List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[GROTTO]

Apparently in our entire history we've only recruited 5 players that had previously played in a Premiership.

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Is this something we may need to look at in the future?

Remove the Fitztroy and South Melbourne element out of the Lions and Sydney and I suspect it will be all non Vic Clubs will be similar to us.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Apparently in our entire history we've only recruited 5 players that had previously played in a Premiership.

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Is this something we may need to look at in the future?

Ironic list

 

[ams4crows]

Darren Jarman, Wayne Carey are two that stand out... Was Troy Bond at Carlton in 95? Was he dropped for the GF? Who are the other ones?

 

[bickley26]

Not sure about anyone else but I'm feeling like something big is brewing...

 

[Danger in Texas]

Darren Jarman, Wayne Carey are two that stand out... Was Troy Bond at Carlton in 95? Was he dropped for the GF? Who are the other ones?

Welsh?

 

[Thetrader15]

Not sure about anyone else but I'm feeling like something big is brewing...

Nope...unless you have something for us...

 

[Thetrader15]

Mark Stevens?

Welsh?

 

[ams4crows]

Not sure about anyone else but I'm feeling like something big is brewing...

You have a big dinner or something?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Mark Stevens?

Doesn't look like he played in 96

Podsiadly another one

 

[ams4crows]

Doesn't look like he played in 96

Podsiadly another one

So Jarman, Carey, Welsh, Podsiadly.... One left, a foundation player perhaps? In 91 with a Premiership in the 80's

 

[Danger in Texas]

So Jarman, Carey, Welsh, Podsiadly.... One left

Going back well before my time ahaha, but Tony Hall I think

 

[NTRabbit]

That 2017 list of ours was a disaster

How many premierships did it win?

How many more finals did it play?

What happened to it afterwards?

 

[Samcro24]

Apparently in our entire history we've only recruited 5 players that had previously played in a Premiership.

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Is this something we may need to look at in the future?

Worked well for st kilda

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

So Jarman, Carey, Welsh, Podsiadly.... One left, a foundation player perhaps? In 91 with a Premiership in the 80's

Tony Hall.

 

[George CantStandYa]

That 2017 list of ours was a disaster

Did our wooden spoon and missing the 8 for 5 years running happen with good list management?

 

[FR0GGY]

Posturing, a team 9/10 times will take unders instead of letting them walk for nothing.

Which makes our first up high offers silly.

 

[FR0GGY]

I wouldn't mind us having a conversation with GWS about Whitfield. Future 2nd rd pick and we take all his salary.

Apparently a million a year for 6 or 7 years?

 

[George CantStandYa]

How many premierships did it win?

How many more finals did it play?

What happened to it afterwards?

A fair chunk of our 2017 team were drafted pre 2012. Since then we’ve had draft sanctions, players leaving, some shitty contracts, some shitty trades, paying players to play elsewhere and a C grade midfield.

 

[FR0GGY]

Apparently in our entire history we've only recruited 5 players that had previously played in a Premiership.

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Is this something we may need to look at in the future?

No, look at the position of hawthorn, geelong, west coast vs st kilda and Melbourne
Brisbane and Richmond the exceptions not sure if their recruits were prior to their recent successful periods.

 

[Thetrader15]

Apparently a million a year for 6 or 7 years?

gulp well, they might need to add pick 7 to that trade

 

[NTRabbit]

A fair chunk of our 2017 team were drafted pre 2012. Since then we’ve had draft sanctions, players leaving, some shitty contracts, some shitty trades, paying players to play elsewhere and a C grade midfield.

Exactly. The heavy lifting in 2017 was done by older players who went as far as they were able to go, and by and large they all fell off precipitously in the next few years, while practically none of the players drafted from 2011 onwards came on. Yet both sets continued to receive unwarranted and excessive contracts, while a handful of discards went on to make more of themselves than the ones we decided to keep. And that's before even getting into the types of players we have overlooked in favour of drafting niche positions, the club bafflingly unaware you can't patch enough holes in a net to turn it into a tarp.

Woeful list mismanagement.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Darren Jarman, Wayne Carey are two that stand out... Was Troy Bond at Carlton in 95? Was he dropped for the GF? Who are the other ones?

Imagine a club trading for chad rintoul and Aaron Keating because they played in a premiership

Don’t reckon it has any meaning on its own re targeting players

Target players on premiership lists or other good sides lists that have upside and lack opportunities but not solely because they played in a premiership

 

[Gtowncrow]

Darren Jarman, Wayne Carey are two that stand out... Was Troy Bond at Carlton in 95? Was he dropped for the GF? Who are the other ones?

Yep. Troy Bond dropped from the Carlton premiership side. Very unlucky.
I remember being very happy for him when he won it with us.
Kicked 4 goals from memory.

 

[Caputo]

One of Richmond's was Kane Johnson

 

[crow2crow]

Exactly. The heavy lifting in 2017 was done by older players who went as far as they were able to go, and by and large they all fell off precipitously in the next few years, while practically none of the players drafted from 2011 onwards came on. Yet both sets continued to receive unwarranted and excessive contracts, while a handful of discards went on to make more of themselves than the ones we decided to keep. And that's before even getting into the types of players we have overlooked in favour of drafting niche positions, the club bafflingly unaware you can't patch enough holes in a net to turn it into a tarp.

Woeful list mismanagement.

disagree.
they were mid 20s - prime

smith 25 - injured before GF
sloane 26
tex 26
cameron - 5 goals in PF - 23

what are you talking about?

jacobs and betts late 20s but come on.

two issues that day
1. we had hardly played at mcg as soon as the going got tough we went into our shell
2. there were zero positional changes when momentum turned
3. nobody was prepared to do the physical required in a GF to win - specifically on riewoldt, cotchin - or to even take out 3 gamer graham tagging sloane