List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread - Part I

[George]

Sticking this at the top of each page. If it gets annoying, let me know and I can just put it in the original post of the thread. Credit to Lore

 

[Yawkey way]

Well that’s all incredibly understandable if he was hit hard by Covid and it lingered for a couple of months.

About 3 or 4 years ago I got sick and then probably before I was quite ready for it I went out in some very cold night air, and did a bit too much, and got exposed to too much cold, and then the next day I woke up feeling shocking again, and the problem had moved up to my lungs.

Was okayish enough to get out and about by about 5/6 days later, but lung issues lingered and my energy levels were mega-low for the rest of the winter, and into the spring.

About all I had the energy to do was shopping for essentials, and not much else.

It sounds like Hewett was experiencing something similar, so if he was, judging him on his footy during that period would be, frankly, foolish.

Would be like when many on here were writing Bailey Smith off in 2018, because of how he was performing when playing with a known knee injury.

You pretty much have to forget they even played. If anything, the fact they kept playing through adversity is a big green flag.

I suspect the biggest questionmarks for him, like one or two others, are about things other than how he performs on field.

I really rate this kid and hope we can manage to get him, could turn out an absolute steal and has exactly what we need Imo.

 

[JediSaint]

If you think it through.

Melbourne are offering 3 first round picks … in the teens

For pick 4 (5) and pick 22.

It is a s**t deal for the bombers + the fact if they are willing to offer all that. Why wouldn’t you just pick either player yourself

They also offered the same deal to Norf (3) and GC (5). If they were after Pou then why offer GC the same deal, if worried Ess will take Pou.
IMO they are after Humphrey. Haven’t offered a deal after GC who is tipped to take him.

 

[Mr_R0b0t]

That is your opinion obviously, but there are plenty of draft watchers suggesting next year is just a straight up better draft.

Having seen a couple of next years crop in action, it looks like the top end will be very good

Certainly isn't the case Birdman, far from it. I'm the last person to be the judge. I was speaking to a well known player manager last week and that was his response to my question regarding next year's draft being better.

 

[St Neil]

If this happened and all that left was Ginbey and Busslinger, would propose a trade with WCE.

StK Out: P10, F1st
WCE Out: P12, F1st.

Draft Hewitt at P12 and Death Ride WCE all year.

Don’t think West Coast would do that. Not for an upgrade of only 2 draft picks.

Would they swap 8 & 12 for 10, 28 and a F1?

Would we do that?

 

[St Neil]

They also offered the same deal to Norf (3) and GC (5). If they were after Pou then why offer GC the same deal, if worried Ess will take Pou.
IMO they are after Humphrey. Haven’t offered a deal after GC who is tipped to take him.

Astute observation.

Then again they may also know that the other clubs aren’t interested in trading out of the top 10.

 

[bird_man]

Certainly isn't the case Birdman, far from it. I'm the last person to be the judge. I was speaking to a well known player manager last week and that was his response to my question regarding next year's draft being better.

Depends who's opinion you want to listen to then I guess.

Twomey said we could be looking at another super draft a couple of weeks back and other draft watchers have said similar things.

 

[stavro#4]

That is your opinion obviously, but there are plenty of draft watchers suggesting next year is just a straight up better draft.

Having seen a couple of next years crop in action, it looks like the top end will be very good

But there is a good chance we are picking somewhere between 10-12 next year.

So we could miss the “top end”.

Ultimately if they believe they have done the work. Trade in, grab Hewett to go with one of Tsatas/Phillipou/Cmac

everyone wants to say how bad we could be. Every chance we are in the ass end of the 8 and picking in no man’s land in the first round in 23’.

 

[Red White Black]

I want Pou in our hands

 

[stavro#4]

I want Pou in our hands

You’ll be doing poo during the Essendon/Hawthorn/Geelong picks

 

[bird_man]

But there is a good chance we are picking somewhere between 10-12 next year.

So we could miss the “top end”.

Ultimately if they believe they have done the work. Trade in, grab Hewett to go with one of Tsatas/Phillipou/Cmac

everyone wants to say how bad we could be. Every chance we are in the ass end of the 8 and picking in no man’s land in the first round in 23’.

