List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[chunkylover53]

I managed to keep all our players on AFL Evolution 2020 PS4 so I don't see why it should be that hard tbh.

 

[Arr0w]

People do understand that when re-signing a player the impact on the cap is the difference between what they were paid and what they will be paid, yeah.

For instance if Cripps is on $600 now and we re-sign him for $800 it increases our TPP by $200 only.

Can you stop adding logic

 

[Jeremias]

I know that the AFL explicitly wanted in the software that front loading couldn't see the scenario above of $1m, $1m, $375k. They would allow in extreme cases for it to be allowed. But Jack Martin walking in the PSD wouldn't be one of those where we'd get approval for his contract to more than half.

I am not sure anyone has seriously suggested such a variance would be likely. I agree a drop of over $600k in one year sounds excessive.

If we use Martin as an example, say he is on the reported $3m for 5 years at an average of $600k p/a.

There is every chance we've used the banked cap space to clear up to two thirds of that contract already.

My feel for the room in the cap is that there isn't the extra $800k a year we need for Walsh and McKay when there is in 2022 at least $1.7m set aside for Martin ($600k), Williams ($600-750k) and McGovern ($500-700k) and we already have to bring spend down by $600k. It's basic math reduce by -$600k (cap back to 100%) whilst increasing by $800k (Mckay and Walsh) means we have to find $1.4m on our current spend.

Not sure why you are including Walsh in this. He is signed for 2022, we don't need to find any additional funds for him next season.

As I've said many times now, $500-600k at best from the front ended main two recruits. Leaves us $800-900k to find. Retirements should net another $300-400k. Leaving us $400-500k short. That's the grey area that could very well be doable with massively front ended savings coming from Docherty, Charlie, Marchbank, Plowman, Weitering etc. There's about 8 guys that could fit into that category that we need to have their 2022 base salary reducing by $50-100k on top of the big 2 well publicised front end deals.

Hopefully SOS has sorted it out and there isn't a massive cap squeeze. But for now it is a big watch this space. Not to mention the extra $800k we'd be giving to McKay and Walsh is about $500k short of what they would be able to get if they left. You don't want any sort of pressure on the cap when you're not that close to the top 4. You don't mind it if you're in the 8 and within touching distance.

I've already broken my golden rule by discussing financials above and I won't go into it in any further depth.

What I will say is this. Ultimately we all have no idea about any of this so it is not worth worrying about. Any figures quoted are fed to us by the media as is the speculation around contracts etc. which is completely absurd because they've proven time and time again to have no idea and have been called out countless times for that.

Do you ever wonder why it's always an exact figure quoted by the media, with next to no consideration of performance based contracts/bonuses etc.?

How many journos do you honestly believe are clued into how the cap actually works, the cap saving mechanism etc.? I'd say there's not even a handful.

And that's exactly why I'm completely dismissive of any talk that we've stuffed our cap or that we're in trouble. There's simply nothing concrete to indicate as such and in fact everything over the past few years would indicate the contrary.

 

[Juddernaut08]

RE: Why we have to find room in 2022 for Walsh:
Because we will like to get his contracted sorted before he goes into his final year

That still wouldn't change what's owed in 2022 would it. C'mon dude you must be taking the piss.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Seen someone on Twitter say Cripps has signed a 4 year deal on $850k not sure where this coming from, but if true is a great result. Still makes him very well paid but should allow us to sign H without too much trouble.

 

[Ash24]

Seen someone on Twitter say Cripps has signed a 4 year deal on $850k not sure where this coming from, but if true is a great result. Still makes him very well paid but should allow us to sign H without too much trouble.

From the Bluemour thread. I've quoted it bellow...

Cripps will remain a blue for next 4 years ..

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If the club can sign Harry Crippa and Walsh and pinch Cerra from freo or get a few role players like Kane Farrell and Jordan Clark to sure up our outside run while keeping a draft pick or two to find some KPP prospects I will personally worship the alter of Nick Austin every morning when I wake up.

 

[THE_GUN]

The biggest recruiting mistake we made at the time was not going really hard after Tom Mitchell. Now there is talk Hawthorn may trade him to restart their rebuilding. Geez we would want to throw everything to get him. if Paddy has to be traded to a WA club for draft picks, then so be it. Consistent 30-40 plus possession getters are hard to find..

Giving up Cripps for Mitchell , If i was a Carlton fan i would burn the joint down Cray move cripps is 10 times the player mitchell is with his 40 dinky give take possessions.

SPS most likely at Freo

Dow maybe off to Richmond...

Where did you get that from ?

Last year on another Richmond forum a richmond supporter with connections mentioned this, Something along the lines of the family asked the question from carlton and were told not possible.

 

[CJMB]

Giving up Cripps for Mitchell , If i was a Carlton fan i would burn the joint down Cray move cripps is 10 times the player mitchell is with his 40 dinky give take possessions.



Where did you get that from ?

Last year on another Richmond forum a richmond supporter with connections mentioned this, Something along the lines of the family asked the question from carlton and were told not possible.

I think Dow to Richmond probably is from the same line of thinking as:

Carlton/Norf should get the other McKay
Carlton should draft Henry Walsh
Carlton/Geelong should get the other De Koning
Saints/Suns should get the other King
Let's get both the Swallow's together
etc

You've already got one, surely you'd want another! Why not both?!

 

[Juddernaut08]

I think Dow to Richmond probably is from the same line of thinking as:

Carlton/Norf should get the other McKay
Carlton should draft Henry Walsh
Carlton/Geelong should get the other De Koning
Saints/Suns should get the other King
Let's get both the Swallow's together
etc

You've already got one, surely you'd want another! Why not both?!

