List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Wickzki]

For a club to take on Gov you're looking at a slight pick upgrade at best. Big short term money but someone who hasn't earned it. A club might see it as an opportunity to buy low, contract over 3 years at not a great deal more than the total he's on in the short term and consider it a bargain.

Gibbons would be looked at as nothing more than DFA caliber by most clubs. Similar category to Newnes and prior to that Matthew Wright style pick up. Can get 15+ games at some clubs but nobody you're going to give a valuable asset for. Worth more to the club than that as a handy depth player.

If we want trade capital this year there's going to be some names thrown up that some here will desperately want us to hold onto.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Josh Gibcus:
GWVS- VIC Country
195cm* 84kg*
Aggressive KPD in the air
Great hands & kick
Good decision maker
Daicos and Darcy F/S’s will both be taken pointy end of draft, probably won’t be available at our pick unfortunately....

 

[macky99]

Would love to land Finn Callaghan in this years draft. I've had my eye on him for a couple months. Big footy draft watchers have had him in the 7-15 thus far, but Cal Twomey has listed him up at #4 (behind 2 f/s, so essentially #2 in the free draft) in his first phantom form guide of the year.

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' June ranking

Draft guru Cal Twomey has dropped his latest rankings of the 2021 draft pool

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Callaghan is a good size, excellent kick, can run all day according to Twomey. Plays predominantly wing, but has also gone inside and shown capability in there which is positive - means he isn't just a meek outside winger.

Really think this kid could be a plug and play winger at AFL level in 2022.

Agree on this one, Finn Callaghan looks a ideal fit for us very skilful & quick, would be a tough decision if Cerra is interested in coming to the Blues as many clubs would be highly interested hard to find players with his skills and his upside, should go the next level inside 12 months.
Callaghan looks a taller version of Andrew Gaff.

 

[DangerousD]

This place changes quicker than I can type this post. I bet a couple of weeks ago, everyone had Kennedy in the delist column

As you know, we can trade back, use futures and yes, we can trade out some players that may have currency

But right at this moment, Gov and Setters have next to no value

Or we can still target FA, or Fog (forget the player for the moment) type deals, which allows us to remain in the draft

It's a chunky deep ish draft, as well as some decent value in undervalued OOC players, let's see how it evolves from here

I purposely left out Kennedy as he is a DFA and assessed who I would be most comfortable losing, that wouldn’t rob us of something that we don’t have much of, I disagree that Gov and Setters have no value, I’d say they have lowish value, Setters a 3rd round pick and Gov a 4th.

I was going over in my head today, who I think won’t be playing next year and I’m finding it hard to see who we are cutting to open enough spots to hit the draft or bring players in via a trade, which is why I see one or two players being traded.

 

[DangerousD]

For a club to take on Gov you're looking at a slight pick upgrade at best. Big short term money but someone who hasn't earned it. A club might see it as an opportunity to buy low, contract over 3 years at not a great deal more than the total he's on in the short term and consider it a bargain.

Gibbons would be looked at as nothing more than DFA caliber by most clubs. Similar category to Newnes and prior to that Matthew Wright style pick up. Can get 15+ games at some clubs but nobody you're going to give a valuable asset for. Worth more to the club than that as a handy depth player.

If we want trade capital this year there's going to be some names thrown up that some here will desperately want us to hold onto.

In terms of Gov.

If we were to target Cerra, Freo are well within their rights to ask for our first pick, I think it will be 5ish, I would expect something back, to get that over the line, we could offer Gov, getting their 3rd in return.

Out: Pick 5 and Gov
In: Cerra and 46

 

[Ash24]

Out: Pick 5 and Gov
In: Cerra and 46

No thanks.

 

[DangerousD]

No thanks.

Do you think the club will attack the draft or go after a quality young player? Were you not a fan of Cerra or the cost?

 

[1300Love]

Desperately need an experienced quality ruckman and tall defender. TDK needs time to develop a a forward/ruck, not sole ruckman. If Weiters or Jones goes down, backline will be exposed.
Draft should also include elite key position backs to develop and a young ruckman. Forward line is fine if Charlie can get his body right.
Midfield will improve with time but would love a big bodied experienced mid to speed this up.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Think Cerra is most likely Richmond bound..

