List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[hey shorty]

Maybe if you watch Murley play you would agree with Rawlings" assessment, I certainly do.

I've seen him play a fair bit in recent weeks, and I like what I see

 

[Mutineer]

I've seen him play a fair bit in recent weeks, and I like what I see

And you disagree with Jade Rawlings assessment that he has a future as a small forward at AFL level?

 

[Thetrader15]

Don't forget Jason has only been playing limited midfield minutes in South's league team which feeds into that. His kicking's alright but not on the same level as that of Matt Roberts.

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

 

[Mutineer]

Thanks for the feedback bicks. I also liked the look of Wagner from the swans. Quick hard at it. I wonder if his brother is a similar player

Wagner?

I was wondering if I'd missed someone then I worked out you probably mean Warner?

If so he's a WA/East Fremantle outside mid Corey Warner, if that's who you mean can't say I recall having seen him play so I'f have to take your word for it.

 

[Golumless]

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

A Simon Black type would do wonders in a midfield with Schoenberg, Berry and Pedlar. Good bit of x-factor in that bunch so far.

 

[cleanhands]

A Simon Black type would do wonders in a midfield with Schoenberg, Berry and Pedlar. Good bit of x-factor in that bunch so far.

I thought Pedlar looked and moved a lot like Black, anything close to Black would be satisfying

 

[Mutineer]

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

I don't know about X factor but I reckon everyone to a man would like the player we take to be another Simon Black.

 

[hey shorty]

And you disagree with Jade Rawlings assessment that he has a future as a small forward at AFL level?

I think hes probably more than that

 

[BunjiMac]

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

Do you know how hard it is to actually be a Simon Black type?

 

[jackster83]

Do you know how hard it is to actually be a Simon Black type?

Black was an absolute ****ing gun. One of the best decision makers and ball users I've seen.

 

[hey shorty]

Black was an absolute ******* gun. One of the best decision makers and ball users I've seen.

Would be an awful shame to find one of those

 

[70lethal]

Interesting comparing list profile for WB at the beginning of 2016 and us this year.
Midfield was mainly 21 & 22 y.o. with Bont, Hunter, Macrae, mixed with a few 24 y.o. Liba, Wallis.
Boyd and murphy pushed to defence.

Within 2 years our profile will be way better so the expectations should be set high without excuses.
We will have almost double the amount of draft picks taken in the top 20 than WB had at the time.

Pressure on Hamish and Co this year as quality of draft picks over the past 4 drafts should see a side oozing class especially in the midfield in the near future.

Club	Senior List	Rookies	Average Age	Age Rank	Average Games	Games Rank	Average Goals	Goals Rank	Average Votes	Votes Rank
Adelaide	38 players	8 (+0 cat B)	23.6 years	18th	54.0 games	16th	29.0 goals	14th	8.2 votes	14th

Western Bulldogs

40 players

4 (+0 cat B)

23.6 years

13th

57.2 games

10th

28.4 goals

15th

7.0 votes

15th

 

[GrommoT]

Big weekend for us. Go Hawks and Roos.
If we finish last would have to ask the question about a priority pick.

If we finish last, we should keep a low profile and hope no one asks any questions...

 

[Crows I Am]

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

I'd be pretty happy if we took him and he ended up matching Simon Black's career. Brownlow, Norm Smith and a hall of Famer.

 

[Kraven]

Would it be worth using one of our second or third rounders to get Stephens from Sydney. He's in and out of that side like a yoyo. Or is he not worth it with the quality of mids in the draft this year

 

[1990crow]

Would it be worth using one of our second or third rounders to get Stephens from Sydney. He's in and out of that side like a yoyo. Or is he not worth it with the quality of mids in the draft this year

I would take him. Melbourne’s second rounder looking about right.

 

[DaKids]

Does Roberts have that x-factor we need in the mids?

From the limited highlights, seems a Simon Black type?

What actually is “x factor” anyway?

34 touches, 8 marks, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 10 inside 50’s, 3.1. is that X factor or a damned hard working midfielder?

That’s an U18 game Matty played this year. I don’t know about X factor - but he’ll do a lot toward winning you a game of football.

