List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[AstuteTiger]

Could this ball-magnet slide? All your draft questions answered
Nat Edwards and Cal Twomey discuss the latest NAB AFL Draft news

https://www.afl.com.au/video/685408...dal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1634781523001

 

[Muddiemoose]

A lot of hate for selecting Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis in this board (not necessarily this post which is just stating fact) but I don’t view them as poor selections as such. Having known quite a lot of players there are different reasons that careers don’t go to plan, rarely is it anything to do with talent. Both these guys had serious weapons that could have justified first round selection. Corey Ellis just never had any confidence in himself and Lennon was almost the complete opposite, the game came so easily for him as a junior and he didn’t have the work ethic/desire to fight for a career. At the end of the day there is a only a small percentage that become superstars and then quite a few that pave out good careers as not much more than very good role players.

100% it’s very easy to be critical in hindsight but given the information the club had the time of drafting they were good picks
I remember the hype when we drafted them it’s just they never managed to reach that projected potential

It’s the same as every draft, a lot more fail or not meet potential than become superstars

 

[Grrr]

A lot of hate for selecting Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis in this board (not necessarily this post which is just stating fact) but I don’t view them as poor selections as such. Having known quite a lot of players there are different reasons that careers don’t go to plan, rarely is it anything to do with talent. Both these guys had serious weapons that could have justified first round selection. Corey Ellis just never had any confidence in himself and Lennon was almost the complete opposite, the game came so easily for him as a junior and he didn’t have the work ethic/desire to fight for a career. At the end of the day there is a only a small percentage that become superstars and then quite a few that pave out good careers as not much more than very good role players.

I agree in regard to talent, both had a good deal of it. Their major problem I think was their lack of leg speed. You can get away with it at junior level, but not a senior level. For a centre mid Ellis was way to slow and had no agility, and Lennon for a half forward was also very slow. Since then we have drafted for speed, Higgins aside. Even our lower draft picks like Broad, Short, Mansell, Stack, Pickett, Baker, Castagna, Parker, Miller, Biggy etc are all quick.

Hence I think the selectors might go for speed again, unless someone like Callaghan falls, who looks like he doesn't need speed, like Bont and Pendlebury.

 

[Grrr]

Unlikely to get a game buster with 7 this year. Outside the big 4, just as likely to get a bust as an out and out gun. Or we play it safer with a Hobbs type (although nearly every phantom draft I've seen have him going top 5).

As Knightmare said, outside that top 4, you should be expecting a player who'll hopefully be around your best 10 players on list, which Graham wouldn't be too far off. If we get an A grader I'll be wrapt. But I'm managing my expectations.

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There looks to be plenty of talent, we have hardly seen the Vic boys play, so that has made if difficult for draft watchers. Graham is not near out top 10. Had a pretty good year and gets the most our of himself, but on talent nowhere near it.

 

[Roksman]

A few people were very critical of his kicking.
Whilst he may not be the purest in terms of kicking style, I don't see alarm bells for a KPD.

 

[Damo80]

There looks to be plenty of talent, we have hardly seen the Vic boys play, so that has made if difficult for draft watchers. Graham is not near out top 10. Had a pretty good year and gets the most our of himself, but on talent nowhere near it.

Was equal second in our BnF this year... I think you're underrating him a touch. If all players are fit and firing, and playing a full season then I'd probably have him on the fringe of that top 10. But again, this season the club itself considered him our second best performed player, soooo....

P.s. if you're wanting a potential game changer, would be hard to go past Rachelle. I wouldn't be against it. Especially if we could get one or two of Johnson/Goater/Roberts/Sheldrick etc with later picks.

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[guruisatiger]

Draft for right footers, trade for left footers.

Tigers lean to the left (richmondfc.com.au)
Tiger left-foot legends (richmondfc.com.au)

That champion team of left footers were a great team
Ricky McLean and Robbie Mcghee,,very scary

 

[Barnard]

I reckon this is why a guy like Hobbs would appeal to us... When the club talks about "character", it's not necessarily "being a good boy from a good family..". It's that competitiveness, and have they shown they'll likely continue to push to get the best out of themselves. From what I've read on Hobbs, he's not the most talented guy in the draft pool, but has worked harder than most to get himself to the point that most have him top 5.


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Yep, character is huge for recruiters these days. Completely different world to live in as an AFL player.

 

[jthanos]

Was equal second in our BnF this year... I think you're underrating him a touch. If all players are fit and firing, and playing a full season then I'd probably have him on the fringe of that top 10. But again, this season the club itself considered him our second best performed player, soooo....

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2nd in the BnF with many injuries;
In performance and consistency he is behind Grimes, Broad, Short, Vlaustuin, Dusty, Prestia, Nankervis, Lambert, Edwards, Baker, Jack, Cotch & Bulter.
He is a worker, good but not a star, we finished 13th ? With so many mid out injured.
The jury is still out IMHO but I hope he blitzes in 2022 and proves me wrong.

 

[tiger_tough]

A few people were very critical of his kicking.
Whilst he may not be the purest in terms of kicking style, I don't see alarm bells for a KPD.