Trade Options 1
Wonder if Ben Brown could 2nd ruck, could be a great fit with TDK..
Would be super cheap and still kicking bags in the VFL...
Cost - 3rd or 4th Rounder

Trade Options 2
Not sure suns would do it..

Carlton Out - Pick 6 & Setterfield
Carlton In - Pick 3

Suns Out - Pick 3
Suns In - Pick 6 & Setterfield

Carlton - Draft Pick 3 - Finn Callaghan (Elite wingman/ Midfielder)
Suns - Still use pick 6 for top tallent along with getting Setterfield

Trade Options 3
Carlton Out - Pick 6
Carlton In - Pick 11 & 16

Richmond Out - Pick 11 & 16
Richmond In - Pick 6

Carlton - Draft Pick 11 - Arlo Draper (X Factor Mid) / Josh Ward (Inside Mid/2 way runner/ Vic Metro Captain)
Carlton - Draft Pick 16 - Mac Andrew (Ruckman) / Jye Amiss (KPF/who doesn't miss) / Tyler Sonsie (Mid)
Richmond - Pick 6 for Cerra

Have doubts whether tigers have salary cap space for cerra. Second half of Tom lynch's 6 year deal is in play where he gets $1.35 mill a year (got $450k a year for the first three years allegedly), add to dusty, Jack etc.
There were probably unders taken to keep the group together but can't imagine that there is a spare $800k there unless they get a couple of players off their books.

Definitely no for Ben Brown for me, never shown any great rucking capacity. Would just clog up our forward line particularly if Charlie can make it back.

Finn Callaghan looks the goods. Would be great to hoodwink the sun's into that deal. Doubt that they would fall for it though.

 

[Ash24]

Do you think the club will attack the draft or go after a quality young player? Were you not a fan of Cerra or the cost?

Sorry, should've been more specific.

I'm not a huge fan of trading out Gov - both because of his large salary (Treloar 2.0) and the fact we are lacking KPPs. If we were to trade out someone it would be either Setters or O'Brien IMO.

I also think that your proposed trade would be unfair to us. Ideally:

IN - Cerra, ~ pick 25 (their 2nd)
OUT - Pick 5-10, Setterfield

 

[Arr0w]

Sorry, should've been more specific.

I'm not a huge fan of trading out Gov - both because of his large salary (Treloar 2.0) and the fact we are lacking KPPs. If we were to trade out someone it would be either Setters or O'Brien IMO.

I also think that your proposed trade would be unfair to us. Ideally:

IN - Cerra, ~ pick 25 (their 2nd)
OUT - Pick 5-10, Setterfield

Gov is not a KPP, never has been, never will be

 

[Ash24]

Gov is not a KPP, never has been, never will be

If you look I never actually said he was a KPP, I just said we are lacking KPPs.

While Gov may not be a proper key forward, he provides some height and athleticism in the side (which as an example, we wouldn't get from playing Gibbons instead).

 

[BlueTang]

Would this outcome make the majority of us happy come December?

2021
First pick KPD (Jones role)
Second pick sml fwd (Eddie role)
Third pick lockdown sml defender (Simpson role)
Fourth (a steal that's slid through)

2022
First or second +, for a decent wingman traded in.

Just wondering if this roughly ticks the box for most?

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Think Cerra is most likely Richmond bound..

Trade Options 1
Wonder if Ben Brown could 2nd ruck, could be a great fit with TDK..
Would be super cheap and still kicking bags in the VFL...
Cost - 3rd or 4th Rounder

Trade Options 2
Not sure suns would do it..

Carlton Out - Pick 6 & Setterfield
Carlton In - Pick 3

Suns Out - Pick 3
Suns In - Pick 6 & Setterfield

Carlton - Draft Pick 3 - Finn Callaghan (Elite wingman/ Midfielder)
Suns - Still use pick 6 for top tallent along with getting Setterfield

Trade Options 3
Carlton Out - Pick 6
Carlton In - Pick 11 & 16

Richmond Out - Pick 11 & 16
Richmond In - Pick 6

Carlton - Draft Pick 11 - Arlo Draper (X Factor Mid) / Josh Ward (Inside Mid/2 way runner/ Vic Metro Captain)
Carlton - Draft Pick 16 - Mac Andrew (Ruckman) / Jye Amiss (KPF/who doesn't miss) / Tyler Sonsie (Mid)
Richmond - Pick 6 for Cerra

Steer clear... we don't want him; I just read a bio on him which states he likes listening to James Blunt!

