List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[LoBu]

I'm sure every prospective young footballer loves the experience of spending time in a professional environment.

I just think this is a non-issue. Local players drafted to the Crows or Port just don't change to the other side.

Statistically it probably happens just as much as any two AFL clubs, I can think of enough to know that it does happen.

 

[LoBu]

You are right but it all comes down to Hamish, the pressure is really on. He’s had 2 good years now but before that, he was terrible. If he stuffs this up, the rebuild will take another 2 years. Just pick best available with our first pick and stop trying to outsmart the other clubs. If anyone offers us more for our 2 second round pick, do it but never trade our first

Yep, but a rebuild is probably the most exciting part of a list manager's career. Previously Hamish et al were going for need, filling small list gaps, with no high-end talent available to him.

But don't you get the feeling that we will pick Horne at pick 1 if we have it, and Roberts at pick 2 or 3? Roberts could be rated 7-8 and we would still pick him at the first opportunity.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've had a bit to do with Dylan in the past. He was a great lad. Confident in his ability, but pretty humble. I'd be surprised if this was the case, but being a high draft pick might have changed that.

You're much closer to Stephens, so I bow to your observation .....I also think the lad should stay and fight for his place, rather than seek greener pastures

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Wayno's made a few bizarre calls today haha.

 

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ZANG!

 

[DaKids]

We thought we were on the good end of Hately jumping ship too ? ......still interesting the drums are not beating that loudly about Stephens to the Crows

My "soft" take is Stephens has a pretty high opinion of himself ....and his ego has been hurt due to non selection

I think we should all take care about making sweeping assessments of these young lads character/personality. Critique their football sure, but these kids work damned hard to get themselves on a path that’s tough and full of potholes.

Unless you’re in the inner circle there is no way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes and what off field things influence their performance.

 

[Crowtel]

How could I mix up St Kilda with GC LOL ......43 goals aint anything to crow about

If Fritsch (39) and Josh Bruce (45) are in the conversation, it shows how weak goalkickers are ......and after such a promising start to the season with FF's being held back in the FWD 50 .....AFL Coach's have once again destroyed the game ....and and Umpires for not adhering to the "stand" rule, or protected zone

Last weekend players were regularly moving on the mark, with no penalties

That's some tangent you've gone on there.

Statistically, Max King is the 6th best forward in the AFL. In a terrible team.

 

[DJ75]

You're much closer to Stephens, so I bow to your observation .....I also think the lad should stay and fight for his place, rather than seek greener pastures

I can't speak for what he is like now - I haven't spoken to him for a while, and experiences can change a person. What I knew of him though was as I said, humble. He was actually a great kid.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think we should all take care about making sweeping assessments of these young lads character/personality. Critique their football sure, but these kids work damned hard to get themselves on a path that’s tough and full of potholes.

Unless you’re in the inner circle there is no way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes and what off field things influence their performance.

True to a large degree ......but often the actions of a player most certainly is an indication of a players character / personality

You telling me you can't tell what Stringer is like as a bloke ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's some tangent you've gone on there.

Statistically, Max King is the 6th best forward in the AFL. In a terrible team.

I'm just saying ....just on 2 goals a game from an AFL Fwd is nothing to go into raptures over .....maybe I'm from an era where the bare minimum for a #1 FWD was 70+ goals

 

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True to a lrage degree ......but often the actions of a player most certainly is an indication of a players character / personality

You telling me you can't tell what Stringer is like as a bloke ?

But then again there's players like Dusty, big intense unit, super confident and covered in Tatts and physically dominating people all over the park. Then you get him in front of a microphone and he's completely nervous and shy to the point its almost awkward.

The cover doesn't always reflect the content

 

[CROW in BALI]

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Visual diagnosis.

SuperCoach induced anxiety

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But then again there's players like Dusty, big intense unit, super confident and covered in Tatts and physically dominating people all over the park. Then you get him in front of a microphone and he's completely nervous and shy to the point its almost awkward.

The cover doesn't always reflect the content

Completely agree here .....I certainly don't judge the cover ....always lived by the code: don't listen to the words, judge the actions .....never a truer code IMO

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Visual diagnosis.

SuperCoach induced anxiety

LOL ....Compensated for by a top 400 ranking in AFL Fantasy ....only thing keeping me sane

 

[DaKids]

True to a lrage degree ......but often the actions of a player most certainly is an indication of a players character / personality

You telling me you can't tell what Stringer is like as a bloke ?

I can’t speak for blokes who’ve been in the system and made a career. Success and fame can do funny things. I do work a lot with young kids at U16, U18 and school levels. My own experience is they are almost always good, earnest people desperate to do the right thing.

More than ever before there is a glaring focus on being a good person, a good team mate, respectful and community minded - all on top of being an elite athlete. I cant speak for them all of course but overall the vast majority will be trying to do the right thing and not waste the chance they’ve worked a lifetime for. I’d be very surprised if any kid in their first 1-2 years were being a prince thinking they Are better then others.

 

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Completely agree here .....I certainly don't judge the cover ....always lived by the code: don't listen to the words, judge the actions .....never a truer code IMO

Agreed! And its not always easy either. Some people like to put up the biggest misdirects on their cover!