Richmonds midfield is ageing so bringing in a young talent like Dow is a worthwhile gamble

 

[F_therest]

Seen someone on Twitter say Cripps has signed a 4 year deal on $850k not sure where this coming from, but if true is a great result. Still makes him very well paid but should allow us to sign H without too much trouble.

4 years @ $850k is a very reasonable and good deal for the club...especially in this era where lots of gun players receiving contracts of 6+ years.

Bit hard to judge since Cripps' form hasn't been great for 18 months now...but he is still important as our captain and we can't forget just how much he carried us before 2020. Hopefully he gets over his back issue and can return to form.

 

[F_therest]

Richmonds midfield is ageing so bringing in a young talent like Dow is a worthwhile gamble

Honestly don't think Dow is a 'Richmond type of player'. They only draft strong runners who spread and apply defensive pressure...their entire gameplan is based off it.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

4 years @ $850k is a very reasonable and good deal for the club...especially in this era where lots of gun players receiving contracts of 6+ years.

Bit hard to judge since Cripps' form hasn't been great for 18 months now...but he is still important as our captain and we can't forget just how much he carried us before 2020. Hopefully he gets over his back issue and can return to form.

Cripps form hasn't been great compared to the very high standard he set in his first 5 years, but he has still been one of our most important players. The only concern i have with the 4 year deal is it will take him right to the nice point of being an unrestricted free agent, however it does protect the club should his body shut down.

 

[Blue__Balls]

That still wouldn't change what's owed in 2022 would it. C'mon dude you must be taking the piss.

Also....for all this talk of front loading deals, surely JD understands that the opposite can be done too...

 

[Juddernaut08]

Honestly don't think Dow is a 'Richmond type of player'. They only draft strong runners who spread and apply defensive pressure...their entire gameplan is based off it.

they need a one way runner replacmeent for dusty eventually tho


oh no he didnt!

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Which is why i am a little worried they could make a god father offer to H. If i am head of list management at North I am giving Harry a 10 mil, 8 year contract and tying him up with his brother long term as the key pillars for their rebuild.. How they would get the trade done is interesting, but they would have the PSD threat..

They just got rid of a fullforward, seriously doubt they will pay $10m for Harry. they need to focus on their mid field first. Once Goldstein & Cunnington leave they are stuffed.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Giving up Cripps for Mitchell , If i was a Carlton fan i would burn the joint down Cray move cripps is 10 times the player mitchell is with his 40 dinky give take possessions.



Where did you get that from ?

Last year on another Richmond forum a richmond supporter with connections mentioned this, Something along the lines of the family asked the question from carlton and were told not possible.

Mitchell would be a great fit at Richmond to replace Cotchin who is probably in his last year..

 

[TENACIOUS]

I think Dow to Richmond probably is from the same line of thinking as:

Carlton/Norf should get the other McKay
Carlton should draft Henry Walsh
Carlton/Geelong should get the other De Koning
Saints/Suns should get the other King
Let's get both the Swallow's together
etc

You've already got one, surely you'd want another! Why not both?!

Get your point

But, we should absolutely do everything we can, to get Sam De Koning, his going to be an absolute gun..
Can play KPD, KPF & Ruck

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

They just got rid of a fullforward, seriously doubt they will pay $10m for Harry. they need to focus on their mid field first. Once Goldstein & Cunnington leave they are stuffed.

They remains me of us abit. They have used 5 top 12 picks in the last 5 years on mids, add pick one this year and they probably should have their midfield set but I wouldn’t bet on it.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Get your point

But, we should absolutely do everything we can, to get Sam De Koning, his going to be an absolute gun..
Can play KPD, KPF & Ruck

Hmm, Geelong with a geriatric list, sure give him up for Murphy...

 

[TENACIOUS]

They remains me of us abit. They have used 5 top 12 picks in the last 5 years on mids, add pick one this year and they probably should have their midfield set but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Really can't comment on North as haven't watched one of their games this year..

But, you build the spine first.. As it takes the longest to develop, then put the talent around them...
If I was North, I'd look at trading Pick one for multiple top ten picks..

Also if North get a priority pick, after decimating their own list, not even winning a spoon in past 5 years and only just becoming uncompetitive..
Then the AFL is ****ed and we should be taking it further, because we missed out on PP with a worse record..

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Really can't comment on North as haven't watched one of their games this year..

But, you build the spine first.. As it takes the longest to develop, then put the talent around them...
If I was North, I'd look at trading Pick one for multiple top ten picks..

Also if North get a priority pick, after decimating their own list, not even winning a spoon in past 5 years and only just becoming uncompetitive..
Then the AFL is f@#$ed and we should be taking it further, because we missed out with a worse record..

We didnt miss out... Remember we got 1st pick over the over 21s.. What a joke of a priority pick that was, cant even remember who we took thats how valuable they were.

 

[Aphrodite]

From the Bluemour thread. I've quoted it bellow...

The contract amount wasn't mentioned by barass.

 

[no fate]

Really can't comment on North as haven't watched one of their games this year..

But, you build the spine first.. As it takes the longest to develop, then put the talent around them...
If I was North, I'd look at trading Pick one for multiple top ten picks..

Also if North get a priority pick, after decimating their own list, not even winning a spoon in past 5 years and only just becoming uncompetitive..
Then the AFL is ****ed and we should be taking it further, because we missed out on PP with a worse record..

They won't, afl reserves priority draft picks and other special favours for their sponsored favourites: GC, GWS, Brisbane, Sydney. North are viewed same as Carlton - on their own no matter what.

 

[Sector 7G]

They won't, afl reserves priority draft picks and other special favours for their sponsored favourites: GC, GWS, Brisbane, Sydney. North are viewed same as Carlton - on their own no matter what.

North doing badly makes it easier to punt them down to Tassie full time. They will get no favours from the AFL