 

[Revenant1995]

Would this outcome make the majority of us happy come December?

2021
First pick KPD (Jones role)
Second pick sml fwd (Eddie role)
Third pick lockdown sml defender (Simpson role)
Fourth (a steal that's slid through)

2022
First or second +, for a decent wingman traded in.

Just wondering if this roughly ticks the box for most?

For me, I am looking for a long term Jones type replacement (KPD) and a Cas type replacement (Ruck). Draft for KPD, but not sure about whether either trade or draft for Ruck. Outside that, not sure... I'd like to think small defenders and fwds are reasonably well covered atm....

 

[BlueTang]

For me, I am looking for a long term Jones type replacement (KPD) and a Cas type replacement (Ruck). Draft for KPD, but not sure about whether either trade or draft for Ruck. Outside that, not sure... I'd like to think small defenders and fwds are reasonably well covered atm....

Thanks your reply, I'm no list manager or know anything about the draftees, position-wise those were the spots I felt need to be added to.. Thanks mate

 

[macky99]

Would this outcome make the majority of us happy come December?

2021
First pick KPD (Jones role)
Second pick sml fwd (Eddie role)
Third pick lockdown sml defender (Simpson role)
Fourth (a steal that's slid through)

2022
First or second +, for a decent wingman traded in.

Just wondering if this roughly ticks the box for most?

1st pick should always be best available, looks like there are some quality mid fielders in this draft which should be 1st priority.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

1st pick should always be best available, looks like there are some quality mid fielders in this draft which should be 1st priority.

Huh?

 

[Revenant1995]

Thanks your reply, I'm no list manager or know anything about the draftees, position-wise those were the spots I felt need to be added to.. Thanks mate

I'm no List Manager type either... I just see a paucity of talls atm, and Cas probably retiring at the end of this year, and Jones 30+...

 

[Arr0w]

If retained, best available with early picks in the draft

Trade for needs

 

[Blue__Balls]

Think Cerra is most likely Richmond bound..

Trade Options 1
Wonder if Ben Brown could 2nd ruck, could be a great fit with TDK..
Would be super cheap and still kicking bags in the VFL...
Cost - 3rd or 4th Rounder

Trade Options 2
Not sure suns would do it..

Carlton Out - Pick 6 & Setterfield
Carlton In - Pick 3

Suns Out - Pick 3
Suns In - Pick 6 & Setterfield

Carlton - Draft Pick 3 - Finn Callaghan (Elite wingman/ Midfielder)
Suns - Still use pick 6 for top tallent along with getting Setterfield

Trade Options 3
Carlton Out - Pick 6
Carlton In - Pick 11 & 16

Richmond Out - Pick 11 & 16
Richmond In - Pick 6

Carlton - Draft Pick 11 - Arlo Draper (X Factor Mid) / Josh Ward (Inside Mid/2 way runner/ Vic Metro Captain)
Carlton - Draft Pick 16 - Mac Andrew (Ruckman) / Jye Amiss (KPF/who doesn't miss) / Tyler Sonsie (Mid)
Richmond - Pick 6 for Cerra

Trade option 1 feels like treading water a little bit - I'm just not sure Brown has it in him at senior level any more. Not a bad moneyball option to have on the backburner though in case Charlie struggles with his planned late-season return. What kind of money is he on though?

Trade option 2 would come down to the names available and their willingness to play for GC. If the top few show strong reservations about moving interstate, and there's a local or amenable option expected to suitable at Pick 6, then maybe it's just good business for them. But when you consider the possibility that Daicos and Darcy go before that pick, it may be that moving from Pick 3 to Pick 6 takes the Suns down a significant peg. There's always a few "tiers", so it's just about where the drop-off occurs. Is it a 2016 draft where the top 3 are fantastic and then the next bunch less so, or is it a 2019 where you'd be genuinely happy with anyone from the top dozen?

Trade option 3 is similar to 2 in being dependent on how appealing the player at 6 would be, and how confident we'd be of other names lasting to the later picks. I do like the idea of targeting some of those mid first round talls, but jeez it would suck if they got snapped up just ahead of our picks and we got stuck with more mids we can't fit into the side.


