List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[GoTigers2015]

Saints won't give up their future 1st with Ben King unsigned.
If anything we should dangle our future 1st for pick 9.

Except they have already said that they want to trade in this draft. The Saints have 8 list spots free with picks 9 62 66 67. So ideally need to move up the draft. Could split their pick 9, but the second half of the first round so even I can't see that happening.

The only currency to trade in early is their future first round pick. Pick 27 & 28 potentially could give them 2 hits before the academy bids. They can use 2023 picks to get Ben King if that eventuates.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Pick 9 would be tempting but I doubt they will put that up as an option. More likely their second or third round future picks I would think. I would be happy to trade 38 and 40 for a future second. Gives us three second round picks and a first so we can really attack next year and still have 4 quality picks this year.

For sure.100% into getting as many future picks as possible.Surely we can't have 3yrs in a row of covid interuptions to under age level.

 

[Roksman]

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[Marcel Proust]

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Biggie died for this

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Except they have already said that they want to trade in this draft. The Saints have 8 list spots free with picks 9 62 66 67. So ideally need to move up the draft. Could split their pick 9, but the second half of the first round so even I can't see that happening.

The only currency to trade in early is their future first round pick. Pick 27 & 28 potentially could give them 2 hits before the academy bids. They can use 2023 picks to get Ben King if that eventuates.

Lets get their future 1st then.lol
2021-7/15/26
2022-7/9/19/26
Delicious!

 

[Marcel Proust]

Lets get their future 1st then.lol
2021-7/15/26
2022-7/9/19/26
Delicious!

King to Richmond ...

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

King to Richmond ...

Wouldn't that be ironic.lol
But while where at it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I wouldn't be unhappy if we kept our current picks and traded the excess into 2022. Love to hit the draft year on year. Maybe snag another 1st next year

 

[WATiger86]

Great post and agree.
Only thing is if we have five list spots clubs will know we are wanting to package two picks into one and might play hard ball.
We don’t have the leverage as much now unless we delist another player which won’t happen.

leverage is over rated - just ask Norf!

 

[AstuteTiger]

AFL Draft 2021: The standouts and all the stats from the Under-19 national championships
Which AFL Draft prospects stood up on the national stage at the under-19 carnival? See the 12 standouts, plus SuperCoach points, exclusive stats and leaders in each key area.

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (South Australia)
After a strong finish to the year at SANFL and national level, the 187cm wingman looms as this year’s draft bolter. The Glenelg product only played the first two matches against WA but his kicking was a class above. Wanganeen-Milera, the nephew of Port Adelaide and Essendon great Gavin Wanganeen, was SA’s best in the championships opener at Lathlain Park, dancing around his opponents and delivering with precision. He may have only had 15 disposals again but the athletically-gifted teenager then showed off his incredible balance, setting his teammates up on either side of his body, in the grand final curtain raiser. Some now view Wanganeen-Milera as SA’s second-best prospect behind Jason Horne-Francis.

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (left) is the first-round bolter of this year’s draft class. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

Angus Sheldrick (Western Australia)
Meet the late bolter coming with a bullet. Not only did Sheldrick average a formidable 23 disposals, 16 contested possessions and two goals per game in the WAFL Colts finals series for runner up Claremont, the relentless midfielder also ranked first for disposals and contested possessions per game at the national championships for Western Australia. The 179cm prospect’s best-on-ground performance in the final game capped a dominant back half of the year, kicking the sealing goal and tallying 29 disposals, eight clearances, five tackles and 128 Champion Data ranking points. His ability to win contested ball and distribute it cleanly, cover the ground with his strong tank and hit the scoreboard – slotting two goals in a matter of minutes in the WAFL Colts grand final - have seen his draft stocks rise rapidly. Has he worked himself into the top half dozen prospects in his state?

Angus Sheldrick kicking the sealing goal for Western Australia on Sunday. Picture: Mark Brake/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

Matthew Johnson (Western Australia)
Johnson was arguably the most consistent Western Australian performer across the championships, but it was his showing on the grand final stage that elevated his draft standing. With key midfielders out on the day, Johnson moved into the engine room and thrived with his composure and creativity with the ball, finishing with 20 disposals, nine tackles, five clearances, 123 ranking points and the best-on-ground medal draped around his neck. His best position is believed to be as tall, smooth-moving inside midfielder, but his decision making allows him to be used as a wingman, where he played in the opening championships match. The 191cm prospect averaged the most score involvements and ranked second for ranking points and tackles per game across the carnival at the carnival. Another in the mid-late first-round range.

