List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[JuddgementDay]

Just looking at my best 22 for 2022; we have to remember that we had a horrid year of injuries, players playing injured or players coming back from long term injuries

Go through each line & you’ll see injuries played a huge part.
(I've underscored the injuries affected players - there's a fair few, I may have missed one or two)

Get the bulk of the best 22 healthy and I have no doubts we are finals bound in 2022


FB: Plowman - Jones - Williams
HB: Saad - Weitering - Stocker
C: Docherty - Cripps - Cerra
HF: Cunningham – C.Curnow - Martin
FF: Fisher - McKay - Honey

R: TDK - Walsh - Hewett
Int: Kemp - JSOS – Dow – McGovern

 

[TENACIOUS]

So you say that their list is full and they will have to get rid of some players.

And one if your potential solutions is to bundle up players we don't want and a future first to get pick 3.

Wouldn't that just mean that they had an extra lot of players and no list slots for them?

It's really poor list management.
They are in a bad spot, unless they can get further concessions (likely).

Last year their cap was reportedly full (so delist and pay-out, not likely option),
now if they can't trade any they will have to delist them and re-draft them.

Could we shake loose a Ballard, Hollands or Flanders for cheap?

I see your point...
Maybe players could go elsewhere for another 2022 First round pick..

Unless they can work a miracle or AFL step in Pick 3 could be wasted

 

[muzza99]

Curious why the delay in signing Honey?

Absolute no-brainer two year deal imo.

Wants a sweetner

 

[bluesmell]

Maybe but I don’t think there are many good ones in the current day AFL.
Look at last night mainly taller mids like Oliver, Petracca, the Bont, Macrae and of the small fellas Viney and Libba are strong bodies who would (and probably have) rag doll someone like Fisher.

Yep not all midfielders, but look at what a difference Bolton, Salem and Caleb Daniels make.

I agree, but as can be seen in the GF when you are off, the team can look very second rate e.g. Melb in the 2nd qtr and WBDs in the last qtr.

We have been playing from behind in most games, it’s very tiring chasing & look like headless chooks…

But, on the bright side we were still in contention for the top 8 going into the last few weeks of the season.

A new coach, better systems, higher standards, higher efforts and just as importantly, a little bit more luck with injuries - we should be final bound.


I’ll bet that some of our more inconsistent/ cream players will rise more often too

I’m definitely looking forward to 2022

Appreciate this optimistic and clear-headed take on things - we're not going to make finals with dropped heads. The past 2 years, even with our problems, we were in a lot of games and within reach of the 8 at times. A bit of cohesion, effort/fitness and system and we'll be there abouts. I feel that even a 10% improvement in a few areas will result in a pleasing outcome next year.

Melbourne, Richmond, Bulldogs in the years leading up to their premierships gives me hope.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

People claiming SPS being ahead of Cerra at the the same stage/age

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

You're literally comparing sps as a Half back in shortened games to Cerra as a full time mid in full length games here...

 

[Michael Jezz]

David Glascott was a very good footballer, ran all day, good aerobic capacity courageous, dared to tread where there’s wound not. We don’t have that mixture in a player on our list yet perhaps stocker may develop.
Can’t compare form of 70s /80s era to footy to modern day form , very different styles as it should be , heads are precious now , in those days one just knocked them out.

Glascott would have been an A grade wingman in any era.
Parkin used to privately measure 1 % and Glascott was statistically our best player in the 82 finals .
Gut runne4, beautiful kick.
Walsh has only just replaced him in my 78 to 2021 best carlton side on a wing
David Glascott wins the award for most under rated carlton player since 1978

 

[BigFrizz36]

You're literally comparing sps as a Half back in shortened games to Cerra as a full time mid in full length games here...

There were stats comparing SPS as a full time mid v Cerra as a half back doing the rounds earlier from their first three years which were completely irrelevant.

Cerra finished third in freo b& f last year. SPS has never got near that despite being older. Their respective trade values will be something like Cerra pick 6 and SPS pick 29 (if we are lucky). It would be very hard to argue that those valuations are incorrect at this point in time.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's really poor list management.
They are in a bad spot, unless they can get further concessions (likely).

Last year their cap was reportedly full (so delist and pay-out, not likely option),
now if they can't trade any they will have to delist them and re-draft them.

Could we shake loose a Ballard, Hollands or Flanders for cheap?

I see your point...
Maybe players could go elsewhere for another 2022 First round pick..

Unless they can work a miracle or AFL step in Pick 3 could be wasted

Just wondering - have you already factored in their retirements?

 

[Arr0w]

You're literally comparing sps as a Half back in shortened games to Cerra as a full time mid in full length games here...

Just listed it at the same age, but happy to delve deeper

This is a year after they were drafted, keep in mind Cerra was 10 months younger

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

This was their last full years as mids (Generally, as both players rested forward and haven't drilled down how much time they spend onball) where I can come close to a similar age

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Sam Petrevski-Seton AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[AB_Blue]

McGovern as a defender make sense.

Reads the play well, goes for his marks and has the discipline to be a defender.

Plowman takes the dangerous small and our half backs in saad and Williams drive us out of defence. Doc/Newman. 7th defender

Stocker to the middle


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[SkyhorseTamer]

There were stats comparing SPS as a full time mid v Cerra as a half back doing the rounds earlier from their first three years which were completely irrelevant.

