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[SkyhorseTamer]

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Don’t agree with SOS, could be great replacement for Curnow or could play the role of small lockdown backman - haven’t had one for a long time and it’s been a real weakness of ours.

I think most people have missed Sos' point. Whilst he didn't make it well I think he was saying what Hewett provides, that tackling etc, should be minimum standard of any afl listed midfielder and is not a skill set that needs to be traded for. Unfortunately for Carlton we've made it a required attribute to trade in because we've developed a midfield brigade that has nfi how to tackle and work defensively consistently.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think most people have missed Sos' point. Whilst he didn't make it well I think he was saying what Hewett provides, that tackling etc, should be minimum standard of any afl listed midfielder and is not a skill set that needs to be traded for. Unfortunately for Carlton we've made it a required attribute to trade in because we've developed a midfield brigade that has nfi how to tackle and work defensively consistently.

I think he expressed it clearly, and he is right. Doesn't help us now. We have to add pieces that teams usually don't need to go out of their way to add.

I haven't added up the number of imports each club has at the moment, but I assume we are at the pointy end of that list still and that's a little bit of an indictment on us.

 

[KnobHead]

Don’t have a problem with what SOS said. He expressed his view and rationalised it. Sure, he didn’t put the paint gloss on Carlton, but then again the last 20 years speak for themselves.

Don’t think he’s 100% against Hewitt, but think he’d be a lot more comfortable if Ed had retired and the contract was less. Also get the impression he sees a lot of Hewitt’s key traits as something all players should have, a team oriented work ethic which is Carlton’s key weakness.

Don’t think SOS was praising all his picks either. He did have a crack at development- but so did the club review so he’s not out of line there - but he also singled out Dow’s and SPS’s consistency as a problem.


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[no fate]

Re Cerra

100% it’s not going to be two firsts.

with your pick 6 likely to become 8 and the pick received for SPS the deal is going to be

6(8) and pick 29 (WC)

for

Cerra and a future third

This is horse sh*t and you know it. Are Melbourne going to give you the equivalent of pick 6? Hell no. You will take pick 6 only, and you will like it.

 

[Iwishicouldplay4themoney]

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worth a look at for a cheap tall.

 

[BAZZMAN]

what do you think he's worth?

12 to 20

 

[BAZZMAN]

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Don’t agree with SOS, could be great replacement for Curnow or could play the role of small lockdown backman - haven’t had one for a long time and it’s been a real weakness of ours.

love sos but he is still sour towards carlton

 

[BlueTongue]

I think most people have missed Sos' point. Whilst he didn't make it well I think he was saying what Hewett provides, that tackling etc, should be minimum standard of any afl listed midfielder and is not a skill set that needs to be traded for. Unfortunately for Carlton we've made it a required attribute to trade in because we've developed a midfield brigade that has nfi how to tackle and work defensively consistently.

I agree. Not sure why we go and get both Cerra and Hewett. What happens with Dow and Kennedy? As I’ve said numerous times already, we have more urgent needs like a 3rd tall defender. This seems to be a return to the old recruiting habits of just grabbing the ‘best available’ rather than for needs.

 

[BlueTongue]

love sos but he is still sour towards carlton

Not singling you out, but I don’t get this continual comment regarding SOS.
He is paid to go on trade radio to give his expert and honest opinion on players.
If anything, I think he curbed his criticism of Carlton, because of his past association with the club.

Don’t we all openly criticise a LOT worse on this board, and for nothing?

I think he is spot on about Cerra, Hewitt, and SPS.

 

[BAZZMAN]

Not singling you out, but I don’t get this continual comment regarding SOS.
He is paid to go on trade radio to give his expert and honest opinion on players.
If anything, I think he curbed his criticism of Carlton, because of his past association with the club.

Don’t we all openly criticise a LOT worse on this board, and for nothing?

I think he is spot on about Cerra, Hewitt, and SPS.

so do i but i still think he has still got the you know whats with carlton
which by the way i can not blame him one bit

 

[Arr0w]

Re Cerra

100% it’s not going to be two firsts.

with your pick 6 likely to become 8 and the pick received for SPS the deal is going to be

6(8) and pick 29 (WC)

for

Cerra and a future third

I think this is around the mark

 

[Coona Blues]

I think this is around the mark

Nup. Good get, even great get, but not essential. We have mids coming out our ****. You have been banging on about spine players, we need the draft capital to get them.

Pick 6. No more, no less. They will not get any more from another club.

 

[Red Bull]

Pick 6 for Cerra is bang on the money.
It doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.
Austin needs to make this crystal clear to all parties as our fair and final offer.

 

[Hogwild]

Pick 6 for Cerra is bang on the money.
It doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.
Austin needs to make this crystal clear to all parties as our fair and final offer.

