List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Original Moody Blue]

With the unusually high injury toll across the AFL and the increased physical demand of the game this year due to cut rotations and man on the mark rule - will the AFL revert list sizes back to 44 main list & 3 cat b rookies?

I think there is real merit given matchday squads are now 23 players, the rules around concussion layoffs and also the financial aspect of crowds back at games.

Although I feel the AFL will likely keep the current list sizes as we aren't quite getting the crowd numbers of old and there is still some volatility around COVID, which is a risk. More players also means more coaches, and hopefully the soft cap is increased this off-season too.

I would still love to see 44 main list players with additional cat b rookies. I love the symmetry of 44 main list - 22 in the ones, 22 in the twos.

What do we think the likelihood of this is?

The AFL had to borrow 600 million to keep the game afloat. For the first time in decades they now have to add paying interest to their books.Even at mates rates they are going to be paying $30-60 mill in interest. Assuming they went to the NAB, they are basically receiving free advertising for the next decade, as they would have factored their annual sponsorship in the rate.

There are 260,000 members from Carlton, Collingwood, and Hawthorn who are probably seriously re-evaluating their memberships 2022. The days of the sucker members paying for the AFL's extravagancies are over. Gil's time is up, and he needs to step aside and let someone else do the job. Not sure how people will judge his legacy, but the advent of the AFLW no doubt provided the AFL with much more exposure and opened the game to a new sector that could only dream of playing AFL at the highest level.

The near-empty stadium for Richmond & GWS tells me all is not well. I am fairly sure the Directors of Marvel would not have been impressed with Hardwick rubbishing their sponsorship, by rubbishing the stadium. In these times of austerity and trying to woo sponsorship, such an ill-thought and stupid comment only damaged the game.

After Round 9 every club is facing serious injury issues. How many clubs will get to the line without having to use top-up players? This will have a flow-on effect into 2022. Clubs playing in the finals will have to sacrifice some games to ensure their list stays healthy.

The rotations need to be doubled, and they need to consider an extended bench of 6 which will cover the injury component. At every stoppage, the umpire blows time on which adds significant times to a match. Perhaps this time on should only apply in the last quarter?

 

[17SetMeFree]

The AFL had to borrow 600 million to keep the game afloat. For the first time in decades, they now have to add paying interest to their books.Even at mates rates they are going to be paying $30-60 mill in interest. Assuming they went to the NAB, they are basically receiving free advertising for the next decade, as they would have factored their annual sponsorship in the rate.

There are 260,000 members from Carlton, Collingwood, and Hawthorn who are probably seriously re-evaluating their memberships 2022. The days of the sucker members paying for the AFL's extravagancies are over. Gil's time is up, and he needs to step aside and let someone else do the job. Not sure how people will judge his legacy, but the advent of the AFLW no doubt provided the AFL with much more exposure and opened the game to a new sector that could only dream of playing AFL at the highest level.

The near-empty stadium for Richmond & GWS tells me all is not well. I am fairly sure the Directors of Marvel would not have been impressed with Hardwick rubbishing their sponsorship, by rubbishing the stadium. In these times of austerity and trying to woo sponsorship, such an ill-thought and stupid comment only damaged the game.

After Round 9 every club is facing serious injury issues. How many clubs will get to the line without having to use top-up players? This will have a flow-on effect into 2022. Clubs playing in the finals will have to sacrifice some games to ensure their list stays healthy.

The rotations need to be doubled, and they need to consider an extended bench of 6 which will cover the injury component. At every stoppage, the umpire blows time on which adds significant times to a match. Perhaps this time on should only apply in the last quarter?

In this climate and comparatively speaking, The AFL are doing well, compared to soccer in Europe. I heard a snippet of a euronews interview last night, that they were considering an introduction of a salary cap, as the competition tables imbalance across all leagues is an embarrassment. Clubs forced to cough up marque players to stay afloat, with other clubs set to benefit, depending on which Emirati backing whoever has the biggest ego. Its any wonder its evolved into a bold audacious plan to move away from FIFA and have a super league created, even more, entertaining watching it crash and burn and all the "politicians" that lit the match.
The expert said, a salary cap would face problems in courts as its a restraint on trade, given many jurisdictions maybe. How do we get around that here?
Individual player licensing?

 

[Arr0w]

The AFL had to borrow 600 million to keep the game afloat. For the first time in decades they now have to add paying interest to their books.Even at mates rates they are going to be paying $30-60 mill in interest. Assuming they went to the NAB, they are basically receiving free advertising for the next decade, as they would have factored their annual sponsorship in the rate.