Cal Twomey just said he's being considered around 16,17,18 into the early 30s but somewhere in the 2nd round most likely.

 

[sregit]

Hmm, 7 and 15 plus 26 27 28, or 2 plus 26 27 28... I'm genuinely not sure which I'd prefer...

At 2 you can get a Dusty or Petracca which you are super unlikely to get at 7 and 15. At 7 and 15 you can still get lucky and get super guns like your Riewoldts and Rances, but you can also get your Concas and Lennons. Then again at 2 you can still get Scullys and Trengoves.

If we trade up we must really have our heart set on someone. I hope it's Ward but something tells me it's Callaghan. Why do I worry he's gonna be a bust? I'm always worried about these flanker types transitioning to AFL. Pure mids every day of the week please.

7 we can still possibly get one of Hobbs or Ward. And at 15 we still get a gun, probably a key defender. So maybe that's the better option.

Losing two first-rounders to get one back is dangerous, but then again we want the gun now, we need that super player to top us off now, and 26 27 28 will still likely be good players and will be great for our mini rebuild. So trading up might be worth it. fu**, I dunno.

EDIT: If we can get pick 2 for 7 and our 2022 first rounder, then I'd do it.

Go in with 2, 15, 26, 27, 28, that's an amazing draft night for us.

Offer 7 and F1 for pick 2 and go to the draft with 2,15,26,27 and 28. Trade one of the picks in the twenties for a F2 selection from another club. Would give us 3 second round selections in 2022. Let the list regeneration start now.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Hmm, 7 and 15 plus 26 27 28, or 2 plus 26 27 28... I'm genuinely not sure which I'd prefer...

At 2 you can get a Dusty or Petracca which you are super unlikely to get at 7 and 15. At 7 and 15 you can still get lucky and get super guns like your Riewoldts and Rances, but you can also get your Concas and Lennons. Then again at 2 you can still get Scullys and Trengoves.

If we trade up we must really have our heart set on someone. I hope it's Ward but something tells me it's Callaghan. Why do I worry he's gonna be a bust? I'm always worried about these flanker types transitioning to AFL. Pure mids every day of the week please.

7 we can still possibly get one of Hobbs or Ward. And at 15 we still get a gun, probably a key defender. So maybe that's the better option.

Losing two first-rounders to get one back is dangerous, but then again we want the gun now, we need that super player to top us off now, and 26 27 28 will still likely be good players and will be great for our mini rebuild. So trading up might be worth it. fu**, I dunno.

EDIT: If we can get pick 2 for 7 and our 2022 first rounder, then I'd do it.

Go in with 2, 15, 26, 27, 28, that's an amazing draft night for us.

Yep.The great unknowns of the draft.
So many questions
What to do.

 

[Hamsatma]

A few people were very critical of his kicking.
Whilst he may not be the purest in terms of kicking style, I don't see alarm bells for a KPD.

no need to have a laser kick, just has to get it to our good users which is a fairly low bar. Also we're not bringing across seasoned pros, they're still kids! plenty of time to develop skills with some of the best coaches going around

 

[NZ_Tiger]

I agree in regard to talent, both had a good deal of it. Their major problem I think was their lack of leg speed. You can get away with it at junior level, but not a senior level. For a centre mid Ellis was way to slow and had no agility, and Lennon for a half forward was also very slow. Since then we have drafted for speed, Higgins aside. Even our lower draft picks like Broad, Short, Mansell, Stack, Pickett, Baker, Castagna, Parker, Miller, Biggy etc are all quick.

Hence I think the selectors might go for speed again, unless someone like Callaghan falls, who looks like he doesn't need speed, like Bont and Pendlebury.

Ellis was small and Lennon too slow. Both had some elite skills but glaring weaknesses. This is the kind of talent your looking at mid teens; I’d be happy to trade the pick to get into the top 2.


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[Tiger_Of_Old]

No.

7 and Norf's future second.

Prefer not to give away future picks.
Much clearer picture of next years vic kids than this years.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Cal Twomey just said he's being considered around 16,17,18 into the early 30s but somewhere in the 2nd round most likely.

Agree, more a 20's pick than a First-rounder. I like his marking only question mark on him is his spread from the contest which is so so.
I prefer Bazzo as a defender and hope we grab him with one of our 26/27/28 picks but wouldn't be against if the club decided to grab Alleer instead.

Hre's a 1.11 video highlights of Rhett Bazzo.

Rhett Bazzo

Rhett Bazzo looms as one of the draft’s best defenders and impressed on the big stage this year.

thewest.com.au

STATS 2021 - https://www.wafl.com.au/player/rhett-bazzo

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

A lot of hate for selecting Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis in this board (not necessarily this post which is just stating fact) but I don’t view them as poor selections as such. Having known quite a lot of players there are different reasons that careers don’t go to plan, rarely is it anything to do with talent. Both these guys had serious weapons that could have justified first round selection. Corey Ellis just never had any confidence in himself and Lennon was almost the complete opposite, the game came so easily for him as a junior and he didn’t have the work ethic/desire to fight for a career. At the end of the day there is a only a small percentage that become superstars and then quite a few that pave out good careers as not much more than very good role players.

