List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1970crow]

It looks like there is going to be some huge trade moves this off season.

Franklin
Dusty
Half of GWS
Lobb
JHF
Rankine
edit Dunkley

It should be very interesting.

Is Lobb ever not on that list?

 

[dogs105]

Is Lobb ever not on that list?

Is "half of GWS"?

 

[NSolis]

Then Match bid on Keeler.
Add a KPD and ruck with late picks/rookie draft.

These playstation trades are easy. I don't know why you lot get worked up over it

Can't bid match on Keeler unless he goes 41+. Seems unlikely!

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

You reckon Port won't pounce on Philippou before us if we get pick 8 (assuming they still have their current pick 7)?

I'm struggling to see how we can end up with Rankine this year and JHF next year, we just don't have the draft capital or players to trade to get that capital.

Ideally I want to get Rankine and Philippou this year (that will take some creative trading itself) and JHF next year, I just don't know how that can be achieved.

Trade 2023 first GC for Rankine (plus something back)
Pick 4 on Philipou

In 12 months time trade 2024 first plus a player (Keays ) JHF
Alternatively, turn and early second into teens pick, and trade that .

 

[LoBu]

My understanding is that the Crows can trade two 1st round picks, but must use two 1sts in a rolling 4 year period.

I think.

Unless you are Geelong, yes those are the rules.

It would seem that trading 1 for Rankine and 2 for JHF in 3 years would be fair grounds for an exemption.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Trade 2023 first GC for Rankine (plus something back)
Pick 4 on Philipou

In 12 months time trade 2024 first plus a player (Keays ) JHF
Alternatively, turn and early second into teens pick, and trade that .

Sounds good in theory but the club's involved want immediate payment for loss of player. We will need to trade out some quality to bring in better quality.

 

[Soggy2112]

So

Sounds good in theory but the club's involved want immediate payment for loss of player. We are going to need to trade out some quality to bring in better quality.

Not true, clubs always posture and say they want “established players” but it’s extremely rare that happens. If these deals get done they’ll get done for picks.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Not true, clubs always posture and say they want “established players” but it’s extremely rare that happens. If these deals get done they’ll get done for picks.

Is our 2023 1st overpaying for Rankine? I think it is. I think Rankine is worthy of pick 15-20 which is what we paid for Dawson. I see Dawson and Rankine as similar quality and if anything Dawson is the better player. I would look at ways of getting our hands on a pick around 15-20. That may involve trading a player if they want to leave. I would keep our 2023 1st for Horne when OOC.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I wouldn't begin to rate Rankine as a worthy top 10 pick at all.

 

[Soggy2112]

Is our 2023 1st overpaying for Rankine? I think it is. I think Rankine is worthy of pick 15-20 which is what we paid for Dawson. I would look at ways of getting our hands on such a pick. That may involve trading a player if they want to leave. I would keep our 2023 1st for Horne when OOC.

That’s the key part, and it’s extremely rare.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Yep, you're right. Someone mentioned the other day that this was equivalent to pick 13, and I believed it without checking.

After Ashcroft, Pick 5 to pick 9 is 419 points so the equivilent of pick 41

 

[Dangerousfield]

Surely Buddy isn't heading to the Lions?

Gold Coast where he's just bought an apartment as reported in today's Courier Mail. GC have $650k loose from Rankine to use on him.

 

[1970crow]

Is our 2023 1st overpaying for Rankine? I think it is. I think Rankine is worthy of pick 15-20 which is what we paid for Dawson. I see Dawson and Rankine as similar quality and if anything Dawson is the better player. I would look at ways of getting our hands on a pick around 15-20. That may involve trading a player if they want to leave. I would keep our 2023 1st for Horne when OOC.

I’d trade anyone over 25 to get what’s required to get Brisbane’s first to use as the bulk of what’s required for Rankine. Not a single player would be off the table. But I wouldn’t trade both Laird and Keays. Any other multi is ok though.

 

[LeftyLuke]

I’d trade anyone over 25 to get what’s required to get Brisbane’s first to use as the bulk of what’s required for Rankine. Not a single player would be off the table. But I wouldn’t trade both Laird and Keays. Any other multi is ok though.

I wouldn't trade Laird but Keays has very good value at present and I don't feel he is critical to our next flag.

