Analysis 2021 trade thread

[davemc_lions]

With our “bomb it long down the line and reload” game plan that we run with, someone who can take contested marks certainly would not go astray, especially until Eric gets back.

Joe and Fullarton both do not bring the ball to the ground from a contest.
So we lacked that when Hippy did his knee
We missed McStay doing that early as well.

yes we where the top scoring team, although we also heavily scored against on rebound 50.
I not sure where you find stats on intercept marks in forward 50 as well
I say we high on that as well

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I would play/trial Payne over both.

Where has Payne rucked before? I don't recall him ever playing ruck in the NEAFL or VFL.

I just don't want to add a 32 year old Carlton reject over a kid thrown into a role he was not quite ready for yet
Their should be improvement in Fullarton.

What makes you so sure he will be quite ready for it? I have an alternative suggestion, how about instead of handing a role to Fullarton that he hasn't yet earned by merit, we sign someone for him to compete with, and if Fullarton is clearly head and shoulders above his competition, then he gets to start regularly?

An aging Casboult could go backwards on his 2021 form that was not great anyhow

He could also have a year of good health and give us the competent second ruck we need.

I would prefer for us to show some interest in Max Lynch reportable gettable for $250 k + incentives

That would be nice. But how are you proposing we free up the cap space we need to sign someone for twice the money Casboult will go for?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

All I recall is a guy that can bust packs and mark like a bull and then kick for goal horribly.

He's gone alright in terms of accuracy in the past two years, provided he doesn't kick from beyond 50. The percentages inside 50 are above average, albeit from a small sample size.

 

[mattsmob]

He could also have a year of good health and give us the competent second ruck we need.

How much ruck time will this second ruck get? And how big a difference will it actually make? Also Casboult will still be a below average ruck so it's not like he's going to give us an advantage in there. I also think Fullarton has the ability to get to more contests around the ground that someone like Casboult can't.

 

[briztoon]

I believe a lot of posters are missing the point.

Casboult would not be signed to replace Fullerton in the best 22, so it’s not a Casboult versus Fullerton discussion.

He would be signed as a short term, one year reserve, who could come in to the team if there are further injuries to Oscar or our forwards.

We’re going to be missing Hipwood for most, or possibly all of next season. We are short on genuine experienced KPF depth.

 

[pulpdriver]

I believe a lot of posters are missing the point.

Casboult would not be signed to replace Fullerton in the best 22, so it’s not a Casboult versus Fullerton discussion.

He would be signed as a short term, one year reserve, who could come in to the team if there are further injuries to Oscar or our forwards.

We’re going to be missing Hipwood for most, or possibly all of next season. We are short on genuine experienced KPF depth.

How many posters didn't deduce that?

 

[BRAB]

He won’t be in the team to kick bags of goals, just compete and bring the ball to ground

I SWEAR we said this about Levi as well all the way back in 2016ish when he was raised as a trade target.

Truely full circle

 

[Section 5]

Where has Payne rucked before? I don't recall him ever playing ruck in the NEAFL or VFL.


What makes you so sure he will be quite ready for it? I have an alternative suggestion, how about instead of handing a role to Fullarton that he hasn't yet earned by merit, we sign someone for him to compete with, and if Fullarton is clearly head and shoulders above his competition, then he gets to start regularly?


He could also have a year of good health and give us the competent second ruck we need.


That would be nice. But how are you proposing we free up the cap space we need to sign someone for twice the money Casboult will go for?

I am sure i have answered all those questions
Just like you, me, and any one else on this forum we have no idea what the club has in mind
One thing i do know is the coaches preferred to play Fullarton this year
We have some options to play the 3rd tall forward. They may not be ideal but they at least know the game plan and players
We don't have a ruck to replace Oscar
That's what i hope the recruiting staff are looking for within our salary cap space
The club will free up cap space with delisting's and get someone on their recruitment wish list to join the Lions

 

[mattsmob]

I believe a lot of posters are missing the point.

Casboult would not be signed to replace Fullerton in the best 22, so it’s not a Casboult versus Fullerton discussion.

