Couldn't give a **** what the media think, good, bad or indifferent
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The only time I complain about it is when others imply that we don't get treated any differently than any other club. Every club has its own cultural identity and that is also perceived by outsiders. I just wished the media were both more pointed (rather than blunt) and that they had more sympathy for the fans.
Don’t buy there’s a media agenda against Carlton. The whole world is not against us. We haven’t played finals since 2013 and that won’t change this year. It’s not like we’ve given the media anything positive to say about us.
Media is pretty predictable. If a team’s doing well they’ll praise you. If you’re losing they’ll say something needs to change, normally the coach. And the media didn’t call for the current Review - the Board did.
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Media is pretty predictable. If a team’s doing well they’ll praise you. If you’re losing they’ll say something needs to change, normally the coach. And the media didn’t call for the current Review - the Board did.
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I don't need the media to tell me something I already know and even in that, the extremities are always unrealistic
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Absolutely agree Arrow , media is all about popular hype, perception & parochial fanaticism.
Very little critical and objective comments will ever be made it’s, just counterproductive.
Simply our incompetence is the downfall and unless we accept the malice and weed out the culprits, we’ll be in the doldrums for another decade.
Very little critical and objective comments will ever be made it’s, just counterproductive.
Simply our incompetence is the downfall and unless we accept the malice and weed out the culprits, we’ll be in the doldrums for another decade.
Hi Thy. Although I don’t believe there is an outright bias against Carlton I absolutely believe we are seen as an easy target because of two reasons.
1. we have been so bad for so long.
2. other teams supporters love to hate us - so any bad news sells
Teague and Ratts are cases in point. Carlton went in to the season being tipped to finish between 9th and 12th (no expert tipped us in top 8). We are currently 14th with a game in hand, having not lost by more than 28 points. Saints were widely tipped to finish top 4 yet have been demolished by 10+ goals four times and currently sit 13th, with the second worst % in the league.
Contrast the pressure placed on Teague/Carltonv vs Ratten/Saints by the media.
Teague is in his second full year and Ratts his third, yet the media blowtorch is set firmly on Teague.
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We sell papers….we sell more papers when we suck.
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The media doesn’t hate us… quite the opposite, they love us.
We sell papers and wrangle clicks.
As a club we’ve been so bad and so tumultuous over the past 2 decades, excluding a little purple patch in the middle, that there’s always a great story or narrative to push.
We’ll sack coaches, there have been ‘villains’ at the club like Elliott, the never forgotten brown paper bags, contrasting with the history of success, particularly the ‘more recent’ stuff in the 80s and 90s.
Other clubs don’t get the same attention because they don’t have the following, both supporters and rivals. We (and the general public) revel in the mistakes, errors and downfalls of Collingwood, Essington, Richmond and Hawthorn whenever they occur. The same can’t be said for smaller Melbourne clubs like St Kilda, North Melbourne, Footscray or even Melbourne.
The Dogs and Demons look great now, but if they were to fall back to decade long slumps they probably don’t come near the level of press attention as us, because frankly not as many people are as interested or invested in their success of failure.
And that’s ok.
We sell papers and wrangle clicks.
As a club we’ve been so bad and so tumultuous over the past 2 decades, excluding a little purple patch in the middle, that there’s always a great story or narrative to push.
We’ll sack coaches, there have been ‘villains’ at the club like Elliott, the never forgotten brown paper bags, contrasting with the history of success, particularly the ‘more recent’ stuff in the 80s and 90s.
Other clubs don’t get the same attention because they don’t have the following, both supporters and rivals. We (and the general public) revel in the mistakes, errors and downfalls of Collingwood, Essington, Richmond and Hawthorn whenever they occur. The same can’t be said for smaller Melbourne clubs like St Kilda, North Melbourne, Footscray or even Melbourne.
The Dogs and Demons look great now, but if they were to fall back to decade long slumps they probably don’t come near the level of press attention as us, because frankly not as many people are as interested or invested in their success of failure.
And that’s ok.
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The media is made up of individuals and unfortunately I understand human nature. Most have a deep hatred for us as a club, some during their playing days or some as I even know during their normal lives. As much as we believe this changes, it doesn’t.
I can go back on many small and big incidents and highlight the differences but I’ll just outline, Williams, Judd and even to date the Plowman suspension.
As I have mentioned previously, again I do have a few contacts in the media and if you believe that they don’t, then continue to do so, better for you, but don’t try and sell me otherwise.
I can go back on many small and big incidents and highlight the differences but I’ll just outline, Williams, Judd and even to date the Plowman suspension.
As I have mentioned previously, again I do have a few contacts in the media and if you believe that they don’t, then continue to do so, better for you, but don’t try and sell me otherwise.