If we're chasing talls, I'd prefer to go hard at Chol and Coleman-Jones and see if one can be shaken loose.

 

[Manhattanite]

Things aren’t looking great at the Suns...

I really hope that our list management team are working behind the scenes to line up Matt Rowell who may now be gettable

2021 first and maybe two players? Or two first rounders? It would be like getting another Walsh - the kid is going to be elite as early as next year




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[Revenant1995]

Could we do something like 1st draft pick for Josh Gibcus (Jones replacement), Chol as a UFA (Cas type replacement, and no draft pick cost), and future 1st for Cerra?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Could we do something like 1st draft pick for Josh Gibcus (Jones replacement), Chol as a UFA (Cas type replacement, and no draft pick cost), and future 1st for Cerra?

Like all three, but think Freo demand more for Cerra. And we have a few WA lads who they'd absolutely be asking for.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Trade option 1 feels like treading water a little bit - I'm just not sure Brown has it in him at senior level any more. Not a bad moneyball option to have on the backburner though in case Charlie struggles with his planned late-season return. What kind of money is he on though?

Trade option 2 would come down to the names available and their willingness to play for GC. If the top few show strong reservations about moving interstate, and there's a local or amenable option expected to suitable at Pick 6, then maybe it's just good business for them. But when you consider the possibility that Daicos and Darcy go before that pick, it may be that moving from Pick 3 to Pick 6 takes the Suns down a significant peg. There's always a few "tiers", so it's just about where the drop-off occurs. Is it a 2016 draft where the top 3 are fantastic and then the next bunch less so, or is it a 2019 where you'd be genuinely happy with anyone from the top dozen?

Trade option 3 is similar to 2 in being dependent on how appealing the player at 6 would be, and how confident we'd be of other names lasting to the later picks. I do like the idea of targeting some of those mid first round talls, but jeez it would suck if they got snapped up just ahead of our picks and we got stuck with more mids we can't fit into the side.


If we're chasing talls, I'd prefer to go hard at Chol and Coleman-Jones and see if one can be shaken loose.

If I was doing a 2022 best 22 there are still holes we need to fill...
Think our main areas of need are

• Athletic #1st Ruck or an #2nd Ruck Forward - Levi Replacement
• KPD - Jones Replacement
• Wings - with elite footskills
• Mids - 2 way runners with elite footskills
• Lockdown Defender

Option 1
Total money ball idea..
But on reflection would prefer an competitive #1st Ruck... I'm on the record of wanting TDK to play as a CHF #2nd Ruck

Chol - Yes, like the idea could be used as #1st or #2nd Ruck or as a KPD... From Hardwicks comments, don't think they will let him go..
Stanley - (Ducks for cover) Could be a good option for a few years whilst Mircov gets fit enough
Ratugolea - Doubt he would leave the Cats, but could be a good #2nd Ruck to team well with TDK

Option 2
Is a safe option, Callaghan will be a gun

Option 3
Yes is risky.. But could be a masterstroke..
High Possibility that all 4 would still be available..

1. Josh Ward - 2 way running inside mid with excellent skills that has high leadership qualities..
2. Arlo Draper - Indigenous midfielder that can kick goals and reportedly has major X factor..
3. Jye Amiss - Kicked 40 goals in 10 games, with bags of 3 x 5 and 1 x 7 goals
4. Mac Andrew - High leaping Ruck/ Forward, who is equally good at ground level... Melbourne NGA prospect but can't match in top 20 picks..

Option 4
Moneyball KPP
Ballenden - KPD who is behind others at the Lions and is performing well in the VFL... Comes from a very good defensive system..
Kreguer - KPD who is behind others at the Cats and is performing well in the VFL... Comes from a very good defensive system..
Riccardi - Is a swingman KPP, hasn't been great at AFL level... But has had no continuity of games either...
Talia - Could release Jones as 3rd tall interceptor for a couple of years while we develop a young KPD
Richards - Would love to get him, would be an awesome and sort one of the wings out for us

Gripe
Why does everyone say that FS picks will push our picks back so they are worth less??
FS and to an extent academy picks are players that aren't available to others anyway..
Picks 3 or 6 are still the 3rd or 6th best available players anyway