He would be signed as a short term, one year reserve, who could come in to the team if there are further injuries to Oscar or our forwards.

We’re going to be missing Hipwood for most, or possibly all of next season. We are short on genuine experienced KPF depth.

If we're bringing him in as depth in case Oscar gets injured I'm even more against it.

 

[dlanod]

Did they go for $120K + incentives

Umm... unless you have figures that the rest of us don't, who knows?

 

[briztoon]

How many posters didn't deduce that?

Everyone discussing Casboult v Fullerton and why we shouldn’t sign him.

 

[pulpdriver]

Everyone discussing Casboult v Fullerton and why we shouldn’t sign him.

 

[briztoon]

If we're bringing him in as depth in case Oscar gets injured I'm even more against it.

Fullarton plays ruck, Casboult goes in to the forward line. I feel like I need an eye roll emoji here.

We’re capped out, looking for a one year, minimum salary rental, shopping in the KPP bargain bin.

Who else is going to move states for one year on AFL minimum wage?

 

[mattsmob]

Fullarton plays ruck, Casboult goes in to the forward line. I feel like I need an eye roll emoji here.

We’re capped out, looking for a one year, minimum salary rental, shopping in the KPP bargain bin.

Who else is going to move states for one year on AFL minimum wage?

And I'm not a fan of Casboult in the forward line either, would honestly rather give Lane a go or even McFayden a chance to play third tall. It just comes down to me not rating him enough to take a list spot even if it is for the minimum.

 

[pulpdriver]

And I'm not a fan of Casboult in the forward line either, would honestly rather give Lane a go or even McFayden a chance to play third tall. It just comes down to me not rating him enough to take a list spot even if it is for the minimum.

Casboult is proven for the role we nee at AFL level and he'd be on a 1 year contract.

There's no risk.

 

[Section 5]

Fullarton plays ruck, Casboult goes in to the forward line. I feel like I need an eye roll emoji here.

We’re capped out, looking for a one year, minimum salary rental, shopping in the KPP bargain bin.

Who else is going to move states for one year on AFL minimum wage?

Probably nobody including Casboult

 

[Dalions]

Hopefully GC offer him 130k plus match payments which we just can’t compete with.
Discussion over!

 

[pulpdriver]

Hopefully GC offer him 130k plus match payments which we just can’t compete with.
Discussion over!

GC would need to offer $100k more. A journeyman with a final chance doesn't pick a developing team over a finals one unless he's ******ed.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I am sure i have answered all those questions

Do you mind linking to where you've answered them please?

 

[Nuggo]

If Oscar goes down we are in trouble. If Oscar goes down and we have Casboult we still in trouble maybe just not as bad.

 

[Dalions]

GC would need to offer $100k more. A journeyman with a final chance doesn't pick a developing team over a finals one unless he's ******ed.

He might also be likely to get more game time with Gc and therefore more match payments as a result.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Casboult would not be signed to replace Fullerton in the best 22, so it’s not a Casboult versus Fullerton discussion.

He would be signed as a short term, one year reserve, who could come in to the team if there are further injuries to Oscar or our forwards.

What makes you so certain of this?

 

[mattsmob]

Casboult is proven for the role we nee at AFL level and he'd be on a 1 year contract.

There's no risk.

What has he proven? He's not a ruck and I haven't seen much to suggest he'll offer something as a forward, I will admit I haven't paid too much attention to Carlton or Casboult specifically.
I do agree there's no risk, I just don't think there's much potential either.

 

[pulpdriver]

He might also be likely to get more game time with Gc and therefore more match payments as a result.

Would make sense if they hadn't locked up Chol for their F/R position.

 

[pulpdriver]

What has he proven? He's not a ruck and I haven't seen much to suggest he'll offer something as a forward, I will admit I haven't paid too much attention to Carlton or Casboult specifically.
I do agree there's no risk, I just don't think there's much potential either.

He's proven he can compete in a ruck contest and if you're legitimately suggesting he can't offer anything as a forward I'm gonna assume you haven't watched any Blues games in the last five years. Though I won't blame you if that;s the case.