List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yeah you can delist those that are contracted if you fulfill their contractual agreement in doing so. How many are actually out of contract?

Given our list profile, if we can’t afford to pay out some lesser contracts then Reid has ****ed it up

 

[Bearded Clam]

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Why would they need to ask him to stay?

He’s contracted. They can simply force him to stay if they really wanted him..

This sounds like the club desperately trying to make it sound like they want crouch to stay so as to keep his trade value up..

If they do the opposite and instead make it sound like they want to get him off the list, then his already low value becomes even worse and they might also be asked to pay part of his wage at his new club next year!..

 

[Peter Doherty]

This is where Reid falls down in my opinion.

I dont think he is as forward looking as he should be. Contracts signed in June can also be signed in September when you have a better idea of needs.

According to footywire AFL Out of Contract Players in 2022 we have the least uncontracted players . For a rebuilding side thats madness

We have 10 players whose contracts finish this year - average for clubs seems to be 14

Of our 10 only 3 have service of more than 4 years - Davis , Himmelberg and Walker (Frampton has 3)

They are looking to re-sign Walker and Davis and Himmelberg were added to this weeks squad.

The other 6 have 1 or 2 years on the list and you would think most will get more opportunities.

So who do we lose or trade?

( I do think Seedsman will be paid outside the list )

Got to remember the culture problems we have had. I'm sure the fact almost everyone has signed to stay on is actually seen as a positive inside the club, a tick for Reid.

Unfortunately it's a case of paying for the sins of our past.

Fully expecting Worrell to leave, which does open up a contracted list spot.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Why would they need to ask him to stay?

He’s contracted. They can simply force him to stay if they really wanted him..

This sounds like the club desperately trying to make it sound like they want crouch to stay so as to keep his trade value up..

If they do the opposite and instead make it sound like they want to get him off the list, then his already low value becomes even worse and they might also be asked to pay part of his wage at his new club next year!..

It's an interesting one, no one is happy about us playing Matt but in the past we have completely driven down players prices by not playing them. Will it actually make any difference though?

No club wanted him when he was a free agent, I'm not very optimistic.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's an interesting one, no one is happy about us playing Matt but in the past we have completely driven down players prices by not playing them. Will it actually make any difference though?

No club wanted him when he was a free agent, I'm not very optimistic.

They have two options..

1)they play him in the AFL side for the rest of the year or
2) they leave him in the SANFL for the remainder of the year.

In the SANFL its clear he’s gonna dominate… he’s gonna get 40 possessions and a couple of goals a game which will see him BOG most weeks.

At the AFL level, if this years mcrouch form at that level is anything to go by, he’s gonna look slow, allow his opponents to easily run off him, handball his team mates into the shit, barely ever trouble the scoreboard attendants, get caught holding the ball regularly and basically do absolutely nothing damaging with the pill in hand.

Which one sounds more valuable?.

I’d be keeping him in the SANFL… at least there some other club might be fooled into thinking he’s a gun that is just “on the outer” at his current club.. instead of them seeing him play garbage football at AFL level and having it confirmed that he aint no gun!

 

[CrowFrenzy]

Why would they need to ask him to stay?

He’s contracted. They can simply force him to stay if they really wanted him..

This sounds like the club desperately trying to make it sound like they want crouch to stay so as to keep his trade value up..

If they do the opposite and instead make it sound like they want to get him off the list, then his already low value becomes even worse and they might also be asked to pay part of his wage at his new club next year!..

I think you give them too much credit. I have a feeling they have no idea what they are doing week by week.

 

[Peter Doherty]

They have two options..

1)they play him in the AFL side for the rest of the year or
2) they leave him in the SANFL for the remainder of the year.

In the SANFL its clear he’s gonna dominate… he’s gonna get 40 possessions and a couple of goals a game which will see him BOG most weeks.

At the AFL level, if this years mcrouch form at that level is anything to go by, he’s gonna look slow, allow his opponents to easily run off him, handball his team mates into the s**t, barely ever trouble the scoreboard attendants, get caught holding the ball regularly and basically do absolutely nothing damaging with the pill in hand.

Which one sounds more valuable?.

I’d be keeping him in the SANFL… at least there some other club might be fooled into thinking he’s a gun that is just “on the outer” at his current club.. instead of them seeing him play garbage football at AFL level and having it confirmed that he aint no gun!

Yeah, as I say, I get the idea behind playing him, I'm just not sure it's actually going to help.

 

[Dangerousfield]

If that's the reasoning, we really are run by a bunch of absolute morons.

Fairly close to fact I'd say. How we end up with so few players OOC this year despite the mediocrity of our list is just poor list management.

But then we're accustomed to that being the norm at the AFC

I posted in the Hawthorn match day thread that with so much top end SA talent in this years draft, we really need to strike hard now and the two picks we have in the ND aren't going to get the job done. We need to get creative and convert 2023 picks into useful picks for this year, including trading our 2023 first into this year.

 

[Dangerousfield]

They have two options..

1)they play him in the AFL side for the rest of the year or
2) they leave him in the SANFL for the remainder of the year.

In the SANFL its clear he’s gonna dominate… he’s gonna get 40 possessions and a couple of goals a game which will see him BOG most weeks.

At the AFL level, if this years mcrouch form at that level is anything to go by, he’s gonna look slow, allow his opponents to easily run off him, handball his team mates into the s**t, barely ever trouble the scoreboard attendants, get caught holding the ball regularly and basically do absolutely nothing damaging with the pill in hand.