 

[Grenville]

What actually is “x factor” anyway?

34 touches, 8 marks, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 10 inside 50’s, 3.1. is that X factor or a damned hard working midfielder?

That’s an U18 game Matty played this year. I don’t know about X factor - but he’ll do a lot toward winning you a game of football.

Bit like "Elite", gets overused and bastardised over time. Dictionary says "a noteworthy special talent or quality". For me in footy terms applies more to your Eddie Betts type small forwards where doing the impossible a few times a game gets prioritised over doing the excellent/very good consistently that you want from mids.

 

[Thetrader15]

Do you know how hard it is to actually be a Simon Black type?

I was saying he's not a great pick, but people on here would be calling for Hamish's head again if we picked a sub 185cm mid who wasn't running sub 2.9 sec 20m.

 

[70lethal]

I was saying he's not a great pick, but people on here would be calling for Hamish's head again if we picked a sub 185cm mid who wasn't running sub 2.9 sec 20m.

I think if we had a Simon Black we wouldn't be looking at pick 1 or 2.

The fact you continue to ignore our midfield is horrific and we have had bucket loads of picks to have a quality midfield and that's ultimately on Hamish, development and coaches.

So if any of Milera, Jones, McHenry, Gallucci, Poholke are/remotely tracking of any significance then they should have replaced at least one of our hacks.
Schoenberg, Pedlar and Berry plus this year picks will give him 10 cracks at getting a decent midfield and he also has had picks 17 Doedee, 12 Fogarty, 6 McAsey, 2 TT, 28 Worrell to use to get a matching winning midfield so the fact is they have failed badly so far.

We will have 18 selections under pick 30 after this draft. The dogs had 12 in their 2016 flag.

It's been an epic fail so far as games are won in the midfield and wonder why we aren't winning with our group of elite turnover kings.

There's no excuses or hiding if there isn't a dramatic improvement next year.

 

[jackster83]

I was saying he's not a great pick, but people on here would be calling for Hamish's head again if we picked a sub 185cm mid who wasn't running sub 2.9 sec 20m.

That Pendlebury/Cotchin/Black/Hodge composed mid is what we have lacked for over a decade. Those sort of players win you finals (and usually end up winning Norm Smiths).

 

[Crow_68]

I was saying he's not a great pick, but people on here would be calling for Hamish's head again if we picked a sub 185cm mid who wasn't running sub 2.9 sec 20m.

You mean like Sam Walsh?

 

[UcantCme]

That Pendlebury/Cotchin/Black/Hodge composed mid is what we have lacked for over a decade. Those sort of players win you finals (and usually end up winning Norm Smiths).

J Lyon is pretty composed

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[baldandbroke]

So a loss today and we move up Lore's table above GWS - almost level with the Hawks who will drop down a bit.



Of course lots of machinations with other clubs picks on both sides, but moving solidly into pick 2 ... with an eye on Pick 1 is about all we can hope for in terms of draft picks.

Even if North don't scrape above us on the ladder - the last guy we got at pick #2 is pretty decent

I'm still unsure of how we trade in enough currency to have a shot at Rankine / Luko (this year or next). We could do with both a freaky skilled hard at it small forward AND an absolute elite disposer running out of our backines / on the wing.

Is there a trade route that allows us to get more high end players into the club? Gold Coast have #4 and #7 - I'm guessing Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

is looking for a longer tenure than we are offering which should add to our basket of goods.

At what point the potential missed opportunities outweigh Horne's cost? What is the tipping point? Elite mid is something we are desperate for. Second coming of Fyfe is a nice idea, didn't win Freo any premierships though :-(

Could we keep a pick inside the top 5 for a mid and land Rankine or Luko?

Jeez, imagine getting handed a pp (like GC got #1 and #20 in 2019) - maybe it's just our history at the draft / trade table talking ... but I'd be petrified of how badly we could stuff it up!!

 

[FullyBigKPro]

One can only dream but if miraculously we got a start of first round PP - you would take both Horne and Roberts.... Our midfield with them, Berry, Schoenburg and Pedlar would be sorted for the next decade.