Main thing in common that both players Ellis & Lennon didnt have was Speed and run
lack of speed gets you by at lower levels but you need to be a very special player to over come these at AFL level

both very talented and skilled players but lack of pace and run found them out

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Think I'd prefer 7, 15, 26, 27, 28 to 2, 26, 27, 28. If anything I think we should be looking to add another first rounder, not losing one. The more highly rated kids we can get onto the list now the better off we'll be in 2-3 years time when Cotchin, Edwards, Grimes and Riewoldt are all gone.

Something like 27, 28 and Norths future 2nd for Saints 9 and future 3rd or Essendons 11 and future 3rd I'd be happy with. Use 7, 9/11, 15 and 26.
Could also get real keen and do 7 and 26 to Crows for 4 if there's someone we want around that pick that won't last to 7. Use 4, 9/11, 15 and source another later pick from somewhere else like 51 from Essendon rather than the future 3rd above.

Great suggestions i'd be happy with any except maybe using a future pick as high as what norfs 2nd could be.

 

[David C]

Offer 7 and F1 for pick 2 and go to the draft with 2,15,26,27 and 28. Trade one of the picks in the twenties for a F2 selection from another club. Would give us 3 second round selections in 2022. Let the list regeneration start now.

Can't trade our F1 at the moment because we don't have a F3 or a F4.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Could this ball-magnet slide? All your draft questions answered
Nat Edwards and Cal Twomey discuss the latest NAB AFL Draft news

https://www.afl.com.au/video/685408...dal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1634781523001

Nat this morning when talking about us had us with picks 7/26/27/28.
Love to know what happened to 15.lol

 

[RobsJourney]

Offer 7 and F1 for pick 2 and go to the draft with 2,15,26,27 and 28. Trade one of the picks in the twenties for a F2 selection from another club. Would give us 3 second round selections in 2022. Let the list regeneration start now.

I'm for this, though I really do now think we can get one of Hobbs or Ward at 7.

Quick prediction up until our first pick...

1. North Melbourne: Horne Francis - Locked in
2. Collingwood: Daicos - Locked in after GWS bid
3. Bulldogs: Darcy - Locked in after GWS bid
4. GWS: Callaghan - Supposedly best player outside top 3
5. Gold Coast: Gibcus - They are stacked for midfielders so I reckon they'll go a key defender, especially with talk of Lukosius moving forward
6. Adelaide: Andrew - They have lost Talia and Kelly in the same year, have a good midfield but only one ruck as well, fills two needs
7. Hawthorn: Ward - Seemingly the best available at this point so you reckon they'd pounce
8. Fremantle: Erasmus - Local boy, makes more sense given covid issues
9. Richmond: Hobbs - We get our midfielder

This has the midfield version of Vlastuin written all over it. Our first top 10 pick since the great man, a vanilla type but with a hard edge and leadership traits. We'll get a 12+ year midfielder out of Hobbs

GWS may instead take Andrew given their own need for another ruck and tall (Mumford old or did he retire even? Loss of Cameron, Finlayson), at which point I reckon Adelaide then takes Callaghan as next best available, and Gold Coast sticks with Gibcus prior.

Only stumbling block I see is that Fremantle also has the next pick after ours, so may hamstring us by picking Ward/Hobbs before us, knowing we are less likely to take the WA boy Erasmus off them, who they'll then grab at 10. But they may want Amiss at either of their picks lest West Coast or even Essendon pounces right after, so I reckon Freo goes for Erasmus and Amiss, and we'll be safe. Here's hoping. Would hate for us to have our best draft hand in ages and get wrecked by other teams picking who we want and need.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Hence I think the selectors might go for speed again, unless someone like Callaghan falls, who looks like he doesn't need speed, like Bont and Pendlebury.

Callaghan is quick. Both his parents were international athletes and I read he already breaks 11 seconds for the 100.

 

[Grrr]

Was equal second in our BnF this year... I think you're underrating him a touch. If all players are fit and firing, and playing a full season then I'd probably have him on the fringe of that top 10. But again, this season the club itself considered him our second best performed player, soooo....

P.s. if you're wanting a potential game changer, would be hard to go past Rachelle. I wouldn't be against it. Especially if we could get one or two of Johnson/Goater/Roberts/Sheldrick etc with later picks.

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Well Rachelle looks a bit small and bland as well! I've only seen bits and pieces so I know nothing other than a gut feeling really. Perhaps I'll leave it to the recruiters. I just hope we go with a Goater type, big and fast and dynamic.

Re Graham, he is the ultimate team man which always draws votes. As I said good player but in terms of output over talent. Graham vs Bolton for example.
Plus half our side was out injured.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Rachele is far from bland. Very talented lad.

 

[bc27]

I'd sooner move up to pick two than take picks 9 and 17. It's the absolutely elite talent that wins you flags, and you're more likely to find that player in the first few picks.

100%
If we can snag pick 2 then use all to do it.

7&15 for pick 2 is a great deal for us.

It’s about a 40% chance in the top 4 you’ll get a superstar. It’s probably around 10% at 7