List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Dockzy]

He's good, but he doesn't justify what he's being paid.

Nor the pick required to get him

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He's good, but he doesn't justify what he's being paid.

This should be a word of warning to us bringing in Dawson from Sydney . We need dynamic mids more than that type of player

happy to get him but don’t sell the farm

 

[DJ75]

Or alternatively, the smart trading was by Port in selling high on blokes like Wingard and Howard to get in elite talent in Rozee/Butters/Duursma (I forget which pick was actually there's to start with)

That was the smartest move they have ever made.
And they did it while we sat on our hands.

 

[1990crow]

SA's U18 SOO Midfield is going to be something else.

C: Roberts - Horne - Rayson
R: Verrall - Draper - Jackson

Murley, Burgoyne, Dudley, Wanganeen

 

[conVINCEd]

Matt would be a good fit for them if they lose Cripps. Wonder if they'd cough up more than what we'd get as compo (likely band 3).

If the Blues lose Cripps as a free agent they certainly won’t bring in a free agent as it’d dilute/eliminate their compensation.

Could still trade for Crouch if we match a bid or it suits both parties to skip that process.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If the Blues lose Cripps as a free agent they certainly won’t bring in a free agent as it’d dilute/eliminate their compensation.

Could still trade for Crouch if we match a bid or it suits both parties to skip that process.

cripps wont leave the blues..

his manager is just doing what all managers do.. making the blues sweat and he is gonna milk them for every drop he can get out of them..

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

This should be a word of warning to us bringing in Dawson from Sydney . We need dynamic mids more than that type of player

happy to get him but don’t sell the farm

Was thinking about that (plus Milera back too) and wondering if our thinking is that dynamic, skilful mids are like hen's teeth and super expensive.

Are we trying to put together a workmanlike midfield who wins their share but is tasked with distributing it to the wingmen, half backs and outside players?

 

[Deaneus!]

Was thinking about that (plus Milera back too) and wondering if our thinking is that dynamic, skilful mids are like hen's teeth and super expensive.

Are we trying to put together a workmanlike midfield who wins their share but is tasked with distributing it to the wingmen, half backs and outside players?

I hope not go

we need two stars in the middle at least

 

[Peter Doherty]

That was the smartest move they have ever made.
And they did it while we sat on our hands.

If we go to the draft with pick 4 and don't try to move up to 1, are we sitting on our hands?

Horne is projected to be an absolute gun.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If we go to the draft with pick 4 and don't try to move up to 1, are we sitting on our hands?

Horne is projected to be an absolute gun.

probably cost too much to do so..

Sure... Horne is projected to be an absolute gun but nothing is an absolute certainty.

it would take a deal that would see us lose another high 1st round draft pick as a minimum...

I couldnt be bothered doing it.. but... have a look at the names of some of the recent pick 1’s and some of the recent pick 4’s.. see if you can judge whether expending a shiteload of draft capital is actually worth the risk/reward.

 

[1990crow]

probably cost too much to do so..

Sure... Horne is projected to be an absolute gun but nothing is an absolute certainty.

it would take a deal that would see us lose another high 1st round draft pick as a minimum...

I couldnt be bothered doing it.. but... have a look at the names of some of the recent pick 1’s and some of the recent pick 4’s.. see if you can judge whether expending a shiteload of draft capital is actually worth the risk/reward.

It's like Rozee vs Jones and McHenry.
I'm going Rozee.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's like Rozee vs Jones and McHenry.
I'm going Rozee.

its not at all...

its Sam Walsh or Max King plus whatever you’ve given up to move up
its Rowell or Ash plus whatever you give up to move up
its raynor vs LDU plus whatever you give up to move up

the three players you meantioned weren't even taken at 1 or 4..

 

[Peter Doherty]

probably cost too much to do so..

Sure... Horne is projected to be an absolute gun but nothing is an absolute certainty.

it would take a deal that would see us lose another high 1st round draft pick as a minimum...

I couldnt be bothered doing it.. but... have a look at the names of some of the recent pick 1’s and some of the recent pick 4’s.. see if you can judge whether expending a shiteload of draft capital is actually worth the risk/reward.

It's interesting. Some said we sat on our hands and should have tried for Rankine or Lukosius in '18, lesser extent Rozee. We likely will have pick 4, there is another top 3 rated South Aussie this year.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's interesting. Some said we sat on our hands and should have tried for Rankine or Lukosius in '18, lesser extent Rozee. We likely will have pick 4, there is another top 3 rated South Aussie this year.

possibly Roberts.. but he’s just done a pretty serious ankle injury according to reports.. that might see him slide if he cant get back on the field and to his best by seasons end..