I'd have no issue if we were trading in for someone like Mackenzie, Phillipou or even Busslinger.

I just think it's too much of a risk with Hewett.

Fingers crossed I'm wrong.

 

[stavro#4]

I'd have no issue if we were trading in for someone like Mackenzie, Phillipou or even Busslinger.

I just think it's too much of a risk with Hewett.

Fingers crossed I'm wrong.

Fair enough.

I see a lot of attributes I like with Hewett.

I have been in the boat of trading in for awhile and posted about it numerous times.

If Cmac is the pick, I probably won’t be as thrilled about doing it. But that’s more because I think Cmac becomes a good not great player - so it’s added risk.

If it’s Tsatas or Phillipou, I’d probably be really pumped as I feel like we have the chance of an absolute star in one of the picks if we take Hewett.

 

[bird_man]

Fair enough.

I see a lot of attributes I like with Hewett.

I have been in the boat of trading in for awhile and posted about it numerous times.

If Cmac is the pick, I probably won’t be as thrilled about doing it. But that’s more because I think Cmac becomes a good not great player - so it’s added risk.

If it’s Tsatas or Phillipou, I’d probably be really pumped as I feel like we have the chance of an absolute star in one of the picks if we take Hewett.

I'm not dead set against trading in, but not just for the sake of it.

Twomey along with a few others have him making it to the 2nd round.

I'd happily give up a couple of 2nds to move up the order to grab him but just don't rate him in that elite bracket.

It would be one of those decisions that we (as well as the rest of the footy world) would discuss for years.

 

[CursingFijian]

I really hope just for the lol melts tomorrow that it goes like this
At pick 10 CMAC and Phillipou are still available.
After 4 minutes the pick is in.....AND

BUSSLINGER is selected.

Peak St. Kilda.

Your PTSD is showing.

 

[stavro#4]

I'm not dead set against trading in, but not just for the sake of it.

Twomey along with a few others have him making it to the 2nd round.

I'd happily give up a couple of 2nds to move up the order to grab him but just don't rate him in that elite bracket.

It would be one of those decisions that we (as well as the rest of the footy world) would discuss for years.

I was listening to Twomeys draft show (last nights show) this morning.

Adrian Caruso from the giants was saying they are happy to trade one of their picks and not necessarily for a future first. Potentially multiple seconds.

So you never know

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Ekomaira]

Some more tidbits from WCE_phil, for those interested:

“Burgiel is a mid who can play forward primarily but he can play all over the ground. It's why i prefer him to a couple of others who are more forwards who can play mid etc. If he's there at our fourth pick i'd love him. Third pick if other options are off the table.”

“Just on Busslinger I dont have that as a concern. I actually think the future requires 1 genuine big lockdown key defender and then a couple of guys like Bazzo and Busslinger who can float, read the play as well as forwards (or in the Bus's case better than almost all forwards) and then intercept or bring the ball to ground. You then need 1 lockdown small on the ground and two run, kick and carry HBF's. Busslinger at 197 with the footskills and playreading of an elite HB is a huge tick from me. He as you know was my safety pick at 2. I also wouldn't write off his ability to play man on man yet either. From what is reported to me his shoulder affected pretty much his whole year. So to put in the performances he did before having to go off for surgery was a huge tick for me.”

“I think there will be the same level of talent at 12 as at 8, you just don't have your pick of it. By the way I see busslinger on talent above pick 8.”

“I'll give you a little bit of info. Clark doesn't particularly like the cats. Not to say that means they won't draft him but we'll see.”

“And his kicking even at speed can be pinpoint to a leading player or a player on the run. Mackenzie's only drawback so far is not quite high enough production otherwise he'd be rated in the top 3-5.”

“You can find the rumours but he changed school twice” (Hewett)

“I've been in on an interview with him (Hewett) and he does interview well. Whilst he said the right things when it came to questions about moving interstate his body language stiffened before answering.

Now I know almost no other club is going to have someone like me reading people like that but it's certainly a reason to slide.

He is an on field leader and comes across very composed both on field and in interviews.”

“Yes I do think clubs will be doing it more if they can find someone and fit it under the soft cap. They aren't going to get a full-time psychoanalyst with a football background to do the job. It would cost the same amount as the entire recruiting department discounting the head recruiter.