Big fan of this kid, wanted us to go after him before signing on for another 3yrs with his last contract...
Very talented kid who started as a forward then developed in defence and now moving up the ground...
Think he would be a wonderful winger rotating midfielder for us, can’t see Port letting him go he’s a priority keeper for them perfect age and skill set...
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Well StKilda were meant to be top 4 bound weren’t they and how are they going and the are not receiving the media heat we get
They are copping their fair share, smaller club doesn't sell like Carlton.
Totally disagree. Show me an article where Ratts’ future as coach has been questioned, as per the multiple ones about Teague.
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To use the most recent one where the two idiot presenters for AFL360 over on Foxsports basically called for Plowman to be suspended using one of your favourite words, egregious, to describe a football marking contest between Plowman and O'Meara. After these two had started their whinging about it, Christian trots out and slaps Plow with a 2 week suspension. In the time since... there hare been a severe lack of the use of egregious when talking about a number of similar incidents, including one by serial head shot offender, Lance Franklin, where he takes out Nick Newman who is bent over trying to retreive the ball when Buddy just goes slamming into him.
Do we hear anything out of those two doyons of trash journalism? How about Hunter Clarks broken jaw... or Hayward getting hit by O'Meara? Is there an outbreak of "egregious" describing these other incidents? The way those two went on about it... you'd think that Plowman had ripped off his head to use as a bowling ball while spreading O'Meara's entrails from one end of the ground to the other.
We can also go back to the Ed Curnow decision... made for the AFL by these two numpties once more. The one in that instance who was crying the most was Whateley... mainly because Hawkins from his beloved Geebungs had also been pinged for touching the umpire in round 7, and then May the following week was pinged and fined for it... but then came the Curnow brothers. Whateley wanted them hung drawn and quartered. Many Egregious were slaughtered on his alter to the football gods for the Curnow brothers temerity of getting off at the tribunal. He sooked, he cried and the AFL came out and appealed against the decisions. One was upheld and Charlie was free to play, and Ed was banned for a week and Whateley then shut the **** up about it.
Caro has a history of taking half truthes and pushing them out as whole fact... and a lot of the time she was aiming them at us. Any chance she had to bad mouth the club, she took it. Her lapdog Hutchie... followed in her footsteps and spread the love.
While I wish the club wouldn't give them any ammo... the return fire is usually greater than the info the club puts out. Even when we win matches, the commentators are going on about the opposition.
Now... I've answered your question...
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Admittedly the club set us up for this... "we'll be playing finals this year"... when a majority of the supporters knew that wasn't going to happen. We would finish mid table, fighting for 8th on the table, I think was the concensus at the start of the year. We current;y sit in 13th, 5 spots off the bottom with some easier games ahead of us to pick up a few more wins. Lets see how we go now that Barker is gone and there is one coach in the midfield controlling things.
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Yeah that really explains decades long systemic media bias against us. Do some research and ask opposition supporters how they believe they are treated - by the AFL, umpires, media, tribunal etc. Every club believes they are hard done by, for various reasons - old sins, expansion club, interstate bias, infamous players, admin grudges etc. If every supporter thinks this way, then Carlton is hardly special. We're just crap and have been for decades. This hasn't meant we haven't received regular positive, even glowing, assessments of what we were planning, expecting, processing. Anyone suggesting we are a special target of poor media coverage needs to look to their own expectations in following a team that hasn't saluted for a generation now.
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Exactly, everyone is hard done by. Don’t get me started on soccer people and the media.
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Like there'd be any point looking to pursuade someone who follows umpires closer than players.The media is made up of individuals and unfortunately I understand human nature. Most have a deep hatred for us as a club, some during their playing days or some as I even know during their normal lives. As much as we believe this changes, it doesn’t.
I can go back on many small and big incidents and highlight the differences but I’ll just outline, Williams, Judd and even to date the Plowman suspension.
As I have mentioned previously, again I do have a few contacts in the media and if you believe that they don’t, then continue to do so, better for you, but don’t try and sell me otherwise.
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I never said I needed it, but others (and more importantly, the club) might. As for the last part of your sentence, I'm not sure what you are getting at but if I can guess, how do you know they are unrealistic if the media never goes there?
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If others, especially the club need a positive puff piece to justify were we are at and or what we could achieve, then we will achieve nothing.
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Not about needing a puff piece, rather having someone to reframe the narrative when it turns against us. The weight of public opinion often drives AFL / MRP decisions.
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And we were supposedly a top 8 chance.
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Hilarious. Ex-Carlton player in media says "I disagree with that statement" and suddenly everything is fine. Very, very strange.
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It does, the whole PP decision of a few years back was entirely popular opinion driven. I would also query Arrow's definition of what a 'puff piece' was if he(?) thinks that was what I was referring to.
