List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Mutineer]

Still went second round!

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After being touted as a possible top 10 pick after his Nationals performance.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Gee you say some weird things sometimes.

Why ? .....I thought this subject of players abandoning clubs after their initial 2 year contract was not acceptable

Stephens plays 14 games in his first 2 years .....not enough says he, the entitled one

So instead of putting his head down, improving his game and fighting for his spot in the team .....he looks to jump ship on a club that is the envy of the league this year

Is he looking for guaranteed games or a big pay check after only 2 years ? ......but people forget all those analytics, and what they've said about the likes of Gunston leaving ....because this time it suits us

 

[Golumless]

I'm sure every prospective young footballer loves the experience of spending time in a professional environment.

I just think this is a non-issue. Local players drafted to the Crows or Port just don't change to the other side.

Pretty much. When was the last best 22 one, Bode?

There has been a couple of never been to switch over though.

 

[Golumless]

Why ? .....I thought this subject of players abandoning clubs after their initial 2 year contract was not acceptable

Stephens plays 14 games in his first 2 years .....not enough says he, the entitled one

So instead of putting his head down, improve his game and fight for his spot in the team .....he looks to jump ship on a club that is the envy of the league this year

Is he looking for guaranteed games or a big pay check after only 2 years ? ......but people forget all those analytics, and what they've said about the likes of Gunston leaving ....because this time it suits us

Probably a regular best 22 spot if anything.

I have no genuine issue with it. You don't have a lot of time to make it as a footballer (let's say 4-5 years, tops), so there is no point grinding away at a club for loyalty sake if you can get a better shot at a gig elsewhere.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Probably a regular best 22 spot if anything.

I have no genuine issue with it. You don't have a lot of time to make it as a footballer (let's say 4-5 years, tops), so there is no point grinding away at a club for loyalty sake if you can get a better shot at a gig elsewhere.

As long as you hold the same view if say a Pedlar leaves at the end of next year

 

[Golumless]

As long as you hold the same view if say a Pedlar leaves at the end of next year

I'll gladly tear into the club if Pedlar leaves, but there would be no animosity towards Pedlar himself if it happens.

After all, it's on the club to prioritise their talented kids.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'll gladly tear into the club if Pedlar leaves, but there would be no animosity towards Pedlar himself if it happens.

After all, it's on the club to prioritise their talented kids.

This is a player issue, not a club issue .....can't blame SYD for Stephens jumping ship

The same as you couldn't blame the Crows for Gunston doing the dirty ......you're trying to say it's a club issue to pander to entitled players .....I disagree vehemently, as it shows a weakness of character that will inevitably be exposed in a Final

 

[Crow till I die]

Fabian Francis?

What did he play - maybe four years?

Not sure if the "your step dad played here for a handful of years two decades ago" is a massive lure.

I guess if Port got Ian Downsborough's kid, we could do a trade.

I genuinely chuckled at that reference to Downsborough - obscure but quite on point

 

[Gtowncrow]

M

And maybe do a Brett Chalmers, given his family's Port Adelaide heritage?

Maybe.
But the chances of a number one draft pick jumping to our arch enemy after just two years is extremely low.
Can you just imagine the level of hatred this young man would face for the rest of his life. Just walking to the shops would become a nightmare of abuse towards him. And the showdown home crowd...far out that would be passionate, and crushing for him and his team.
It's still a small town and he would be living in it for at least his footy career.
Best he sticks with us, wins multiple premierships, grabs a couple of Brownlows and never needs to buy a beer for the rest of his life.

 

[MarcusP2]

This is a player issue, not a club issue .....can't blame SYD for Stephens jumping ship

The same as you couldn't blame the Crows for Gunston doing the dirty ......you're trying to say it's a club issue to pander to entitled players .....I disagree vehemently, as it shows a weakness of character that will inevitably be exposed in a Final

Gunston won three premierships and was in the running for a Norm? When was he exposed in finals?

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[hey shorty]

Gunston won three premierships and was in the running for a Norm? When was he exposed in finals?

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Maybe he meant exposed "to" finals.

 

[jackster83]

Gunston won three premierships and was in the running for a Norm? When was he exposed in finals?

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Wayno's made a few bizarre calls today haha.

 

[Sanders]

If every club had 7 & 9 you might hit one that sees another player in Horne league and gap to the rest who might do the trade. But the likelihood of the one club with those picks seeing it that way is pretty slim.

Anytime you have the chance of turning a super high draft hand into Chayce & Ned you just have to do it

I mean Hartlett & Pittard & Butcher is worth the price of entry all day long

 

[Sanders]

Strange don't you think that Ed Pascoe with the resources that AFL Draft Central have at their fingertips doesn't have access to these "testing results"?

Can't seem to find them on the SANFL or Panthers website?

What resources do they have? Aren’t they just amateur train spotters like everybody else

 

[Betts are off]

After being touted as a possible top 10 pick after his Nationals performance.

Off topic, have you seen much of Nasiah Wanganeen? His name has been popping up a bit on Road to the Draft lately so I checked him out. Seems to play wing almost exclusively from what i've seen, and like's to use his low kick (actually thought he kicked a lot like Milera from the tape). Seemed like a smooth mover, but in the clips I saw didn't play with a lot of urgency, more of a cruiser.