Of all the WA players interviewed he (Hewett) was the only one with negative triggers in this manner.

Im not going to mention names but a couple of SA players had similar ticks and or subconscious reactions.

Even interviewing Vic players we still ask the moving interstate question as it works as a good baseline for body language and how they respond to other questions.”

“I'll ask you a question Mop. If you were given the opportunity to draft Jared Polec in any year at pick 8, would you? Their junior games are so close it's hard to differentiate. Tsatas slightly quicker, Polec a better kick. Both outside but got a lot inside (mainly as first receiver) on the inside.

He is quick, he gets a lot of the ball but isn't damaging. His stats are like counting Ashcrofts possessions with all the 1-2's he gets.”

“I see him (Humphreys) as a slightly more dynamic SPP without as much midfield experience as a junior. Do not want.”

“Would happily draft Van Es late. But is a pure lockdown and spoil. Can be led around a bit but has been able to overcome that against his peer group with great speed. Has very poor skills. I don't think he lasts to the rookie draft and would only look at him there but only as an option if we don't think Edwards will make it.

Would likely need a few years of development so he is more proactive than reactive and to get more body on body as he will get caught out at AFL level. The problem with Key defenders without great skills now is you have to surround them by guys with elite skills. However he does have a couple of elite AFL characteristics in his speed and jump.”

“In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order and GWS almost certain to sell their pick 19 for an early second this year and a future second.

Not allowed to post much more than that at the moment.”

“Still don't rate Ginbey.

He has come a long way this year but is still reactive around the ball and in particular stoppages and I don't rate his kicking. In a lot of ways he is a spectacular athlete who is a man playing against boys and not putting up numbers representative of that.”

“Arrogance and confidence are great things if they come with leadership. If they can bring leadership to the team and instill that never say die attitude in years to come, absolutely.

I have seen many, many, many times juniors who are overly confident (having been told by everyone they are the best their whole lives) fall apart in the professional environment”

“Not at all. I said months ago the draft wasn't deep and pointed out key areas where it didn't have specific types of players in quantity and quality it normally would have.

Also almost all of the tall talent hasn't come on as expected.”

“No i'm back home in the SW for the next few weeks before heading back. Once the rookie draft is done i'm done with it as well i think. I don't want to move into a permanent role, I don't want to live in Melbourne and even for the head recruiter it's a love not money job. I'm certain almost all of the senior recruiters who have been at clubs a few years could make very good player agents and earn much, much more money.”

that's some great work mate! i think it will be very interesting to read this guy's comments again, after the fact, to see how accurate he is. he certainly sounds like he knows what he's talking about

 

[gringo2011]

I was listening to Twomeys draft show (last nights show) this morning.

Adrian Caruso from the giants was saying they are happy to trade one of their picks and not necessarily for a future first. Potentially multiple seconds.

So you never know

That 2022 second rounder could grab us Keeler who ends up the better player than Hewett and another Keeler type next year. You want to make sure you are getting on a very good horse to gamble such a lot.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[FrogDude]

Article says that we'd trade a future 2nd to get Hewett, presumably with one of our 2nds this year.
Much more palatable than a future 1st

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That 2022 second rounder could grab us Keeler who ends up the better player than Hewett and another Keeler type next year. You want to make sure you are getting on a very good horse to gamble such a lot.

I really hope we just play the cards we are dealt and don't try to do anything really clever.
Every time we try to prove how clever we are, we prove the opposite.

 

[stavro#4]

Article says that we'd trade a future 2nd to get Hewett, presumably with one of our 2nds this year.
Much more palatable than a future 1st

They will probably have both options on the table

 

[Spider Eater]

 

[bird_man]

I was listening to Twomeys draft show (last nights show) this morning.

Adrian Caruso from the giants was saying they are happy to trade one of their picks and not necessarily for a future first. Potentially multiple seconds.

So you never know

I'd be happy with that.

28 and F2 for 18 if he's still there.

 

[bird_man]

Article says that we'd trade a future 2nd to get Hewett, presumably with one of our 2nds this year.
Much more palatable than a future 1st

That makes a lot more sense

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

You’ll be doing poo during the Essendon/Hawthorn/Geelong picks

The sphincter will be very very tight.