Cerra finished third in freo b& f last year. SPS has never got near that despite being older. Their respective trade values will be something like Cerra pick 6 and SPS pick 29 (if we are lucky). It would be very hard to argue that those valuations are incorrect at this point in time.

Wow neither player played full time mid in their first 3 seasons? What a shocking revelation. At least other comparisons actually have the same length games and more data than just one season.

All thats besides the point and irrelevant to what I said. I don't really care about what his value will be. Either he'll flame out and we would've got overs (but still not much) or he'll go on to play 200 for WC and we look stupid. Neither are that great. I said nothing about draft picks and 'values' which are almost always completely wrong when it comes down to the actual trade most people on this site are miles off. Despite proclaminig their view points are very hard to dispute.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Certainly hear your point re the preferred wingers (Cerra and Walsh). Howerver, Williams is creative, tough, can change direction and can get metres under his belt if allowed. If he, Voss & co can build him a tank and his confidence, he could be a real boost to our midfield (rotating to HBF as necessary), a new recruit, so to speak.

Don’t get me wrong I think Williams is a good player - he is an excellent half back - and I think he has a lot of attributes to be really good as a pinch hitter in the middle…I’m just not sure he can do it week in week out.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Wow neither player played full time mid in their first 3 seasons? What a shocking revelation. At least other comparisons actually have the same length games and more data than just one season.

All thats besides the point and irrelevant to what I said. I don't really care about what his value will be. Either he'll flame out and we would've got overs (but still not much) or he'll go on to play 200 for WC and we look stupid. Neither are that great. I said nothing about draft picks and 'values' which are almost always completely wrong when it comes down to the actual trade most people on this site are miles off. Despite proclaminig their view points are very hard to dispute.

Cerra is already a very good player and with natural progression and good coaching in a good system has every chance of becoming a great player.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Last night, Ed Langdon at 76kg

Richmond threepeat, Edwards (78kg) and Lambert (77kg), Bolton with 2 flags at 77kg.

2018, Masten at 77kg

Can go back further, but I think the point is clear. Being on the lighter side does not preclude a player from being part of a successful midfield.

Agree you can't have a midfield entirely made up of the lighter types, who you surround them with is important. Balance is critical.

I certainly concede that those blokes are good players, but our problem is in comparison with Fisher they are all either more talented or dedicated and in some instances both!

 

[bmaurizio]

Cerra is already a very good player and with natural progression and good coaching in a good system has every chance of becoming a great player.

Yup agree Adam Cerra is a no brainer at p6, astounding that some will continue to debat the validity of the trade. I’m awaiting official nomination, keep the fingers crossed.
We desperately need a Ruckman too, perhaps Ladham given Vossy’s connection may not be a gun but would be serviceable and may develop.
Pittonet is a battler at best , TDK & Mirkov need at least 2/3 years to establish themselves. A Ruckman is very urgent , if we revitalize our engine room, we can exploite our strongest position on the park our Forward line, also relive pressure on defense.

 

[Cliffords Blues]

For those hoping SPS will change his mind - not going to happen. Crippa spoke to him and wished him well, his mind is made up. Wet Toast very keen. Brander swap doubtful but not in the picture. (via ex-player).

Was told he was not being offered a new contract, so of course he was going.
Voss has had a chat but damage already done.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Was told he was not being offered a new contract, so of course he was going.
Voss has had a chat but damage already done.

I don't get this, why wouldn't the list management team even offer a token contract (low based) - at least that way, he can't go for nothing

 

[Cliffords Blues]

I don't get this, why wouldn't the list management team even offer a token contract (low based) - at least that way, he can't go for nothing

Just what I was told mate and very reliable source.
I sent Alph my source.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Just what I was told mate and very reliable source.
I sent Alph my source.

I'm not doubting your info mate - just questioning our list management actions

 

[Cliffords Blues]

I'm not doubting your info mate - just questioning our list management actions

All good JD
very strange and upset a few players.
Cannot say too much more, but would love too.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Not sure who is on their senior list, just going of Mitch Cleary (Trade Radio)
From memory, think they may have been allowed concessions for overs last year

Just had a gander, and I've got it at 38 according to this list:

Gold Coast Playing List for 2021 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Harbrow, Hombsch, Murdoch and Smith the confirmed retirees, but all were on the rookie list already.

Aiden Fyfe delisted as well, but also from the rookie list.

So Cleary was spot on in this instance - they still need to cut a few from the senior list. Hypothetically they could shuffle a few names around - delist someone and rookie them, while promoting a rookie to the senior list to make up one of the three compulsory changes.

 

[Beyond Blue]

All good JD
very strange and upset a few players.
Cannot say too much more, but would love too.

I’m glad it’s upset the players.
Maybe it’ll be the jolt that a few them need to realise that they are paid to win games of football.

 

[Red_man2008]

Cerra is already a very good player and with natural progression and good coaching in a good system has every chance of becoming a great player.

Imagine what he can learn running next to Walsh at training.

 

[SBYM]

Just what I was told mate and very reliable source.
I sent Alph my source.

Stone the crows, Ailsa!!!

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Mitch McGovern.

Does he stay or go? What is his best position?

If he can play 20 matches next season that would be great.

Stay. 3rd tall defender.