we could have traded 40 for more than we got for those two late picks On the night.
alternatively we might have decided to use all 5 picks live, and will only take either of the NGA’s if they make it to Cat B rookies.

 

[Vader]

I feel like Newchurch is looking like a rookie spot if he falls that far and Borlase will take the last spot on the main list, despite what Vader thinks above.

That's exactly what I've been predicting would happen. Borlase to us with our last selection in the ND, possibly matching, possibly not. Newchurch to the Cat B rookie list if nobody selects him in the ND; we don't match if someone does select him.

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[huludicidal]

Remember, we have no choice - we need to take 5 players in the ND, regardless of whether or not that includes Borlase.

We can and likely will only take 4 players in the ND, with a likely promotion to Keays and the number 1 selection in the RD to follow.

Pick 40 will clearly only be used if a bid comes for Borlase prior to 40 (unlikely) OR if we convert 2 of picks 9, 22 and 23 into 1 higher pick.

Everything about the events of the last couple of days suggests we’re only making 4 selections in the draft though. It makes the most sense too - would be handy to add the best undrafted player to the rookie list on the cheap, but gives us a lot of flexibility to match a potential late bid on Borlase still if we need to.

There’s also the option of only making 3 early picks, and leaving that 4th pick right until the bitter end (trade 40 down for say 65 and a 2021 pick live on the night). 65ish and 80 would be enough to match a Borlase bid. Then if pick 65 rolls around and no bid has eventuated on Borlase, all other clubs have finished drafting and we just select the best available on our talent order.

Either way, I’d be willing to bet on the 4 National draft selections, 1 rookie upgrade, 1 rookie draft selection combo taking place.

 

[Vader]

We can and likely will only take 4 players in the ND, with a likely promotion to Keays and the number 1 selection in the RD to follow.

Pick 40 will clearly only be used if a bid comes for Borlase prior to 40 (unlikely) OR if we convert 2 of picks 9, 22 and 23 into 1 higher pick.

Everything about the events of the last couple of days suggests we’re only making 4 selections in the draft though. It makes the most sense too - would be handy to add the best undrafted player to the rookie list on the cheap, but gives us a lot of flexibility to match a potential late bid on Borlase still if we need to.

There’s also the option of only making 3 early picks, and leaving that 4th pick right until the bitter end (trade 40 down for say 65 and a 2021 pick live on the night). 65ish and 80 would be enough to match a Borlase bid. Then if pick 65 rolls around and no bid has eventuated on Borlase, all other clubs have finished drafting and we just select the best available on our talent order.

Either way, I’d be willing to bet on the 4 National draft selections, 1 rookie upgrade, 1 rookie draft selection combo taking place.

Everything that has happened in the last 48 hours suggests that your scenario is flat out wrong, and you are living in la la land.

We're taking 5 players in the ND, and we won't be upgrading Keays, Butts, or anyone else off the rookie list. That would defeat the entire purpose of putting Mackay and Davis on the rookie list in the first place.

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[Johnny Rutten]

Everything that has happened in the last 48 hours suggests that your scenario is flat out wrong, and you are living in la la land.

We're taking 5 players in the ND, and we won't be upgrading Keays, Butts, or anyone else off the rookie list. That would defeat the entire purpose of putting Mackay and Davis on the rookie list in the first place.

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Yeah, I think five in the ND.

1, 9, 22, 23 + 40 (on Borlase, regardless of whether there is a bid or not, we will choose him). I think we must be certain a bid will be placed on Borlase prior to (or around) pick 40, which probably explains the firesale on our later picks. Newchurch, I assume, will not be bid on, and finish up on our Cat B list. If he is bid on, then he goes to the bidders. We clearly don't rate the kid for our primary list. Then again, I could be completely wrong (it wouldn't be the first time, LOL)... just the way I'm reading it, at the moment.

 

[Mego Red]

Everything that has happened in the last 48 hours suggests that your scenario is flat out wrong, and you are living in la la land.

We're taking 5 players in the ND, and we won't be upgrading Keays, Butts, or anyone else off the rookie list. That would defeat the entire purpose of putting Mackay and Davis on the rookie list in the first place.

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Look - I think there's CLEARLY a version where we take 1 and 9, then when a bid comes in at 15 for McInnes, we trade 22 and 40 (though it would already be earlier) to Collingwood for 16.

They use the points and we pick at 16 and 23, then we just ride out the rest of the draft.

If a bid comes in for Borlase, he's draftee 5.

If not, there ISN'T a draftee 5. We place both Borlase and Newchurch on the Cat B list.

We probably DO move someone back to the main list who has a 2 year contract (for argument's sake, Keays) so we can take two folks on one year deals onto the rookie list; one in the supplementary list period and one in the first midyear draft.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Look - I think there's CLEARLY a version where we take 1 and 9, then when a bid comes in at 15 for McInnes, we trade 22 and 40 (though it would already be earlier) to Collingwood for 16.

They use the points and we pick at 16 and 23, then we just ride out the rest of the draft.

If a bid comes in for Borlase, he's draftee 5.

If not, there ISN'T a draftee 5. We place both Borlase and Newchurch on the Cat B list.