Shaye Linke (South Australia)
Linke was overlooked for the opener against WA, despite strong form in the SANFL for Central District, but the 190cm midfielder more than made his mark when the opportunity came. Splitting his time between the forward line and midfield in his two matches against the Sandgropers, Linke made great decisions in traffic, found the footy in space and took a number of strong marks overhead. And, as they did at senior level this year, Linke’s defensive attributes and toughness stood out, with the 18-year-old tallying 12 contested possessions and eight tackles in an impressive performance in the final game on Sunday.

Shay Linke made his mark after been overlooked for the first game. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Blayne O’Loughlin (South Australia)
The Crows confirmed they wouldn’t be nominating NGA prospects O’Loughlin and Isaiah Dudley ahead of November’s draft, given the club has already filled its two Category B rookie spots. But O’Loughlin’s performance for South Australia across the carnival further enhanced the thought he’s likely to find an AFL home regardless. The playmaker was the Croweaters’ best on grand final, finishing with 22 disposals, 413 metres gained, five intercepts and 137 ranking points. His kicking was outstanding, short and long, across the four games – with 46 of his 58 kicks effective - and he continually cut through the opposition’s defence, rolling quickly onto his damaging left-foot. The 171cm defender was also sound defensively, proving coach Tony Bamford’s pre-carnival comments to be true. “He’s tough and strong and you can trust him deep,” Bamford said in August.

Blayne O’Loughlin was South Australia’s best player in the grand final curtain-raiser. Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Alastair Lord (South Australia)
The dashing Norwood defender is eye-catching. He made a strong start to the year, before injury saw him miss most of the SANFL under-18 season. But he’s made an impressive late run which continued in SA’s final two matches of the under-19 carnival. The 180cm Lord only had 14 and 16 disposals against the Allies and WA, respectively, but he doesn’t need a lot of the ball to make an impact. He broke the game open with his blistering pace out of defence against a makeshift Allies side last week, before highlighting his ability to do similar by foot against WA. He’ll get another chance to remind recruiters of his top-end traits after receiving a late invite to the draft combine.

Jacob van Rooyen (Western Australia)
One of the leading key forwards in the pool with 34 goals in nine WAFL Colts matches for Claremont, van Rooyen transformed into a versatile swingman after a successful trial in the opening two championships clashes. van Rooyen’s ability to win and neutralise one-on-one marking contests as a key defender was first rate, hauling in eight marks as one of the best performers in the full-strength first game in August. It makes the powerful 194cm tall an even more attractive prospect for clubs, pushing himself into top 20 calculations. A big game player, van Rooyen drifted forward in their second match with South Australia to kick the match-winning goal in the dying seconds. He missed Western Australia’s win over the weekend with an elbow injury but, like Claremont teammate Sheldrick, excelled during the WAFL Colts finals series. Van Rooyen booted 11 majors in three games – four of those coming in their grand final loss.

Zac Becker had an impact at both ends of the ground. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Zac Becker (South Australia)
Becker hardly put a foot wrong across the four matches, highlighting his ability as a tough, rebounding defender, who is equally as effective in the air as he is on the ground. Becker, who drives the ball forward with a penetrating right-foot, had 16 disposals or more in three games, and averaged six intercepts – two of them marks – and five rebound-50s. But, as he’s done for Scotch College through his junior career, the 190cm Becker had an impact at the other end of the ground, too, booting three goals from three contested marks in the final quarter against the Allies.

Rhett Bazzo (Western Australia)
He might have played just the one championships game but it was a significant one at that. The key 195cm defender was voted as the top performer by a host of club recruiters and talent scouts after tallying 18 disposals at 82 per cent efficiency, 11 marks (five of those intercepts) and 100 ranking points in the opening championships clash. His strong overhead marking and ability to read the play was on full display and helped him enter the top-30 frame. Bazzo was another strong performer in the WAFL Colts grand final in his role on the dangerous van Rooyen, managing to quell his influence after quarter time.

Jack Williams (Western Australia)
While WA talls Jye Amiss, van Rooyen and Bazzo have had most of the fanfare, Williams showed he is also among the best key-position prospects in the pool in his two championships matches. The 195cm key forward has an elite endurance base, allowing him to outwork his opponent on the lead – taking five marks in this fashion in the opening game - and is a strong marking presence. He thrived while pinch-hitting in the ruck in the final clash of the carnival, clunking contested marks up the ground and finishing with 16 disposals, seven marks, two goals and 132 ranking points. On average, Williams ranked fourth for ranking points, sixth for score involvements and ninth for contested possessions at the championships.