There are 260,000 members from Carlton, Collingwood, and Hawthorn who are probably seriously re-evaluating their memberships 2022. The days of the sucker members paying for the AFL's extravagancies are over. Gil's time is up, and he needs to step aside and let someone else do the job. Not sure how people will judge his legacy, but the advent of the AFLW no doubt provided the AFL with much more exposure and opened the game to a new sector that could only dream of playing AFL at the highest level.

The near-empty stadium for Richmond & GWS tells me all is not well. I am fairly sure the Directors of Marvel would not have been impressed with Hardwick rubbishing their sponsorship, by rubbishing the stadium. In these times of austerity and trying to woo sponsorship, such an ill-thought and stupid comment only damaged the game.

After Round 9 every club is facing serious injury issues. How many clubs will get to the line without having to use top-up players? This will have a flow-on effect into 2022. Clubs playing in the finals will have to sacrifice some games to ensure their list stays healthy.

The rotations need to be doubled, and they need to consider an extended bench of 6 which will cover the injury component. At every stoppage, the umpire blows time on which adds significant times to a match. Perhaps this time on should only apply in the last quarter?

They don't need mates rates, interest rates are at an all time low.

Crowds will start to dramatically increase and back to normal within 3-4 years.

Just leave the rules alone and let it play out

Now, list management?

 

[Stamos]

The AFL had to borrow 600 million to keep the game afloat.

No they didn't, they got a line of credit.
Did much better last year than expected, didn't need the money.

 

[Aphrodite]

The AFL had to borrow 600 million to keep the game afloat. For the first time in decades they now have to add paying interest to their books.Even at mates rates they are going to be paying $30-60 mill in interest. Assuming they went to the NAB, they are basically receiving free advertising for the next decade, as they would have factored their annual sponsorship in the rate.

There are 260,000 members from Carlton, Collingwood, and Hawthorn who are probably seriously re-evaluating their memberships 2022. The days of the sucker members paying for the AFL's extravagancies are over. Gil's time is up, and he needs to step aside and let someone else do the job. Not sure how people will judge his legacy, but the advent of the AFLW no doubt provided the AFL with much more exposure and opened the game to a new sector that could only dream of playing AFL at the highest level.

The near-empty stadium for Richmond & GWS tells me all is not well. I am fairly sure the Directors of Marvel would not have been impressed with Hardwick rubbishing their sponsorship, by rubbishing the stadium. In these times of austerity and trying to woo sponsorship, such an ill-thought and stupid comment only damaged the game.

After Round 9 every club is facing serious injury issues. How many clubs will get to the line without having to use top-up players? This will have a flow-on effect into 2022. Clubs playing in the finals will have to sacrifice some games to ensure their list stays healthy.

The rotations need to be doubled, and they need to consider an extended bench of 6 which will cover the injury component. At every stoppage, the umpire blows time on which adds significant times to a match. Perhaps this time on should only apply in the last quarter?

Not for this thread Moody!

 

[The Dochs in]

Not sure if this is the right place to put this but supposedly Cripps has agreed to a contract ext

Report: Carlton star agrees to new contract

It could be announced within the next week.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Blues_Man]

Give me Darcy Moore and Degoey and we’ll call it even.

Are you mad ?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The growth in women’s football is incredible, this will ensure corporate partnerships align with AFL and continue the revenue stream. The AFL would have banked in AFLW to be loss making for a generation, I would be surprised if it’s not close to breaking even next year and will grow from there. AFL is in great shape..

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Are you mad ?

I couldn’t come up with anyone else from the filth that has any more value than these 2 lol

 

[no fate]

I couldn’t come up with anyone else from the filth that has any more value than these 2 lol

Moore and both Daicos brothers or GTFO. Stuff De Goey.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Not sure if this is the right place to put this but supposedly Cripps has agreed to a contract ext

Report: Carlton star agrees to new contract

It could be announced within the next week.

www.sen.com.au

It's good he deserves it - I still worry we got to many high paid players who don't get on the park or aren't key figures ..

 

[TENACIOUS]

Why are we going after Cerra with A Grader money?

Really haven't watched him play, so not sure

• What makes a guy that ranks, average to below average in most categories, so exciting
• Heard he is an elite kick, but still averages 3 turnovers by his 9 kicks a game

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Surely there are better prospects to be targeting with that sort of money Green, Anderson, Rowell, Clarke or a Smith types

 

[Arr0w]

Why are we going after Cerra with A Grader money?

Really haven't watched him play, so not sure

• What makes a guy that ranks, average to below average in most categories, so exciting
• Heard he is an elite kick, but still averages 3 turnovers by his 9 kicks a game

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Surely there are better prospects to be targeting with that sort of money Green, Anderson, Rowell, Clarke or a Smith types

He is elite by foot as a mid, cant think of one of our mids that comes close in that area

 

[The Return of the Paf]

He is elite by foot as a mid, cant think of one of our mids that comes close in that area

Is he elite by foot as a full-back, as well?

