List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[thylacine60]

I think our best forward 7 is...

F: Fisher - McKay - Curnow
HF: Owies - McGovern -Fogarty/Honey
INT: Silvagni

Fisher & Owies - Our best 2 Small forwards, no brainer...

McKay - Best FF in the game at the minute...

Curnow - I’d have him a FP, been out of the game for 2 years, it would take the pressure off him and let I’m roam...

McGovern - Played his best game before injury. As a CHF/2nd Ruck gave him a task and direction, would like to continue to explore this...

Fogarty/ Honey - Fogarty has had some great and average games, but consistently tackles well. I’d like to reserve judgement until I seeHoney play some games...

Silvagni - Start on bench, JSOS important selection not only for his willingness to have a go, but also he can play all 3 zones

Martin- Would prefer to use him as a winger/ mid rotation

Gee whizz, hasn't Owies impressed?

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Don't really understand how people still think McGovern is ahead of JSOS?

JSOS plays well every time he plays, we also win a lot more when he's out there.

McGovern is and always has been unfit, flaky and unable to find it if forward of centre. Imo he needs to go back or his career is f’ed.

Both different players with different roles IMO.
Gov was recruited as a 3rd tall who is an aerial threat. Played it well at Crows with Walker and Jenkins. Was expected to do it here alongside Charlie and Harry. How many times have all 3 been on the park together? He's supposed to taking the 3rd best defender and stretching a team's defence, which will help Charlie and Harry to no get double teamed. He's not the type of player to kick 3 goals a game as 1st or 2nd fiddle with one of the best defenders on him.
SOS is more of a utility. Can float from arc to arc, play some midfield time. High pressure player. Room for both.
HF: SOS, Harry, Gov
FF: Owies, Charlie, Fisher
Then Fog as fwd/mid who can rotate with SOS.

 

[DangerousD]

Kelly has a guaranteed 1 mil extension at GWS, but it is only 1 year. If he is wanting to come back to Melbourne he might be after tenure and security rather than 1 big fat check and at his age 4 years at $750k with an option for a 5th might get the job done. Cerra is coming into his prime and would be chasing and be offered similar $.

Kellys extension by media reports this year and when he re-signed two years ago, are for 8 years.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

3 flags in a row is mediocrity?

I think the players like to see former players they can look up to who have got the job done on the big stage.. If your a player looking at our coaches -

- Teague, Very average AFL player even if he did win a BNF with us
- Stanton, I might be biased because i hate Essendon so much but he was a soft, front running ordinary footballer
- Barker - Okay player, but was too old by the time Hawthorn were any good
- Amos - Hasnt played AFL.

 

[DangerousD]

For me it is not surrounding them with success has been the issue. We have a 20 year culture of losing and being poor and we have assistant coaches John Barker, Brent Stanton & Cameron Bruce who have only known mediocrity.. During our first stages of rebuilding we should have bought in a 'Luke Hodge' type to show the younger guys the way.

In regards to mediocrity, Bruce was a good player, played in finals and was in the leadership group at the Demons, he was also a development coach and assistant coach for 3 premierships at the Hawks, that isn’t mediocrity.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

In regards to mediocrity, Bruce was a good player, played in finals and was in the leadership group at the Demons, he was also a development coach and assistant coach for 3 premierships at the Hawks, that isn’t mediocrity.

I think you are severely over rating Bruce playing credentials, he was in the leadership and captain during Melbourne's horror years, he was a bung average footballer, never made an All Australian.

 

[DangerousD]

I think you are severely over rating Bruce playing credentials, he was in the leadership and captain during Melbourne's horror years, he was a bung average footballer, never made an All Australian.

Im not suggesting he was a star player, but he was a solid player who played top level over a long period, as an assistant he was a part of 3 premierships, we are talking about him as a coach here.

History shows plenty of average AFL players making good coaches, if memory serves me correctly, Clarkson never played in a final or might have been, never won a final.

Id like to see a few more coaches in our mix who have tasted premiership success as players and coaches but we shouldn’t be judging these guys on whether they were good l,Ayers or not.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

A personal loan is very different to a line of credit that’s never used...