Matthew Roberts (South Australia)
There was plenty of hype surrounding the South Adelaide ball magnet heading into the opener against WA, after his dominant under-18 performances led to a senior debut. And, while he didn’t set the carnival alight – either side of a two-goal performance in South’s senior preliminary final – Roberts got the job done. He ranked second for ranking points (112), third for contested possessions (10), fifth for disposals (21.3) and seventh for score involvements (4.7) in three matches which underlined his ball-winning ability, clean hands, workrate and footy IQ.

Arthur Jones announced himself as a draft prospect at the championships. Picture: Mark Brake/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

Arthur Jones (Western Australia)
A largely unknown quantity leading into the championships, Jones put himself on the map after being brought in for the grand final curtain raiser. The livewire forward-midfielder finished with 16 goals and two goals in a breakout performance, headlined by a running goal from the 50m arc where he showcased his blistering speed and agility. In his next match over the weekend, Jones produced several eye-catching moments, including a stunning run down the wing with several bounces and an attempted mark of the year contender minutes later, which just slipped through his fingers. Playing on a wing, the 178cm product gathered 14 touches at a tidy 78 per cent efficiency and kicked a goal in another boost for his draft stocks.

Finn Gorringe (Western Australia)
Western Australia’s captain was the leading interceptor across the carnival at an average of 6.7 per game, including 11 against South Australia on Sunday. A reliable 183cm defender, Gorringe finished with 19 touches, five tackles, three intercept marks and 102 ranking points in and rock-solid outing. His defensive attributes are also strong, showing a capacity to consistently beat his opponent and apply pressure. Gorringe played 11 WAFL matches for East Fremantle, where he averaged 11 disposals and 4.4 intercept possessions up against senior bodies.

Finn Gorringe was the leading intercept of the carnival. Picture: Mark Brake/AFL Photos/via Getty Images

TOP 10 STAT LEADERS
(Min 2 games)

Ranking points
1. Adam D’Aloia (SA) 128
2. Matty Roberts (SA) 112
3. Matthew Johnson (WA) 108
4. Jack Williams (WA) 103
5. Angus Sheldrick (WA) 103
6. Kade Dittmar (WA) 103
7. Lewis Rayson (SA) 99
8. Blayne O’Loughlin (SA) 99
9. Shay Linke (SA) 95
10. Jase Burgoyne (SA) 93

Disposals
1. Angus Sheldrick (WA) 24.0
2. Adam D’Aloia (SA) 22.7
3. Max Chipper (WA) 22.5
4. Shay Linke (SA) 21.5
5. Matty Roberts (SA) 21.3
6. Jase Burgoyne (SA) 20.7
7. Mani Liddy (SA) 20.5
8. Lewis Rayson (SA) 20.0
9. Joshua Browne (WA) 20.0
10. Matthew Johnson (WA) 19.5

Contested possessions
1. Angus Sheldrick (WA) 13.5
2. Adam D’Aloia (SA) 12.3
3. Matty Roberts (SA) 10.0
4. Kade Dittmar (WA) 10.0
5. Shay Linke (SA) 9.0
6. Mani Liddy (SA) 9.0
7. James Tunstill (WA) 8.7
8. Max Litster (SA) 7.3
9. Jack Williams (WA) 6.5
10. Zac Becker (SA) 6.5

Intercept possessions
1. Finn Gorringe (WA) 6.7
2. Max Litster (SA) 6.5
3. Zac Becker (SA) 6.0
4. Oscar Adams (SA) 5.3
5. Jarrad Parish (SA) 5.3
6. Jack Avery (WA) 5.3
7. Bryce Watson (WA) 5.0
8. Angus Sheldrick (WA) 4.5
9. Oscar Armstrong (WA) 4.0
10. Jacob van Rooyen (WA) 4.0

Tackles
1. Adam D’Aloia (SA) 7.7
2. Matthew Johnson (WA) 6.0
3. Lochlan Paton (WA) 5.0
4. Mani Liddy (SA) 4.5
5. Shay Linke (SA) 4.5
6. Kade Dittmar (WA) 4.3
7. Isaiah Dudley (SA) 4.3
8. Oscar Steene (SA) 3.7
9. Brayden Calvett (SA) 3.5
10. Kaden Harbour (WA) 3.5

Score involvements
1. Matthew Johnson (WA) 6.5
2. Taj Woewodin (WA) 6.0
3. Kaden Harbour (WA) 5.5
4. Adam D’Aloia (SA) 5.3
5. Hugh Stagg (SA) 5.0
6. Jack Williams (WA) 5.0
7. Matty Roberts (SA) 4.7
8. Jase Burgoyne (SA) 4.7
9. Harvey Harrison (SA) 4.7
10. Kade Dittmar (WA) 4.3

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

I'm on the Angus Sheldrick wagon.
He has that Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

/Liam baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

27

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

feel about him.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Alastair Lord has to go to Geelong…

One for the oldies!