If Cerra was a pick 5 and it is widely accepted that he has made an exceptional start to his career how if this years pick 6 ( actually 8 ) a "fair" offer?
Picking top 10s is still a risk and some bust, Cerra is a confirmed pick 5. I'm genuinely trying to understand this point of view - if you call it a lowball I get it, I just don't by the "fair" argument.

 

[Hogwild]

12 to 20

You obviously haven't seen much of him. If he's 12-20 SPS is a 4th rd at best

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Nup. Good get, even great get, but not essential. We have mids coming out our ****. You have been banging on about spine players, we need the draft capital to get them.

Pick 6. No more, no less. They will not get any more from another club.

Yeah, they will. 6 and extra. They will demand 2 1sts. We will only want to give up 6. Then meet in the middle.

Not ideal, but he will cost most than just pick 6

 

[Hogwild]

This is horse sh*t and you know it. Are Melbourne going to give you the equivalent of pick 6? Hell no. You will take pick 6 only, and you will like it.

Fremantle will get more than 6 for this trade ( how much I'm not sure ) but 6 alone won't get it done - happy to be reminded if wrong.
Carlton will not want to lose Cerra because of a lowball offer - he will be a great recruit.

 

[Coona Blues]

If Cerra was a pick 5 and it is widely accepted that he has made an exceptional start to his career how if this years pick 6 ( actually 8 ) a "fair" offer?
Picking top 10s is still a risk and some bust, Cerra is a confirmed pick 5. I'm genuinely trying to understand this point of view - if you call it a lowball I get it, I just don't by the "fair" argument.

It is the state of the nation mate. Cerra is unequivocally heading back to Victoria. That is his desire. COVID has separated him from family for the best part of two years. If a deal is not done, he will enter one of the drafts to facilitate this. Playing hardball will not keep him at Freo. “Fair” is relative.

From our perspective, it is highly likely if we play hardball, he could actually enter the draft and get through to pick 6. Only real threat would be Hawks and $’s would likely sort that.

 

[Sheephead]

For those hoping SPS will change his mind - not going to happen. Crippa spoke to him and wished him well, his mind is made up. Wet Toast very keen. Brander swap doubtful but not in the picture. (via ex-player).

 

[Red Bull]

If Cerra was a pick 5 and it is widely accepted that he has made an exceptional start to his career how if this years pick 6 ( actually 8 ) a "fair" offer?
Picking top 10s is still a risk and some bust, Cerra is a confirmed pick 5. I'm genuinely trying to understand this point of view - if you call it a lowball I get it, I just don't by the "fair" argument.

Cerra is OOC and returning to Melbourne to live.
Fact.
Carlton hold pick 6 and it’s a fair offer.
If Cerra nominates Carlton, that’s our offer, what real choice does Freo have.
Most think we paid overs for Saad last year but the circumstances made it so.

 

[Accidental genius]

love sos but he is still sour towards carlton

Totally agree. Time he stfu.

 

[Accidental genius]

For those hoping SPS will change his mind - not going to happen. Crippa spoke to him and wished him well, his mind is made up. Wet Toast very keen. Brander swap doubtful but not in the picture. (via ex-player).

Sauce?

 

[Arr0w]

Nup. Good get, even great get, but not essential. We have mids coming out our ****. You have been banging on about spine players, we need the draft capital to get them.

Pick 6. No more, no less. They will not get any more from another club.

While I have been banging on about spine players, that has nothing to do with what I think Cerra is worth.

While we have mids, not too many have shown the balance and class of Cerra

In the current market, I think Cerra is worth our 1st and some later pick downgrades in favour of the Dockers

As for spine players, it would be great to have another pick at the back end of the 1st round, this is where I see one of the likes of Van Rooyen or Bazzo being available. I feel our 1st is too early for Gibcus.

There are other spine players that are underrated through the 2nd round and beyond

There are also cheaper trade options to fill needs

 

[Hogwild]

Cerra is OOC and returning to Melbourne to live.
Fact.
Carlton hold pick 6 and it’s a fair offer.
If Cerra nominates Carlton, that’s our offer, what real choice does Freo have.
Most think we paid overs for Saad last year but the circumstances made it so.

So it's a low ball - glad we confirmed that.
It will be more than 6

 

[Hogwild]

It is the state of the nation mate. Cerra is unequivocally heading back to Victoria. That is his desire. COVID has separated him from family for the best part of two years. If a deal is not done, he will enter one of the drafts to facilitate this. Playing hardball will not keep him at Freo. “Fair” is relative.

From our perspective, it is highly likely if we play hardball, he could actually enter the draft and get through to pick 6. Only real threat would be Hawks and $’s would likely sort that.

He won't go to the draft.
Don't blame Carl fans for dreaming of low ball - all supporters do it.
It will be more than 6 and Carl will still "win" out of it.