Which one sounds more valuable?.

I’d be keeping him in the SANFL… at least there some other club might be fooled into thinking he’s a gun that is just “on the outer” at his current club.. instead of them seeing him play garbage football at AFL level and having it confirmed that he aint no gun!

Other than Norf and St.Kilda, no other clubs are that stupid!

The fact there was zero interest in Crouch last trade period means his papers were already stamped by other teams. That's why his manager agreed to a reduced two year here, no one else wanted his style of high possession, low damage football.

 

[Mutineer]

Fairly close to fact I'd say. How we end up with so few players OOC this year despite the mediocrity of our list is just poor list management.

But then we're accustomed to that being the norm at the AFC

I posted in the Hawthorn match day thread that with so much top end SA talent in this years draft, we really need to strike hard now and the two picks we have in the ND aren't going to get the job done. We need to get creative and convert 2023 picks into useful picks for this year, including trading our 2023 first into this year.

Might be a good idea to wait and see how the SA lads match up against Vic Metro and WA before we get too carried away with the SA talent order in this draft given Vic Country have beaten both SA and the Allies who beat us.

 

[Mutineer]

Other than Norf and St.Kilda, no other clubs are that stupid!

The fact there was zero interest in Crouch last trade period means his papers were already stamped by other teams. That's why his manager agreed to a reduced two year here, no one else wanted his style of high possession, low damage football.

Having not played for 12 months would have been the biggest factor for other AFL clubs more than any other factor.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Having not played for 12 months would have been the biggest factor for other AFL clubs more than any other factor.

Agreed, although I doubt there's many suitors and certainly no one giving us a decent pick for him.

Norf may be interested, he would add a senior body to go with their young midfield. They only have the No.1 pick this year, then a pick around 55.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Having not played for 12 months would have been the biggest factor for other AFL clubs more than any other factor.

Now the question marks are just whether he can football, not sure if that really is a positive, but I'll take it!

Being fit again is a positive. We'd be hoping also that there is some other club out there who didn't have the list spot/midfield mix suitable when he was FA but now do.

We could get lucky.

 

[1970crow]

Whatever gets ROB the * out of dodge asap is a win.

ROB just needs to be challenged to elevate his average closer to Cats game rather than settle at the level that had him dropped after a couple of months. And the only lever that can be pulled is at selection. But for the continuity imperitave, he'd be a better performer.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Carmichael's stats vs Richmond VFL last week 25 Disposals 18 kicks 7 handballs 4 tackles 5 marks 0.3 taken from the VFL app (3rd VFL game)

Turner's stats vs Glenelg SANFL 24 Disposals 12 Kicks 12 Handballs 1 mark 1 tacle 3 clearances 5 i50's 2 r50's 1.0. (1st SANFL game for the Crows)

Do you have a comparison of their weekends games, one being in the AFL and the other the SANFL?

 

[BigSchlong9]

Give Rankine and Dunkley as much money as they want and get a couple of duds of the list

 

[Peter Doherty]

With Hawthorn and Essendon both winning today, pick 3 is still a chance!

 

[CrowToon]

Crows definitely need to throw some cash at experience. It's not doing anyone any favours being this bad.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Give Rankine and Dunkley as much money as they want and get a couple of duds of the list

Trade our first pick. Hamish isn't to be trusted with it after the Jones, Mchenry, Galluci, Mcasey busts.

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[latinoheat]

Contracted until end of 2022
Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

Elliot Himmelberg
Mitch Hinge
James Rowe
Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

35

Ht

192cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

James Borlase (R)
Tariek Newchurch (R)
Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

(R)


So if the recent talk is correct Crouch will be a departure

Out:
Crouch
One of Berg/Frampton
Davis(R)
Rowe??

 

[GreyCrow]

Contracted until end of 2022
Billy Frampton
Elliot Himmelberg
Mitch Hinge
James Rowe
Taylor Walker
James Borlase (R)
Tariek Newchurch (R)
Ben Davis (R)


So if the recent talk is correct Crouch will be a departure

Out:
Crouch
One of Berg/Frampton
Davis(R)
Rowe??

What happens with Seedsman?

Is he kept on the list and on the LTI for 2023 or can we negotiate a payout for him and a list spot with the AFL?

 

[latinoheat]

What happens with Seedsman?

Is he kept on the list and on the LTI for 2023 or can we negotiate a payout for him and a list spot with the AFL?

Good point, forgot about the seed. I think we will negotiate a settlement, or place him on the rookie list like we’ve done with other injured players in the past

 

[70lethal]

Fairly close to fact I'd say. How we end up with so few players OOC this year despite the mediocrity of our list is just poor list management.

But then we're accustomed to that being the norm at the AFC

I posted in the Hawthorn match day thread that with so much top end SA talent in this years draft, we really need to strike hard now and the two picks we have in the ND aren't going to get the job done. We need to get creative and convert 2023 picks into useful picks for this year, including trading our 2023 first into this year.

Our 2023 1st is likely to be pick 2.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Our 2023 1st is likely to be pick 2.

We’ll be bad, but there’s no way we’ll be worse than North or WCE next year. They’re on another level of poor performance

 

[Scorpus]

We’ll be bad, but there’s no way we’ll be worse than North or WCE next year. They’re on another level of poor performance

North will have a new coach that probably will be able to coach this time