 

[tugga]

I’m still on the roberts train with pick 15.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I'm on the Angus Sheldrick wagon.
He has that Caleb Daniel/Liam baker feel about him.

Reminds me of Aarts...

 

[Cotchy9]

Amiss and Van Rooyen are all the rage, but I like Jack Williams as well. Could still possibly get him at our 20’s picks. His bio reads well

 

[Hamsatma]

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Can we please hide this man, would love to pick him up late 20s or 30s. He's a couple years older so closer to go body-wise, stick him in the VFL for a year then replaces grimes/tarrant bob's your uncle

 

[Tortured Tiger]

I’m still on the roberts train with pick 15.

He seems to be dropping like a rock down a lot of draft boards, maybe still there at our third pick if they are right.

 

[Marcel Proust]

There are not predictions as such but they are a combined top 20 from a lot of draft contributors.

In order to make this first list 4 of the 5 draft watches must have rated them in the top 20.

The draft watchers are Knightmare - Twomey - Davo-27 - EDPS - PM Bangers

1. (1.2) Nick Daicos (2, 1, 1, 2, 1)
2. (1.6) Jason Horne-Francis (1, 2, 2, 1, 2)
3. (3.0) Sam Darcy (3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4. (4.0) Finn Callaghan (4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5. (7.6) Josh Ward (5, 6, 7, 11, 9)
6. (8.0) Neil Erasmus (6, 10, 6, 7, 11)
7. (8.8) Ben Hobbs (18, 5, 5, 10, 6)
8. (11.6) Josh Gibcus (20, 7, 20, 6, 5)
9. (11.8) Josh Sinn (NA, 15, 15, 7, 10)
10. (12.5) Josh Goater (NA, 18, 8, 8, 17)
11 (13.0) Arlo Draper (12, 12, NA, 12, 16)
12. (13.8) Matthew Johnson (8, 13, 14, 19, 15)
13 (14.8) Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (16, 14, 12, 14, 18)
14. (15.2) Matthew Roberts (7, 17, 13, 20, 19)
15. (15.6) Josh Rachele (15, 9, 16, 18, 20)

and now the people who were in 3 top the top 20's

16. (8.3) Mac Andrew (10, 8, NA, NA, 7)
17 (11.6) Tyler Sonsie (NA, 16, NA, 5, 14)
18. (15.3) Campbell Chesser (NA, 20, NA, 13, 13)

now the people who were in 2 of the top 20's

19. (9.0) Josh Fahey (NA, NA, 10, 17, NA)
20. (14.0) Darcy Wilmot (NA, NA, NA, 16, 12)
21. (17.5) Mitch Knevitt (17, NA, 18, NA, NA)

 

[SumTingWong]

I’m still on the roberts train with pick 15.

eDPS Reckons he'll go 25+

 

[Hamsatma]

Roberts sounds an absolute bargain if we get him late 20s, Roberts + hobbs maybe too similar though?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Great effort mate.
Hobbs 18
Gibcus.20

 

[TigerPaul71]

it would be great to great saints pick 9
7,9,15
give them next years first and 28
why not.
Hobbs, goater, Rachelle or roberts
we can wish

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Pick 9 would be tempting but I doubt they will put that up as an option. More likely their second or third round future picks I would think. I would be happy to trade 38 and 40 for a future second. Gives us three second round picks and a first so we can really attack next year and still have 4 quality picks this year.

Why ?? Their 2nd next year will be around pick #30-#32 range

They need the picks more than we need to off load them with only pick #9 and nothing until 62 and 2 academy kids they need to facilitate pints for.
their 2nd round pick means nothing and has little value and their 3rd will be mid 40's.

The only asset they have is pick #9 this year that has reasonable currency for Richmond

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I want hawthorns future 2nd

I would rather we do something with Collingwood after they get Daicos
Pies out : F1
Richmond out: F1 + #28

 

[beema limapep]

Wondering whether Johnson will last to 15. Probably not now