Position 2021 Rucks

[Seymour Skinner]

Why?
Preuss out, Marshall to Rucks, forward rookie or mid-pricer in. Just aim to trade in a big ruck in the coming weeks, then move Marshall back to the FWD

Risk vs reward end of the day

All the money you save by picking Gawn is spent on Marshall when you are forced to pick him for insurance amyways.
Marshall is a good pick on paper, lots will be starting him anyways. But it'd be insanity to pick Pruess without a backup, as the other bailout 300k ruck options are garbage.

Lot of posts saying "Skipping Gawn allows me to afford X and Y instead".
But when it comes down to it's actually just picking Pruess and Marshall over Gawn and a rookie.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

All the money you save by picking Gawn is spent on Marshall when you are forced to pick him for insurance amyways.
Marshall is a good pick on paper, lots will be starting him anyways. But it'd be insanity to pick Pruess without a backup, as the other bailout 300k ruck options are garbage.

Lot of posts saying "Skipping Gawn allows me to afford X and Y instead".
But when it comes down to it's actually just picking Pruess and Marshall over Gawn and a rookie.

Agreed ... you’re still trying to pick scoring players to maximise your team score ..... irrespective of position

If Gawn / Grundy are some of the best SC scorers and one of the most reliable ( C) ..... i feel there’s so much value elsewhere, that i need to choose the set and forget

I believe there’s more risk choosing Neale after a Brownlow / tag ... and Dangerfield on the age slide

Don’t have to worry about tags with Gawn / Grundy

 

[Flandersss]

Gawn & Grundy for me.

 

[Hai_Newman]

Agreed ... you’re still trying to pick scoring players to maximise your team score ..... irrespective of position

If Gawn / Grundy are some of the best SC scorers and one of the most reliable ( C) ..... i feel there’s so much value elsewhere, that i need to choose the set and forget

I believe there’s more risk choosing Neale after a Brownlow / tag ... and Dangerfield on the age slide

Don’t have to worry about tags with Gawn / Grundy

240SC points locked away Captain options with a nicely priced backup 105/110SC+ points Ruck/Fwd in the Fwds, yeap where do I sign.

 

[Hai_Newman]

Agreed ... you’re still trying to pick scoring players to maximise your team score ..... irrespective of position

If Gawn / Grundy are some of the best SC scorers and one of the most reliable ( C) ..... i feel there’s so much value elsewhere, that i need to choose the set and forget

I believe there’s more risk choosing Neale after a Brownlow / tag ... and Dangerfield on the age slide

Don’t have to worry about tags with Gawn / Grundy

Interested now to see the correlation between winning a Brownlow and dropping of next years score in Super Coach.
Might go look this up after I get back from the beach.

 

[ImissFrosty]

I think I might end up going Gawndy again, my faith in Prawny is already wavering and he'd have to go massive in jlt to restore my faith. Only problem with going Gawndy is that I might have to take sexgod Petracca out of my side. 60/40 Gawndy rn.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

All the money you save by picking Gawn is spent on Marshall when you are forced to pick him for insurance amyways.
Marshall is a good pick on paper, lots will be starting him anyways. But it'd be insanity to pick Pruess without a backup, as the other bailout 300k ruck options are garbage.

Lot of posts saying "Skipping Gawn allows me to afford X and Y instead".
But when it comes down to it's actually just picking Pruess and Marshall over Gawn and a rookie.

The arguement is that everyone gonna want Marshall anyway. Hes top 5 FWD. Lock that shit in.
So youre either chasing Marshall for F1/2/3 or Gawn as your R1/2. Heding your bets on Gawn dropping on price.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

I think I might end up going Gawndy again, my faith in Prawny is already wavering and he'd have to go massive in jlt to restore my faith. Only problem with going Gawndy is that I might have to take sexgod Petracca out of my side. 60/40 Gawndy rn.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

 

[Schulzenfest]

Honestly, having looked at the plan teams being posted with and without Gawndy has only confirmed my desire to pick Preuss. Every Gawndy team I've seen has been so much weaker in other areas.