 

[Crow till I die]

If we go to the draft with pick 4 and don't try to move up to 1, are we sitting on our hands?

Horne is projected to be an absolute gun.

It totally depends what North would want and if they value Horne that highly, what do you think the would want to let it go. Or put it another way, if we had pick 1 and Horne was THE standout mid, how much would another club have to offer up for us to trade that pick. And for the record, whatever North would want it will be way way more than we could afford to offer up

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

probably cost too much to do so..

Sure... Horne is projected to be an absolute gun but nothing is an absolute certainty.

it would take a deal that would see us lose another high 1st round draft pick as a minimum...

I couldnt be bothered doing it.. but... have a look at the names of some of the recent pick 1’s and some of the recent pick 4’s.. see if you can judge whether expending a shiteload of draft capital is actually worth the risk/reward.

Looking at previous drafts, I’m keeping pick 4

 

[goyoucrows]

It's interesting. Some said we sat on our hands and should have tried for Rankine or Lukosius in '18, lesser extent Rozee. We likely will have pick 4, there is another top 3 rated South Aussie this year.

That draft will forever piss me off because we had a better hand than port going into it, then they leapfrogged us with the polec wingard deals.

If only we got rid of our deadwood too that year. 18 was all about pushing the prem window open but instead we then got rid of 2 1srs for Gibbs to basically ruin a good part of our current rebuild.

 

[Bearded Clam]

That draft will forever piss me off because we had a better hand than port going into it, then they leapfrogged us with the polec wingard deals.

If only we got rid of our deadwood too that year. 18 was all about pushing the prem window open but instead we then got rid of 2 1srs for Gibbs to basically ruin a good part of our current rebuild.

hindsight is a wonderful thing..

imagine end of 2017 we;

said no to gibbs.. kept 10 and 16..
traded a contracted Sloane to saints for their two firsts (7&8 they had) or even one of their firsts (7) and a second.
still traded cameron for 12

4 first rounders from that 2017 draft hitting their straps right about now would be nice..

but we thought we were still contenders.. thats how wrong we were!.

 

[Peter Doherty]

It totally depends what North would want and if they value Horne that highly, what do you think the would want to let it go. Or put it another way, if we had pick 1 and Horne was THE standout mid, how much would another club have to offer up for us to trade that pick. And for the record, whatever North would want it will be way way more than we could afford to offer up

I don't think I'd trade up to pick 1 for Horne, doesn't mean I'd necessarily be against it. Hard to be against it when Horne is in the tri colours.

Our future first would likely be involved as I doubt we'll trade a player that will get us another first rounder and pick 4 and 2nd rounders wouldn't get it done.

My preferred option is moving next year's first to this year, take 2x mids with our first 2 picks.

If Matt leaves we could have 3 x 2nd rounders, that's interesting.

 

[ABAB]

That draft will forever piss me off because we had a better hand than port going into it, then they leapfrogged us with the polec wingard deals.

If only we got rid of our deadwood too that year. 18 was all about pushing the prem window open but instead we then got rid of 2 1srs for Gibbs to basically ruin a good part of our current rebuild.

2018 was about pushing the premiership window open? We were already in the premiership window and supposedly for another 3-4 years after 2017, what "deadwood" would you have traded given we just played in the Grand Final the previous year and 2018 was supposedly caused by the hamstring injury curse but now we know CM caused a lot more damage to the playing group.

 

[DJ75]

If we go to the draft with pick 4 and don't try to move up to 1, are we sitting on our hands?

Horne is projected to be an absolute gun.

Now? No. We are finally actually trying to do something and have some semblance of a plan.
Back then? We sat on our hands when we had every opportunity to make moves.

 

[Crow_68]

Saad is pretty good

Paid for Saad with Nik Cox.......

 

[Bearded Clam]

Saad is pretty good

Saad is a “poor man’s” Bachar Houli...

 

[Danger in Texas]

Carlton would have been better off giving the Williams money to Brad Crouch, he is what they needed, or accepting Jarryd Lyons when we offered him in the Gibbs trade.

They've made some terrible list management decisions over the the last 20 years and their development skills are just as bad.

Hahaha I completely forgot about our Lyons offer for Gibbs. Seems like a horrific judgement from Carlton's staff now (in hindsight, of course)

That said, we're not much better (neither is GC)

 

[Danger in Texas]

This should be a word of warning to us bringing in Dawson from Sydney . We need dynamic mids more than that type of player

happy to get him but don’t sell the farm

What would you classify as the farm, Jeff?

I really think we could do with him, but if we're paying a good 1st round pick, I wouldn't go down that creek

(incoming Dawson's Creek references)