My work requires me to work with a lot of freight companies so I talk to drivers all the time, and many seem like big, angry thugs on the outside, but once you chat to them for a minute you realize most of them just want a cup of tea and a chinwag.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can’t speak for blokes who’ve been in the system and made a career. Success and fame can do funny things. I do work a lot with young kids at U16, U18 and school levels. My own experience is they are almost always good, earnest people desperate to do the right thing.

More than ever before there is a glaring focus on being a good person, a good team mate, respectful and community minded - all on top of being an elite athlete. I cant speak for them all of course but overall the vast majority will be trying to do the right thing and not waste the chance they’ve worked a lifetime for. I’d be very surprised if any kid in their first 1-2 years were being a prince thinking they Are better then others.

I agree with these comments .....I do think the AFL Drafting system is partly at fault here ....."On the Road to the Draft" and all the other drafting shows builds up the hype on these impressionable kids, particularly at the pointy end .....it's understandable that "some" allow the hype to boost their ego and self importance

The two that immediately come to mind are JUH and Archie Perkins .....JUH with some attitudinal issues early in the year

But we've also seen changes in behaviour whereby these 1st round picks come into clubs with all the hype, publicity, and media interviews .....paraded by clubs ....and we don't see the same degree of hard works and effort that got them the opportunity in the first place

How many have lamented being stuck in the reserves whilst other 1st round picks have played AFL consistently .....it certainly got under the claw of JUH .....but there's been many others over recent years

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agreed! And its not always easy either. Some people like to put up the biggest misdirects on their cover!

My work requires me to work with a lot of freight companies so I talk to drivers all the time, and many seem like big, angry thugs on the outside, but once you chat to them for a minute you realize most of them just want a cup of tea and a chinwag.

There's also the opposite .....in my career reading people has been at the core of my profession ....I've also found that often the nicer people are, and how they package themselves .....the more devious they are (to put it nicely)

It's how fraudsters succeed

 

[Mutineer]

Maybe get back to the lads' football talents and their perceived on field strengths and weaknesses heading into the AFL.

I've noticed some on this thread are all about what the lads do extremely well but don't really look at the weaknesses in their game and areas they will need to work on in their game to be more complete footballers at the highest level.

I probably put a bit more emphasis on contested football more than some but there's not usually a lot of easy ball to be had at AFL level and some highly selected draftees have certainly struggled in this area of the game at AFL level.

 

[Jirkago75]

Yep, but a rebuild is probably the most exciting part of a list manager's career. Previously Hamish et al were going for need, filling small list gaps, with no high-end talent available to him.

But don't you get the feeling that we will pick Horne at pick 1 if we have it, and Roberts at pick 2 or 3? Roberts could be rated 7-8 and we would still pick him at the first opportunity.

I believe we are spooked due to losing players consistently. We should have had at least 3 or 4 more years at the top after 2017 but end up losing Lever, CC and McGovern. Lose those 3 sets you back a few years. They may try to go local if there isn’t much difference. I don’t mind it if the difference is low, we should go local but not if the talent between local and interstate is big. West coast always go local if it’s like that.

 

[Mego Red]

Why ? .....I thought this subject of players abandoning clubs after their initial 2 year contract was not acceptable

Stephens plays 14 games in his first 2 years .....not enough says he, the entitled one

So instead of putting his head down, improving his game and fighting for his spot in the team .....he looks to jump ship on a club that is the envy of the league this year

Is he looking for guaranteed games or a big pay check after only 2 years ? ......but people forget all those analytics, and what they've said about the likes of Gunston leaving ....because this time it suits us

Do you mean Gunston, who was going to win our best young player away the year he left?

I am perfectly fine with players leaving for more opportunity. The league NEEDS that to happen if we're going to have any kind of equalisation.

Young players leaving to get more opportunity is the best possible thing for the league.

 

[Mego Red]

As long as you hold the same view if say a Pedlar leaves at the end of next year

Is this a situation where Pedlar is leaving for more opportunity?

I'd be ropable at the club if that happened.

 

[Mego Red]

This is a player issue, not a club issue .....can't blame SYD for Stephens jumping ship

The same as you couldn't blame the Crows for Gunston doing the dirty ......you're trying to say it's a club issue to pander to entitled players .....I disagree vehemently, as it shows a weakness of character that will inevitably be exposed in a Final

Sydney haven't played Stephens so he leaves to further his career. That is absolutely fair enough.

You're massively off the mark here.

 

[Mego Red]

I genuinely chuckled at that reference to Downsborough - obscure but quite on point

Thanks - it had a limited audience but I thought I'd try it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Do you mean Gunston, who was going to win our best young player away the year he left?

I am perfectly fine with players leaving for more opportunity. The league NEEDS that to happen if we're going to have any kind of equalisation.

Young players leaving to get more opportunity is the best possible thing for the league.

No it's not, if it's after an initial 2 year contract ......defeats the whole purpose of the Draft and equalization

Not a chance in hell it's the best outcome for the AFL