The extra 40-50 points Gawn will get you over Preuss isn't worth it IMO. If you can't find a way to more than make up 40-50 points with 450k, then you're not thinking hard enough.

 

[Flandersss]

Honestly, having looked at the plan teams being posted with and without Gawndy has only confirmed my desire to pick Preuss. Every Gawndy team I've seen has been so weak in other areas.

I had Milera D4, Heppell M6 & Jezza F4 with Gawn/Grundy in the team

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Honestly, having looked at the plan teams being posted with and without Gawndy has only confirmed my desire to pick Preuss. Every Gawndy team I've seen has been so weak in other areas.

The extra 40-50 points Gawn will get you over Preuss isn't worth it IMO. If you can't find a way to make up 40-50 points with 400k, then you're not thinking hard enough.

Did you see my Preuss and Draper team

 

[Schulzenfest]

I had Milera D4, Heppell M6 & Jezza F4 with Gawn/Grundy in the team

The money you would save by going Gawn to Preuss is enough to upgrade Milera to Laird/Whitfield AND Cameron to Dunkley/Marshall while still leaving about 30k left over.

Or, if you're a big fan of those midpricers and don't want to move them on, you could use it to upgrade your worst 117k rookie to a Whitfield/Laird/Dunkley/Marshall and still be a few thousand dollars better off.

Gawn's starting price is insane this year. It's almost irresponsible to pick him.

 

[freddy mercury]

Gawn and Grundy is almost 14% of your entire salary in the rucks. Years gone by it hasn't been an issue, they're my first picked. But this season Pruess' value is almost too good to ignore. Picking him over Grundy frees up 345,200 which is basically picking Heppell over a fringe rookie, obviously Heppell isn't going to be a keeper or average over 100 but is going to be a massive stepping stone, same argument with Pruess. This will give me the biggest headache all summer long.

 

[Shinboner1]

Gawn and Grundy is almost 14% of your entire salary in the rucks. Years gone by it hasn't been an issue, they're my first picked. But this season Pruess' value is almost too good to ignore. Picking him over Grundy frees up 345,200 which is basically picking Heppell over a fringe rookie, obviously Heppell isn't going to be a keeper or average over 100 but is going to be a massive stepping stone, same argument with Pruess. This will give me the biggest headache all summer long.

If you cant get more premium players by taking preuss over grundy/gawn then it isnt worth it IMO.
You'll most likely be losing 2-3 points every week and trades to actually get the 2 keeper ruckman 7-12 weeks into the season.
Also missing out on the additional captaincy options.
In 2020 we were gifted with heaps of good cheap midpricers; pretracca, simp, brayshaw and so on so the additional cash from downgrading a ruckman was somewhat worth but its just not the case in 2021 imo.

 

[Andrew Birch]

If you cant get more premium players by taking preuss over grundy/gawn then it isnt worth it IMO.
You'll most likely be losing 2-3 points every week and trades to actually get the 2 keeper ruckman 7-12 weeks into the season.
Also missing out on the additional captaincy options.
In 2020 we were gifted with heaps of good cheap midpricers; pretracca, simp, brayshaw and so on so the additional cash from downgrading a ruckman was somewhat worth but its just not the case in 2021 imo.

Tracc and Simp were both Rd1 PODs. Most owners used early trades to bring them in.

 

[Shinboner1]

Tracc and Simp were both Rd1 PODs. Most owners used early trades to bring them in.

tracc, simp, brayshaw, short, greenwood, smith, ridley, maynard... So many good mid priced players.

 

[Raveneyes]

LOL's if Preuss flops and Mummy is recalled after 2 rounds.

Massive LOL's if Mummy is named round 1.
Imagine the carnage as "set" teams are forced into an 11th hour reshuffle.

 

[Andrew Birch]

tracc, simp, brayshaw, short, greenwood, smith, ridley, maynard... So many good mid priced players.

IIRC all were Rd1 PODs except for Greenwood & Brayshaw. I traded 4 of them in fairly early on which worked out well...trading out Brayshaw in Rd2 not so well.