If they haven't used it, then good for them. I suspect though the card has been getting a massive workout with all of the hubs etc from last season.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Im not suggesting he was a star player, but he was a solid player who played top level over a long period, as an assistant he was a part of 3 premierships, we are talking about him as a coach here.

History shows plenty of average AFL players making good coaches, if memory serves me correctly, Clarkson never played in a final or might have been, never won a final.

Id like to see a few more coaches in our mix who have tasted premiership success as players and coaches but we shouldn’t be judging these guys on whether they were good l,Ayers or not.

I agree and having a good mix would be ideal, however i think there simply must be a correlation to playing in a successful team to having coaching success.

If you look at Richmonds list,

Hardwick - Played in 2 premierships
McQualter - undecorated player, but played in a GF
Kingsley - 1 x Premiership
Xavier Clarke - Didnt play in the GF because of injury but was part of the Ross Lyon Saints
Sam Lonergan - injuries stopped him playing in the Geelong flags, but was part of the squad.
and prior to that
Justin Leppitsch - 3 x flags
Blake Carracella - Flag with both Essendon & Brisbane.

 

[Sector 7G]

I agree and having a good mix would be ideal, however i think there simply must be a correlation to playing in a successful team to having coaching success.

If you look at Richmonds list,

Hardwick - Played in 2 premierships
McQualter - undecorated player, but played in a GF
Kingsley - 1 x Premiership
Xavier Clarke - Didnt play in the GF because of injury but was part of the Ross Lyon Saints
Sam Lonergan - injuries stopped him playing in the Geelong flags, but was part of the squad.
and prior to that
Justin Leppitsch - 3 x flags
Blake Carracella - Flag with both Essendon & Brisbane.

Sam Lonergan was the mediocre drug cheating bomber, with the giant forehead, that drove Carrots into the MCG turf and then became a Tiger rather than Tom the long time Cats defender

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Sam Lonergan was the mediocre drug cheating bomber, with the giant forehead, that drove Carrots into the MCG turf and then became a Tiger rather than Tom the long time Cats defender

my bad...

 

[El Topo]

Im not suggesting he was a star player, but he was a solid player who played top level over a long period, as an assistant he was a part of 3 premierships, we are talking about him as a coach here.

History shows plenty of average AFL players making good coaches, if memory serves me correctly, Clarkson never played in a final or might have been, never won a final.

Id like to see a few more coaches in our mix who have tasted premiership success as players and coaches but we shouldn’t be judging these guys on whether they were good l,Ayers or not.

The ideal coach is a premiership back pocket

 

[Arr0w]

mcgov can play ruck. jsos as utility.

imo our best 22 has both

Gov in the ruck?

 

[Arr0w]

No thanks to Kelly

 

[Juddernaut08]

Gov in the ruck?

Got a great leap. Can match the rucks for sheer weight despite giving up height.

I'd rather TDK/McGov tandem (rather than the slower Pitto/TDK).

 

[Arr0w]

Got a great leap. Can match the rucks for sheer weight despite giving up height.

I'd rather TDK/McGov tandem (rather than the slower Pitto/TDK).

Gov would sprain a fingernail at the first contest and be out for the season.

In all seriousness, I would try the same thing, but he doesn't have the will to play that role

 

[brisbanelions]

What is going with sps. has he been playing reserves, I don’t seem to recall him playing in the reserves from what i have seen. I thought he would be as dropped from seniors

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What is going with sps. has he been playing reserves, I don’t seem to recall him playing in the reserves from what i have seen. I thought he would be as dropped from seniors

Was the sub and then we had no reserves, will play 2s this week. With our lack of wingers I hope he plays this role although i am not sure he is quick enough but is worth a go.

 

[DangerousD]

What’s the general consensus on what Harry will cost contract wise? He’s had a great season so far and will have plenty of offers, what’s the sweet spot, where he gets a good deal and we don’t overpay and compromise the rest of the squad?

Id be happy for anything under 5 years and $900,000 but it see,s interest and pressure is mounting up.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What’s the general consensus on what Harry will cost contract wise? He’s had a great season so far and will have plenty of offers, what’s the sweet spot, where he gets a good deal and we don’t overpay and compromise the rest of the squad?