 

[GROTTO]

Gold Coast where he's just bought an apartment as reported in today's Courier Mail. GC have $650k loose from Rankine to use on him.

King will need time to recover from his ACL and there is also the chance he may not become the player that he was destined to be.

At least with Buddy they know what they are getting.

It would be a win for the Suns to be able to replace Rankine with Buddy in variety of areas both on and off the ground.

 

[1970crow]

I wouldn't trade Laird but Keays has very good value at present and I don't feel he is critical to our next flag.

Laird could potentially get us closer to JHF capital as well. I’d then just put Keays back into the guts and probably keep Crouch as a backup mid that we could plug in if needed. I don’t think we’re in a position to knock back good offers for 25+ year olds if it gets us future guns.

 

[Soggy2112]

I’d trade anyone over 25 to get what’s required to get Brisbane’s first to use as the bulk of what’s required for Rankine. Not a single player would be off the table. But I wouldn’t trade both Laird and Keays. Any other multi is ok though.

Who are our over 25 players that Brisbane would trade a first round pick for, that want to go to Brisbane?

Laird could potentially get us closer to JHF capital as well. I’d then just put Keays back into the guts and probably keep Crouch as a backup mid that we could plug in if needed. I don’t think we’re in a position to knock back good offers for 25+ year olds if it gets us future guns.

What evidence is there to suggest Laird wants to leave?

He has a massive contract that Brisbane might not be keen to take on. At the moment he’s got the number one midfielder role. Brisbane have Neale, Lyons, Bailey, Rayner etc. Laird is South Australian.

 

[DJ75]

Can't bid match on Keeler unless he goes 41+. Seems unlikely!

I'm hoping he might slide. A lot.
Any rumours of off field issues??

 

[DJ75]

Laird could potentially get us closer to JHF capital as well. I’d then just put Keays back into the guts and probably keep Crouch as a backup mid that we could plug in if needed. I don’t think we’re in a position to knock back good offers for 25+ year olds if it gets us future guns.

You want to trade Laird, move Keays back in the middle and keep Crouch???????

 

[Scorpus]

I'm hoping he might slide. A lot.
Any rumours of off field issues??

Let's start some rumors!

 

[Crow till I die]

Let's start some rumors!

he wants to take up cricket full time if not picked by the Adelaide Crows in the draft...that should do it

 

[Golumless]

If Keays gets offered a nice long term deal by GC I could very much see him wanting to take it up if he wants to get back to Qld. I think GC would be very interested in Ben. Doedee would be harder to trade but a Victorian team could target him with an offer he can't refuse.

Considering our list composition, the chances of us even considering to trade a contracted Keays or Doedee are 0.

We need more experienced and quality 70-120 gamers, seeing it's a massive weakness in our list (and why we're currently bottom 4), not less.

 

[DJ75]

I can't see there being anyway we trade Keays. As a club I just can't see it happening. I wouldn't be against it though.

Got to be a better idea than Kornes' thinking that a Rankine trade will need Thilthorpe, or Fog + Rachele.

I don't know what that flog smokes, but holy hell it must be strong.

 

[1970crow]

Who are our over 25 players that Brisbane would trade a first round pick for, that want to go to Brisbane?

What evidence is there to suggest Laird wants to leave?

He has a massive contract that Brisbane might not be keen to take on. At the moment he’s got the number one midfielder role. Brisbane have Neale, Lyons, Bailey, Rayner etc. Laird is South Australian.

They don’t need to be traded to Brisbane, just picks that get us their first as they’re after points.

No evidence, but if somebody enquired with a good offer to him and us, I’d not try to convince him to stay. Unless we’d already traded Keays out.

Why the infatuation with trading players to Brisbane, there’s 16 other clubs in the league that also have draft picks and employ players.

 

[Crow till I die]

I can't see there being anyway we trade Keays. As a club I just can't see it happening. I wouldn't be against it though.

Got to be a better idea than Kornes' thinking that a Rankine trade will need Thilthorpe, or Fog + Rachele.

I don't know what that flog smokes, but holy hell it must be strong.

be like the muppet cornes suggesting if Rankine wanted port, they trade Butters and Rozee....oh hang on, they might