We probably DO move someone back to the main list who has a 2 year contract (for argument's sake, Keays) so we can take two folks on one year deals onto the rookie list; one in the supplementary list period and one in the first midyear draft.

This scenario has merit. Our picks could definitely change on draft night.

 

[Hodgy]

Look - I think there's CLEARLY a version where we take 1 and 9, then when a bid comes in at 15 for McInnes, we trade 22 and 40 (though it would already be earlier) to Collingwood for 16.

They use the points and we pick at 16 and 23, then we just ride out the rest of the draft.

If a bid comes in for Borlase, he's draftee 5.

If not, there ISN'T a draftee 5. We place both Borlase and Newchurch on the Cat B list.

We probably DO move someone back to the main list who has a 2 year contract (for argument's sake, Keays) so we can take two folks on one year deals onto the rookie list; one in the supplementary list period and one in the first midyear draft.

Pretty sure we have to take 5 in ND this year to make our minimum list size.

 

[Mego Red]

Pretty sure we have to take 5 in ND this year to make our minimum list size.

No, we could move a player back from the rookie list, or take someone else in the pre season draft or as a DFA.

There's a few options other than another main draft selection.

 

[huludicidal]

Everything that has happened in the last 48 hours suggests that your scenario is flat out wrong, and you are living in la la land.

We're taking 5 players in the ND, and we won't be upgrading Keays, Butts, or anyone else off the rookie list. That would defeat the entire purpose of putting Mackay and Davis on the rookie list in the first place.

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You were flat out wrong about Hately and the PSD, and you’ll be flat out wrong about this too. Thanks for the input though.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yeah, I think five in the ND.

1, 9, 22, 23 + 40 (on Borlase, regardless of whether there is a bid or not, we will choose him). I think we must be certain a bid will be placed on Borlase prior to (or around) pick 40, which probably explains the firesale on our later picks. Newchurch, I assume, will not be bid on, and finish up on our Cat B list. If he is bid on, then he goes to the bidders. We clearly don't rate the kid for our primary list. Then again, I could be completely wrong (it wouldn't be the first time, LOL)... just the way I'm reading it, at the moment.

I think there is still room to try and be cheeky - if on the night we get close to pick 40 and no bid for Borlace, then see if we can live trade for a clubs 4th rounder and a future 3rd or 4th. Make sure we have points later to cover off a cheeky bid on Borlace and get some extra 2021 collateral...if a club is prepared to bight on such a deal?

 

[Carmo]

Seems to me we are just in the draft to help other teams improve their position , we have come out worse with every decision we have made other than getting hateley for nothing in PSD , and I’m not convinced about him either !

meh, I don't mind getting late picks for next year as long as we are not giving away much. If we want or need we can use those next years fourths to get back into this draft late. Also, since there's likely to be a low number of players picked up this year, one can expect there to be next years normal draft crop, plus a fair batch of extra's to be drafted, so a later pick will be better value than in most other years. Then we have a couple of NGA's. Then there's also having extra picks to facilitate deals where we get some overs.

 

[arrowman]

Pretty sure we have to take 5 in ND this year to make our minimum list size.

Yes, I don't think we have the option to promote a rookie to fill the main list, once the draft begins? Still, in Mego's scenario we would draft Borlase at 80 or whatever to make it 5.

 

[Red mist]

Crows once again going for the bargain basement players.

Howard for an ok pick? Nah Frampton for peanuts.

Witherden for an ok pick? Nah Hinge for peanuts.

Witherden was looked at. Coin issue.

 

[Mong]

Everything about the events of the last couple of days suggests we’re only making 4 selections in the draft though. It makes the most sense too - would be handy to add the best undrafted player to the rookie list on the cheap, but gives us a lot of flexibility to match a potential late bid on Borlase still if we need to.

Why would we want the best undrafted player if we can get someone better in the actual ND?

 

[Red mist]

So just take 1 and 9 ??

That leaves us very short.

Get the two nga with later picks and 1 and 9 yeah?

 

[Crow till I die]

I feel like Newchurch is looking like a rookie spot if he falls that far and Borlase will take the last spot on the main list, despite what Vader thinks above.

a bit of a rough guide is to look at the mock drafts happening and there are quite a few kids that look ok being picked up. If there is only going to be 50-55 live selections then it is every chance that Newchurch goes undrafted in the ND and we get him as a cat B. I hope the club takes absolutely no risks with Borlace unless a ridiculous bid comes in inside of our early 20's picks..but even then I would hate it to not have him come to our club

 

[skittlebrew]

Witherden was looked at. Coin issue.

We're about to have coin coming out of every orifice.

 

[Red mist]

We're about to have coin coming out of every orifice.

If Gibbs is still on the payroll in some fake capacity I’d think not.

 

[skittlebrew]

If Gibbs is still on the payroll in some fake capacity I’d think not.

He'll be off next year won't he? Regardless the end is in sight for Tex, Lynch, Talia and Sloane. Then who is going to step up to get their money?

 

[Red mist]

He'll be off next year won't he? Regardless the end is in sight for Tex, Lynch, Talia and Sloane. Then who is going to step up to get their money?

Don’t forget Betts and JJ.