Id be happy for anything under 5 years and $900,000 but it see,s interest and pressure is mounting up.

Its an interesting conversation because Harry is obviously the buzz at the moment, but currently we are a 1 dimensional forward line... Its Harry or bust.. How the dynamic shapes once Charlie Curnow comes in will be interesting. I can really see our fwd set up resembling that of a Richmond, with Tom Lynch/Harry & Jack Riewoldt/Charlie Curnow.. Richmond are a far better side having both options, however Tom Lynch the big power forwards role and influence on the game is no where near as valuable. The same thing is likely to happen to Harry once Charlie comes in, so paying him $900k a year would be irresponsible, but to pay him much less would mean we risk losing him.

 

[DangerousD]

Its an interesting conversation because Harry is obviously the buzz at the moment, but currently we are a 1 dimensional forward line... Its Harry or bust.. How the dynamic shapes once Charlie Curnow comes in will be interesting. I can really see our fwd set up resembling that of a Richmond, with Tom Lynch/Harry & Jack Riewoldt/Charlie Curnow.. Richmond are a far better side having both options, however Tom Lynch the big power forwards role and influence on the game is no where near as valuable. The same thing is likely to happen to Harry once Charlie comes in, so paying him $900k a year would be irresponsible, but to pay him much less would mean we risk losing him.

Thats assuming Charlie comes back and is a similar player as before, but I see your point, If a team or two are offering close to $1M and long term, I don’t see us getting away with paying him a great deal less.

 

[Koutamightafides]

What’s the general consensus on what Harry will cost contract wise? He’s had a great season so far and will have plenty of offers, what’s the sweet spot, where he gets a good deal and we don’t overpay and compromise the rest of the squad?

Id be happy for anything under 5 years and $900,000 but it see,s interest and pressure is mounting up.

5 years $4 million

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Its an interesting conversation because Harry is obviously the buzz at the moment, but currently we are a 1 dimensional forward line... Its Harry or bust.. How the dynamic shapes once Charlie Curnow comes in will be interesting. I can really see our fwd set up resembling that of a Richmond, with Tom Lynch/Harry & Jack Riewoldt/Charlie Curnow.. Richmond are a far better side having both options, however Tom Lynch the big power forwards role and influence on the game is no where near as valuable. The same thing is likely to happen to Harry once Charlie comes in, so paying him $900k a year would be irresponsible, but to pay him much less would mean we risk losing him.

Not sure we will see Curnow play another senior game to brutally honest. If he had done an ACL he would have been back and playing by now. He has been running and is now just starting to join in on ball work. The test will come when 2 and 3 opposition players collide with him 5 and 6 times a game, and put his knee under real pressure.

If Curnow does manage to make a comeback, he will be a shell of the player we remembered, but 10 times better than McGovern. People of my generation still remember Peter Motley, and how his brilliant career was tragically ended, by someone that the authorities have never been able to identify, which almost beggars belief.

‘I feel sorry for him’: What happened to Charlie Curnow, and can he still be the next Kouta?

In mid-2019 Charlie Curnow suffered a knee injury which the club said should take “three or four weeks” to heal. He hasn’t played since. What happened?

www.theage.com.au

 

[DangerousD]

5 years $4 million

I don’t think it will be enough, Charlie Curnow going off media reports at the time is on that, Zac Williams is supposedly on that or very close and we are supposedly offering Cerra $700-$750,000.

It would be great for us to get him at that, but I can imagine a club or two offering quite a bit more and we will have to at least get close.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

I don’t think it will be enough, Charlie Curnow going off media reports at the time is on that, Zac Williams is supposedly on that or very close and we are supposedly offering Cerra $700-$750,000.

It would be great for us to get him at that, but I can imagine a club or two offering quite a bit more and we will have to at least get close.

Curnow is off contract in 2023. Unless he has a stellar season in 2022, his days of huge contracts are over. He will get a 2 year contact at rock bottom rates and heavily incentivized. His manager may decide to try his luck elsewhere, but there will not be too many takers.