 

[Northernsoul74]

LOL's if Preuss flops and Mummy is recalled after 2 rounds.

Massive LOL's if Mummy is named round 1.
Imagine the carnage as "set" teams are forced into an 11th hour reshuffle.

When is the GWS game? Love to see Mumford named on the extended bench and then the emergency.

 

[Shinboner1]

IIRC all were Rd1 PODs except for Greenwood & Brayshaw. I traded 4 of them in fairly early on which worked out well...trading out Brayshaw in Rd2 not so well.

I did something similar.
My 2020 side turned into guys I traded out and then traded back it.
Pretty sure my rd1 side was probably better than the one I had about rd10; it was a nightmare haha.
Sticking with set and forget in 2021.

 

[Hai_Newman]

Almost every score VC/Captain Gawn earns is 80SC points over a Pruess deuce though.

80SC points equals - 435kish

Oh and a trade.

Not saying its a bad strategy, I had LyJETT one year and it payed off nicely.

 

[InFiction]

Interested now to see the correlation between winning a Brownlow and dropping of next years score in Super Coach.
Might go look this up after I get back from the beach.

Year	Player	Brownlow Average	Following Season
2007	Jimmy Bartel	125.8	116
2008	Adam Cooney	106.9	91.2
2009	Gary Ablett Jr	140.1	129.9
2010	Chris Judd	118.5	115.5
2011	Dane Swan	122	126.2
2012	Sam Mitchell / Trent Cotchin	110.8 / 116.3	104.2 / 106
2013	Gary Ablett Jr	128.9	136.7
2014	Matt Priddis	112.7	113.3
2015	Nat Fyfe	124.3	105.4 (5 games, broken leg)

2016	Patty Dangerfield	131.8	136.4
2017	Dusty Martin	119.3	103.9
2018	Tom Mitchell	129.1	113.5 (2020 average, broken leg in 2019 preseason)
2019	Nat Fyfe	120	113.2
2020	Lachie Neale	134.4	???

Hey brother, now you can sink a few more tins at the beach! I've wondered about this myself so threw the numbers in to a quick graph. Doesn't mean much, but I guess you could say Neale would be up against it to pay you out with points spent.. 134.4 is a massive number to back up. Some of the guns of the past struggled with much lower averages.

 

[Hai_Newman]

LOL's if Preuss flops and Mummy is recalled after 2 rounds.

Massive LOL's if Mummy is named round 1.
Imagine the carnage as "set" teams are forced into an 11th hour reshuffle.

 

[Hai_Newman]

Year	Player	Brownlow Average	Following Season
2007	Jimmy Bartel	125.8	116
2008	Adam Cooney	106.9	91.2
2009	Gary Ablett Jr	140.1	129.9
2010	Chris Judd	118.5	115.5
2011	Dane Swan	122	126.2
2012	Sam Mitchell / Trent Cotchin	110.8 / 116.3	104.2 / 106
2013	Gary Ablett Jr	128.9	136.7
2014	Matt Priddis	112.7	113.3
2015	Nat Fyfe	124.3	105.4 (5 games, broken leg)

2016	Patty Dangerfield	131.8	136.4
2017	Dusty Martin	119.3	103.9
2018	Tom Mitchell	129.1	113.5 (2020 average, broken leg in 2019 preseason)
2019	Nat Fyfe	120	113.2
2020	Lachie Neale	134.4	???

Hey brother, now you can sink a few more tins at the beach! I've wondered about this myself so threw the numbers in to a quick graph. Doesn't mean much, but I guess you could say Neale would be up against it to pay you out with points spent.. 134.4 is a massive number to back up. Some of the guns of the past struggled with much lower averages.

Thanks, that's pretty conclusive for the No camp...great work.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

LOL's if Preuss flops and Mummy is recalled after 2 rounds.

Massive LOL's if Mummy is named round 1.
Imagine the carnage as "set" teams are forced into an 11th hour reshuffle.

Jokes on you pal.

Im making my team at the end of round one and still taking home the 50k