 

[Arr0w]

Is he elite by foot as a full-back, as well?

Yeah and spot, a peanut a mile away

 

[Original Moody Blue]

They don't need mates rates, interest rates are at an all time low.

Crowds will start to dramatically increase and back to normal within 3-4 years.

Just leave the rules alone and let it play out

Now, list management?

Perhaps on mortgages, but the Banks are still gouging business and commercial loans. Go and apply for a personal loan and see the rate you are offered.

 

[Arr0w]

Perhaps on mortgages, but the Banks are still gouging business and commercial loans. Go and apply for a personal loan and see the rate you are offered.

It would be a commercial loan though, yeah?

 

[Sector 7G]

Hardly gets it, averages 16 possessions a game with 9 kicks..
That's a lot of cash to spend on a non elite player

Averages over 20 this season with an injury interrupted game pushing his average way down 3 or 4.

Had a bad game against the Blue so doesn't pass the Marchesani test of recruiting a player that blitzed against the Blues. Surprised we didn't go after Tom McDonald last trade period

 

[jelly]

Perhaps on mortgages, but the Banks are still gouging business and commercial loans. Go and apply for a personal loan and see the rate you are offered.

A personal loan is very different to a line of credit that’s never used...

 

[DangerousD]

Averages over 20 this season with an injury interrupted game pushing his average way down 3 or 4.

Had a bad game against the Blue so doesn't pass the Marchesani test of recruiting a player that blitzed against the Blues. Surprised we didn't go after Tom McDonald last trade period

Shouldnt laugh, McDonald was offered up and has been great this year, would have been cheap too.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Averages over 20 this season with an injury interrupted game pushing his average way down 3 or 4.

Had a bad game against the Blue so doesn't pass the Marchesani test of recruiting a player that blitzed against the Blues. Surprised we didn't go after Tom McDonald last trade period

Actually I was surprised we didn't - we short of kpp and Melbourne were offering to part pay his salary .. I have him over Jones or casboult .

 

[Blue__Balls]

Hardly gets it, averages 16 possessions a game with 9 kicks..
That's a lot of cash to spend on a non elite player

Might be averaging 16 touches a game for his career, but he's trending upwards pretty nicely. 13, 15, 17, 21 across his three and a half seasons to date. Think he started off his career playing down back as well, and is now seeing increased midfield time.

Disposal efficiency has been consistently north of 70%, and that despite taking on some very challenging kicks a lot of the time. Has a strong frame and can lay a tackle. Good vision and awareness in traffic and makes decisions quickly.

Limited viewing of course, but there are some highlight videos from 2019 and 2020 on Youtube that you could take a look at.

I agree that $800k is probably a stretch, but if guys like Cripps and Harry accept unders to stay so that we can chase guys like Cerra a bit harder then it's probably not a huge issue. I'd suggest something like $650k base plus some nice incentives to take him to $800k in a stellar year - could even pitch a shorter contract term to allow him to renegotiate in a few years when his performance is really peaking.

 

[Ash24]

Sounds like Charlie isn’t far away.. how does our fwd line look with him there??

What do we do with McGovern and Murphy? Do we still need Levi for ruck back up?

I think our best front 7 is...

HF: Fisher - Curnow - Martin
F: Owies - McKay - McGovern/JSOS
INT: Fogarty

Cunners is best 22 (maybe coming off the bench?), so he'd play a mid-forward role rotating with Fog or Martin.

I honestly don't know who would be our ruck relief. Harry seems like the only viable option if we don't play Levi (or two rucks), but does that diminish his longevity?

It's a toss up between JSOS or Gov in the forward line, but I think Mitch would replace Parks as that intercepting/3rd tall down back. That's the only way I see him staying in the side if we play JSOS as well, although I probably do prefer McGovern up forward when fit to Silvagni (controversial opinion!)

 

[Ash24]

Why are we going after Cerra with A Grader money?

Really haven't watched him play, so not sure

• What makes a guy that ranks, average to below average in most categories, so exciting
• Heard he is an elite kick, but still averages 3 turnovers by his 9 kicks a game

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Surely there are better prospects to be targeting with that sort of money Green, Anderson, Rowell, Clarke or a Smith types

Cerra averages 74% disposal efficiency.

Just for reference, Cripps is at 69%, Walsh at 68% and Curnow 66%. Even Williams who is meant to have class and be a silky player, only goes at 70% efficiency.

General ball use and entries inside 50 are by far our biggest problems offensively this year. Our midfield generally is fine and our forwards are probably our biggest strength, but our connection between the two is shocking.

 

[katmanblue]

Moore and both Daicos brothers or GTFO. Stuff De Goey.

Are we talking breadcrumbs or maybe a rice based stuffing? Or perhaps we go full taxidermy.