 

[Mutineer]

Off topic, have you seen much of Nasiah Wanganeen? His name has been popping up a bit on Road to the Draft lately so I checked him out. Seems to play wing almost exclusively from what i've seen, and like's to use his low kick (actually thought he kicked a lot like Milera from the tape). Seemed like a smooth mover, but in the clips I saw didn't play with a lot of urgency, more of a cruiser.

I think your definition is pretty much on point, ridiculously talented skills wise and athletically gifted but very outside from what I've seen.

Could be a boom or bust type?

 

[Mutineer]

Going back to Dudley, I have not seen him play live but in terms of his talent level, where does he sit when compared to Rankine in terms of pure talent - not worrying about commitment etc, just pure talent?

The thinking here is that if he is as highly talented as what Bamford is alluding to, surely the club would have it much easier taking Dudley and moving on

Did you also notice Bangers reference to Blayne O'Loughlin's game re being more accountable for his opponent so it's pretty obvious he's seen what a lot of draft watchers have also picked up on as a weakness in his game?

 

[DaKids]

Off topic, have you seen much of Nasiah Wanganeen? His name has been popping up a bit on Road to the Draft lately so I checked him out. Seems to play wing almost exclusively from what i've seen, and like's to use his low kick (actually thought he kicked a lot like Milera from the tape). Seemed like a smooth mover, but in the clips I saw didn't play with a lot of urgency, more of a cruiser.

Lovely young player who plays exclusively as a wing. The thing I’ve noticed that I like is that he tracks back well and helps out defensively. Good engine and a good sign that he isn’t just a one way player.

I liked Bamfords comments about him. I think it was Bamford. Saying he’s a wing. No point trying to turn an apple into an orange, best accept what he is and use what he does do to best effect. I think the ability to position correctly and always find space as an outlet is underrated. No point having 18 inside gorillas.

 

[Betts are off]

Lovely young player who plays exclusively as a wing. The thing I’ve noticed that I like is that he tracks back well and helps out defensively. Good engine and a good sign that he isn’t just a one way player.

I liked Bamfords comments about him. I think it was Bamford. Saying he’s a wing. No point trying to turn an apple into an orange, best accept what he is and use what he does do to best effect. I think the ability to position correctly and always find space as an outlet is underrated. No point having 18 inside gorillas.

Didn't notice the 2 way running but its a good trait to have as a underage winger. I don't mind him being a professional wingman, but would also like to see him reach his top gear a few more times before the draft hits. In the clips i've seen I don't think i've seen him really bust a line, or cut open a team with dashing run yet, which is a trait I personally like in outside mids.

The kid seems to have a wicked sidestep on him though, shook a few guys right out of their boots!

 

[DJ75]

Why ? .....I thought this subject of players abandoning clubs after their initial 2 year contract was not acceptable

Stephens plays 14 games in his first 2 years .....not enough says he, the entitled one

So instead of putting his head down, improving his game and fighting for his spot in the team .....he looks to jump ship on a club that is the envy of the league this year

Is he looking for guaranteed games or a big pay check after only 2 years ? ......but people forget all those analytics, and what they've said about the likes of Gunston leaving ....because this time it suits us

You are of course 100% correct. We are picking and choosing when it suits us.

I think all are against the idea that players can up and leave after 2 years, but, having been on the end of it in the past, it's logical that we might want to also be on the good end of it now.

 

[Betts are off]

I think your definition is pretty much on point, ridiculously talented skills wise and athletically gifted but very outside from what I've seen.

Could be a boom or bust type?

He's certainly got some nice tools that are quite attractive, but yeah I also could see a reality where he became one of those guys who doesn't step up to the next level as well.

I'm gonna keep tracking him, think he'll be one to watch come nationals (fingers crossed we have them). Try and hone down my opinion on him afterwards.

 

[Vader]

This is a player issue, not a club issue .....can't blame SYD for Stephens jumping ship

The same as you couldn't blame the Crows for Gunston doing the dirty ......you're trying to say it's a club issue to pander to entitled players .....I disagree vehemently, as it shows a weakness of character that will inevitably be exposed in a Final

Gunston did not leave because of any lack of opportunities.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Gunston did not leave because of any lack of opportunities.

No, that was probably a bad example, but was top of mind ....but you know what I mean

OK think of Brisbane losing the likes of Polec, Karnezis, Yeo, Longer and Aish to name a few. All first round draft picks, gone in the space of 3 years

What about Tom Skully jumping ship on MELB to chase a big payday at GWS ......or Boyd

Clubs on the recieving end of these players don't complain of course .....supporters only yell foul when it impacts their club

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You are of course 100% correct. We are picking and choosing when it suits us.

I think all are against the idea that players can up and leave after 2 years, but, having been on the end of it in the past, it's logical that we might want to also be on the good end of it now.

We thought we were on the good end of Hately jumping ship too ? ......still interesting the drums are not beating that loudly about Stephens to the Crows

My "soft" take is Stephens has a pretty high opinion of himself ....and his ego has been hurt due to non selection

 

[DJ75]

We thought we were on the good end of Hately jumping ship too ? ......still interesting the drums are not beating that loudly about Stephens to the Crows

My "soft" take is Stephens has a pretty high opinion of himself ....and his ego has been hurt due to non selection

I've had a bit to do with Dylan in the past. He was a great lad. Confident in his ability, but pretty humble. I'd be surprised if this was the case, but being a high draft pick might have changed that.

Personally I think he should stay and earn his position.

I'd be more interested in Hayward. I still think he has midfield ability.